Southernhybrid's Contradictions

[DLH]

Two thousand years is a long wait for pizza ordered to go.

Well, true, but we have the bread sticks and wine until then.

 

[DBT]

Again, if fulfilling the law abolishes the law, 'think not that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets' is a lie.

It can't be both.

It isn't both, it's fulfilled and so complete. Ended. Not abolished or destroyed. Paid.

That makes no sense. You can't resolve the contradiction by simply rewording the claim.

Christians claim that Jesus fulfilled Messianic prophesy (Judaism disagrees), thereby the law no longer applies, but this still contradicts 'think not that I have come to abolish the law.'

He didn't come to abolish the law, he came to fulfill it, and Judaism is an apostate religion formed after the destruction of the temple in Jerusalem in 70 CE. So, they can't have documentation of any Messiah after that. The records or the chronologies were destroyed. So, who is their Messiah?

Judaism rejects Jesus for good reason.

The Messiah has yet to arrive.

Jesus does not meet the definition of the promised Messiah or Saviour as described in the 'Old Testament' - the very body of works that Jesus was referring to when he said 'think not that I have come...''

 

[DLH]

Judaism rejects Jesus for good reason.

Okay. And you reject Judaism for good reason, I reject atheism for good reason.

The Messiah has yet to arrive.

I think much of Judaism has abandoned the possibility, haven't they? Like I said earlier the Jews had legal documentation to establish the possible lineage in which the Messiah could be identified. That Jesus fit the criteria is self-evident by the Jewish leaders of his day not challenging that. Since the temple with that documentation was destroyed by the Romans in 70 CE no one could legally indentify as the Messiah.

Jesus does not meet the definition of the promised Messiah or Saviour as described in the 'Old Testament' - the very body of works that Jesus was referring to when he said 'think not that I have come...''

Prophecy	Found at	Fulfillment
Offspring of Abraham	Genesis 22:17, 18	Matthew 1:1
Descendant of Abraham’s son Isaac	Genesis 17:19	Matthew 1:2
Born of the Israelite tribe of Judah	Genesis 49:10	Matthew 1:1, 3
From the royal line of King David	Isaiah 9:7	Matthew 1:1
Born of a virgin	Isaiah 7:14	Matthew 1:18, 22, 23
Born in Bethlehem	Micah 5:2	Matthew 2:1, 5, 6
Called by the name Immanuel b​	Isaiah 7:14	Matthew 1:21-23
Humble beginning	Isaiah 53:2	Luke 2:7
Young children killed after his birth	Jeremiah 31:15	Matthew 2:16-18
Called out of Egypt	Hosea 11:1	Matthew 2:13-15
Called a Nazarene c​	Isaiah 11:1	Matthew 2:23
Preceded by a messenger	Malachi 3:1	Matthew 11:7-10
Anointed as Messiah in 29 C.E. d​	Daniel 9:25	Matthew 3:13-17
Acknowledged by God as His Son	Psalm 2:7	Acts 13:33, 34
Zealous for God’s house	Psalm 69:9	John 2:13-17
Proclaimer of good news	Isaiah 61:1	Luke 4:16-21
Public ministry in Galilee a great light	Isaiah 9:1, 2	Matthew 4:13-16
A miracle worker like Moses	Deuteronomy 18:15	Acts 2:22
Like Moses, he spoke God’s thoughts	Deuteronomy 18:18, 19	John 12:49
Cured sicknesses of many	Isaiah 53:4	Matthew 8:16, 17
Did not draw attention to himself	Isaiah 42:2	Matthew 12:17, 19
Showed compassion for the afflicted	Isaiah 42:3	Matthew 12:9-20; Mark 6:34
Revealed God’s justice	Isaiah 42:1, 4	Matthew 12:17-20
A Wonderful Counselor	Isaiah 9:6, 7	John 6:68
Declared Jehovah’s name	Psalm 22:22	John 17:6
Spoke in illustrations	Psalm 78:2	Matthew 13:34, 35
A Leader	Daniel 9:25	Matthew 23:10
Many did not believe in him	Isaiah 53:1	John 12:37, 38
Stone of stumbling	Isaiah 8:14, 15	Matthew 21:42-44
Rejected by humans	Psalm 118:22, 23	Acts 4:10, 11
Hated without cause	Psalm 69:4	John 15:24, 25
Triumphal entry into Jerusalem on a donkey	Zechariah 9:9	Matthew 21:4-9
Praised by children	Psalm 8:2	Matthew 21:15, 16
Came in Jehovah’s name	Psalm 118:26	John 12:12, 13
Betrayed by a trusted associate	Psalm 41:9	John 13:18
Betrayed for 30 pieces of silver e​	Zechariah 11:12, 13	Matthew 26:14-16; 27:3-10
Friends abandoned him	Zechariah 13:7	Matthew 26:31, 56
False witnesses testified against him	Psalm 35:11	Matthew 26:59-61
Silent before accusers	Isaiah 53:7	Matthew 27:12-14
Spat upon	Isaiah 50:6	Matthew 26:67; 27:27, 30
Struck on the head	Micah 5:1	Mark 15:19
Flogged	Isaiah 50:6	John 19:1
Did not resist those who struck him	Isaiah 50:6	John 18:22, 23
Government leaders conspired against him	Psalm 2:2	Luke 23:10-12
Nailed to a stake through his hands and feet	Psalm 22:16	Matthew 27:35; John 20:25
People cast lots (gambled) for his clothing	Psalm 22:18	John 19:23, 24
Counted in with sinners	Isaiah 53:12	Matthew 27:38
Reviled, insulted	Psalm 22:7, 8	Matthew 27:39-43
Suffered for sinners	Isaiah 53:5, 6	1 Peter 2:23-25
Seemed forsaken by God	Psalm 22:1	Mark 15:34
Given vinegar and gall to drink	Psalm 69:21	Matthew 27:34
Thirsty just before death	Psalm 22:15	John 19:28, 29
Entrusted spirit to God	Psalm 31:5	Luke 23:46
Gave up his life	Isaiah 53:12	Mark 15:37
Provided the ransom to remove sin	Isaiah 53:12	Matthew 20:28
Bones not broken	Psalm 34:20	John 19:31-33, 36
Pierced	Zechariah 12:10	John 19:33-35, 37
Buried with the rich	Isaiah 53:9	Matthew 27:57-60
Raised from the dead	Psalm 16:10	Acts 2:29-31
Betrayer replaced	Psalm 109:8	Acts 1:15-20
Seated at God’s right hand	Psalm 110:1	Acts 2:34-36

(Source; Watchtower Library)

 

[Politesse]

Judaism rejects Jesus for good reason.

Okay. And you reject Judaism for good reason, I reject atheism for good reason.

The Messiah has yet to arrive.

I think much of Judaism has abandoned the possibility, haven't they? Like I said earlier the Jews had legal documentation to establish the possible lineage in which the Messiah could be identified. That Jesus fit the criteria is self-evident by the Jewish leaders of his day not challenging that. Since the temple with that documentation was destroyed by the Romans in 70 CE no one could legally indentify as the Messiah.

Jesus does not meet the definition of the promised Messiah or Saviour as described in the 'Old Testament' - the very body of works that Jesus was referring to when he said 'think not that I have come...''

Prophecy	Found at	Fulfillment
Offspring of Abraham	Genesis 22:17, 18	Matthew 1:1
Descendant of Abraham’s son Isaac	Genesis 17:19	Matthew 1:2
Born of the Israelite tribe of Judah	Genesis 49:10	Matthew 1:1, 3
From the royal line of King David	Isaiah 9:7	Matthew 1:1
Born of a virgin	Isaiah 7:14	Matthew 1:18, 22, 23
Born in Bethlehem	Micah 5:2	Matthew 2:1, 5, 6
Called by the name Immanuel b​	Isaiah 7:14	Matthew 1:21-23
Humble beginning	Isaiah 53:2	Luke 2:7
Young children killed after his birth	Jeremiah 31:15	Matthew 2:16-18
Called out of Egypt	Hosea 11:1	Matthew 2:13-15
Called a Nazarene c​	Isaiah 11:1	Matthew 2:23
Preceded by a messenger	Malachi 3:1	Matthew 11:7-10
Anointed as Messiah in 29 C.E. d​	Daniel 9:25	Matthew 3:13-17
Acknowledged by God as His Son	Psalm 2:7	Acts 13:33, 34
Zealous for God’s house	Psalm 69:9	John 2:13-17
Proclaimer of good news	Isaiah 61:1	Luke 4:16-21
Public ministry in Galilee a great light	Isaiah 9:1, 2	Matthew 4:13-16
A miracle worker like Moses	Deuteronomy 18:15	Acts 2:22
Like Moses, he spoke God’s thoughts	Deuteronomy 18:18, 19	John 12:49
Cured sicknesses of many	Isaiah 53:4	Matthew 8:16, 17
Did not draw attention to himself	Isaiah 42:2	Matthew 12:17, 19
Showed compassion for the afflicted	Isaiah 42:3	Matthew 12:9-20; Mark 6:34
Revealed God’s justice	Isaiah 42:1, 4	Matthew 12:17-20
A Wonderful Counselor	Isaiah 9:6, 7	John 6:68
Declared Jehovah’s name	Psalm 22:22	John 17:6
Spoke in illustrations	Psalm 78:2	Matthew 13:34, 35
A Leader	Daniel 9:25	Matthew 23:10
Many did not believe in him	Isaiah 53:1	John 12:37, 38
Stone of stumbling	Isaiah 8:14, 15	Matthew 21:42-44
Rejected by humans	Psalm 118:22, 23	Acts 4:10, 11
Hated without cause	Psalm 69:4	John 15:24, 25
Triumphal entry into Jerusalem on a donkey	Zechariah 9:9	Matthew 21:4-9
Praised by children	Psalm 8:2	Matthew 21:15, 16
Came in Jehovah’s name	Psalm 118:26	John 12:12, 13
Betrayed by a trusted associate	Psalm 41:9	John 13:18
Betrayed for 30 pieces of silver e​	Zechariah 11:12, 13	Matthew 26:14-16; 27:3-10
Friends abandoned him	Zechariah 13:7	Matthew 26:31, 56
False witnesses testified against him	Psalm 35:11	Matthew 26:59-61
Silent before accusers	Isaiah 53:7	Matthew 27:12-14
Spat upon	Isaiah 50:6	Matthew 26:67; 27:27, 30
Struck on the head	Micah 5:1	Mark 15:19
Flogged	Isaiah 50:6	John 19:1
Did not resist those who struck him	Isaiah 50:6	John 18:22, 23
Government leaders conspired against him	Psalm 2:2	Luke 23:10-12
Nailed to a stake through his hands and feet	Psalm 22:16	Matthew 27:35; John 20:25
People cast lots (gambled) for his clothing	Psalm 22:18	John 19:23, 24
Counted in with sinners	Isaiah 53:12	Matthew 27:38
Reviled, insulted	Psalm 22:7, 8	Matthew 27:39-43
Suffered for sinners	Isaiah 53:5, 6	1 Peter 2:23-25
Seemed forsaken by God	Psalm 22:1	Mark 15:34
Given vinegar and gall to drink	Psalm 69:21	Matthew 27:34
Thirsty just before death	Psalm 22:15	John 19:28, 29
Entrusted spirit to God	Psalm 31:5	Luke 23:46
Gave up his life	Isaiah 53:12	Mark 15:37
Provided the ransom to remove sin	Isaiah 53:12	Matthew 20:28
Bones not broken	Psalm 34:20	John 19:31-33, 36
Pierced	Zechariah 12:10	John 19:33-35, 37
Buried with the rich	Isaiah 53:9	Matthew 27:57-60
Raised from the dead	Psalm 16:10	Acts 2:29-31
Betrayer replaced	Psalm 109:8	Acts 1:15-20
Seated at God’s right hand	Psalm 110:1	Acts 2:34-36

(Source; Watchtower Library)

God forgot to send the dogs, lions, and bulls that were supposed to nip at him, in that prophecy. Does that mean we aren't saved after all? Or is it that one of those things Jesus will have to tidy up when he "comes again" in "fulfillment of prophecy"? Like yeah he'll crush every nation under his heel but first he needs to stop and let his enemies capture him a for a bit so they can torture him with some random animals that Matthew forgot about.

"Save me* from the sword, My precious life* from the paws* of dogs; Save me from the mouth of the lion+ and the horns of wild bulls"

 

[DLH]

God forgot to send the dogs, lions, and bulls that were supposed to nip at him, in that prophecy. Does that mean we aren't saved after all? Or is it that one of those things Jesus will have to tidy up when he "comes again" in "fulfillment of prophecy"? Like yeah he'll crush every nation under his heel but first he needs to stop and let his enemies capture him a for a bit so they can torture him with some random animals that Matthew forgot about.

"Save me* from the sword, My precious life* from the paws* of dogs; Save me from the mouth of the lion+ and the horns of wild bulls"

I have no idea what specifically you're talking about. Psalm 22:20-22 is what you're referring to; it's listed above as Declaration of Jehovah's name and fulfilled at John 17:6. I've worked that much out with my feeblemindedness, but well, I don't get it sir. Either you are referencing some subtle doctrinal nuance I'm unaware of or you're suggesting Jesus was spared . . . [laughs] never mind, I got it.

It sucks getting old, you know?

You are taking the sword, dogs, lions and bulls as literal or suggesting he wasn't spared those; well now it makes no sense to me again. God wasn't supposed to send those, he was supposed to ward them off, which, obviously either he had done or it turned out not to be called for.

My brain hurts. Maybe you made a very subtle joke which transcended my vacant orb?

 

[ideologyhunter]

Judaism rejects Jesus for good reason.

Okay. And you reject Judaism for good reason, I reject atheism for good reason.

The Messiah has yet to arrive.

I think much of Judaism has abandoned the possibility, haven't they? Like I said earlier the Jews had legal documentation to establish the possible lineage in which the Messiah could be identified. That Jesus fit the criteria is self-evident by the Jewish leaders of his day not challenging that. Since the temple with that documentation was destroyed by the Romans in 70 CE no one could legally indentify as the Messiah.

Jesus does not meet the definition of the promised Messiah or Saviour as described in the 'Old Testament' - the very body of works that Jesus was referring to when he said 'think not that I have come...''

Prophecy	Found at	Fulfillment
Offspring of Abraham	Genesis 22:17, 18	Matthew 1:1
Descendant of Abraham’s son Isaac	Genesis 17:19	Matthew 1:2
Born of the Israelite tribe of Judah	Genesis 49:10	Matthew 1:1, 3
From the royal line of King David	Isaiah 9:7	Matthew 1:1
Born of a virgin	Isaiah 7:14	Matthew 1:18, 22, 23
Born in Bethlehem	Micah 5:2	Matthew 2:1, 5, 6
Called by the name Immanuel b​	Isaiah 7:14	Matthew 1:21-23
Humble beginning	Isaiah 53:2	Luke 2:7
Young children killed after his birth	Jeremiah 31:15	Matthew 2:16-18
Called out of Egypt	Hosea 11:1	Matthew 2:13-15
Called a Nazarene c​	Isaiah 11:1	Matthew 2:23
Preceded by a messenger	Malachi 3:1	Matthew 11:7-10
Anointed as Messiah in 29 C.E. d​	Daniel 9:25	Matthew 3:13-17
Acknowledged by God as His Son	Psalm 2:7	Acts 13:33, 34
Zealous for God’s house	Psalm 69:9	John 2:13-17
Proclaimer of good news	Isaiah 61:1	Luke 4:16-21
Public ministry in Galilee a great light	Isaiah 9:1, 2	Matthew 4:13-16
A miracle worker like Moses	Deuteronomy 18:15	Acts 2:22
Like Moses, he spoke God’s thoughts	Deuteronomy 18:18, 19	John 12:49
Cured sicknesses of many	Isaiah 53:4	Matthew 8:16, 17
Did not draw attention to himself	Isaiah 42:2	Matthew 12:17, 19
Showed compassion for the afflicted	Isaiah 42:3	Matthew 12:9-20; Mark 6:34
Revealed God’s justice	Isaiah 42:1, 4	Matthew 12:17-20
A Wonderful Counselor	Isaiah 9:6, 7	John 6:68
Declared Jehovah’s name	Psalm 22:22	John 17:6
Spoke in illustrations	Psalm 78:2	Matthew 13:34, 35
A Leader	Daniel 9:25	Matthew 23:10
Many did not believe in him	Isaiah 53:1	John 12:37, 38
Stone of stumbling	Isaiah 8:14, 15	Matthew 21:42-44
Rejected by humans	Psalm 118:22, 23	Acts 4:10, 11
Hated without cause	Psalm 69:4	John 15:24, 25
Triumphal entry into Jerusalem on a donkey	Zechariah 9:9	Matthew 21:4-9
Praised by children	Psalm 8:2	Matthew 21:15, 16
Came in Jehovah’s name	Psalm 118:26	John 12:12, 13
Betrayed by a trusted associate	Psalm 41:9	John 13:18
Betrayed for 30 pieces of silver e​	Zechariah 11:12, 13	Matthew 26:14-16; 27:3-10
Friends abandoned him	Zechariah 13:7	Matthew 26:31, 56
False witnesses testified against him	Psalm 35:11	Matthew 26:59-61
Silent before accusers	Isaiah 53:7	Matthew 27:12-14
Spat upon	Isaiah 50:6	Matthew 26:67; 27:27, 30
Struck on the head	Micah 5:1	Mark 15:19
Flogged	Isaiah 50:6	John 19:1
Did not resist those who struck him	Isaiah 50:6	John 18:22, 23
Government leaders conspired against him	Psalm 2:2	Luke 23:10-12
Nailed to a stake through his hands and feet	Psalm 22:16	Matthew 27:35; John 20:25
People cast lots (gambled) for his clothing	Psalm 22:18	John 19:23, 24
Counted in with sinners	Isaiah 53:12	Matthew 27:38
Reviled, insulted	Psalm 22:7, 8	Matthew 27:39-43
Suffered for sinners	Isaiah 53:5, 6	1 Peter 2:23-25
Seemed forsaken by God	Psalm 22:1	Mark 15:34
Given vinegar and gall to drink	Psalm 69:21	Matthew 27:34
Thirsty just before death	Psalm 22:15	John 19:28, 29
Entrusted spirit to God	Psalm 31:5	Luke 23:46
Gave up his life	Isaiah 53:12	Mark 15:37
Provided the ransom to remove sin	Isaiah 53:12	Matthew 20:28
Bones not broken	Psalm 34:20	John 19:31-33, 36
Pierced	Zechariah 12:10	John 19:33-35, 37
Buried with the rich	Isaiah 53:9	Matthew 27:57-60
Raised from the dead	Psalm 16:10	Acts 2:29-31
Betrayer replaced	Psalm 109:8	Acts 1:15-20
Seated at God’s right hand	Psalm 110:1	Acts 2:34-36

(Source; Watchtower Library)

OMG, that is craaaaazy!! And did you know, Muhammad fulfilled Bible prophecy too, and he went on to make 160 prophecies, which were fulfilled in his lifetime and in the first generation after him, yessirree. Isn't the study of prophecy fun?? Here, I'll make one: you will post your own disavowal of Islamic prophecies. I see it...yes....I see it in the near future....I have spoken.

 

[DLH]

OMG, that is craaaaazy!! And did you know, Muhammad fulfilled Bible prophecy too, and he went on to make 160 prophecies, which were fulfilled in his lifetime and in the first generation after him, yessirree. Isn't the study of prophecy fun?? Here, I'll make one: you will post your own disavowal of Islamic prophecies. I see it...yes....I see it in the near future....I have spoken.

Sorry. Not terribly conversant with Islamic prophecies, you would have to be more specific prior to my having fulfilled your own prophecy. I hope my incompetence in this particular instance doesn't inconvenience you.

 

[ideologyhunter]

Sorry, in God's Law, ignorance of prophecy is no defense. Guilty.

 

[DLH]

Sorry, in God's Law, ignorance of prophecy is no defense. Guilty.

I don't know what to say, Judge.

 

[DLH]

That makes no sense. You can't resolve the contradiction by simply rewording the claim.

Sorry, must have overlooked this in the editing process.



I don't think I have, but I might argue that I could have considering what I broght to your attention earlier regarding translation and definition. Uh, wait a minute, it's here somewhere - [rumages through assorted collections] Ah, here it is [mutters to himself, this should be under miscelleaneous not mythology] yes, here. I think. Post #4.

 

[Politesse]

God forgot to send the dogs, lions, and bulls that were supposed to nip at him, in that prophecy. Does that mean we aren't saved after all? Or is it that one of those things Jesus will have to tidy up when he "comes again" in "fulfillment of prophecy"? Like yeah he'll crush every nation under his heel but first he needs to stop and let his enemies capture him a for a bit so they can torture him with some random animals that Matthew forgot about.

"Save me* from the sword, My precious life* from the paws* of dogs; Save me from the mouth of the lion+ and the horns of wild bulls"

I have no idea what specifically you're talking about. Psalm 22:20-22 is what you're referring to; it's listed above as Declaration of Jehovah's name and fulfilled at John 17:6. I've worked that much out with my feeblemindedness, but well, I don't get it sir. Either you are referencing some subtle doctrinal nuance I'm unaware of or you're suggesting Jesus was spared . . . [laughs] never mind, I got it.

It sucks getting old, you know?

You are taking the sword, dogs, lions and bulls as literal or suggesting he wasn't spared those; well now it makes no sense to me again. God wasn't supposed to send those, he was supposed to ward them off, which, obviously either he had done or it turned out not to be called for.

My brain hurts. Maybe you made a very subtle joke which transcended my vacant orb?

The poet also asks not to be forsaken, not to be jeered at, not to have his clothes divided among foes, etc, and Mr of Nazareth certainly wasn't spared those indignities. But I get what you're trying to do here. The parts of that poem that were "fulfilled" by the author of Matthew were meant as literal prophecies of things that Jesus would suffer, but those that went obviously unfulfilled were meant to be things that God would ward off. As needed to make it look like a "prophecy", interpreting different stanzas with entirely different hermeneutics. Rather than looking like, you know, what it obviously is: a poem that someone wrote about maintaining their faithfulness in times of suffering.

 

[Ramaraksha]

Like if you have a debt when you pay the debt in full.

Wait, that only applies if you are here on earth
Once dead, all you have to do is repent and God will forgive your debts
God will help you cheat your creditors & victims too, since he will forgive your Mistakes as well

 

[DBT]

Judaism rejects Jesus for good reason.

Okay. And you reject Judaism for good reason, I reject atheism for good reason.

I doubt that. A lack of conviction is justified by a lack of evidence. Atheists are not convinced in the existence of gods because of a lack of evidence for their existence.

So the opposite is true: due to a lack of evidence, it is not justified to believe that gods exist.

The Messiah has yet to arrive.

I think much of Judaism has abandoned the possibility, haven't they? Like I said earlier the Jews had legal documentation to establish the possible lineage in which the Messiah could be identified. That Jesus fit the criteria is self-evident by the Jewish leaders of his day not challenging that. Since the temple with that documentation was destroyed by the Romans in 70 CE no one could legally indentify as the Messiah.

The same is true for the return of Jesus in power and glory for all the tribes on earth to see and mourn....which was promised to happen within the lifetime of some standing there, within that generation.

Yet it has been two thousand years and Christians are still waiting.

 

[DLH]

I doubt that. A lack of conviction is justified by a lack of evidence.

Or denial of the evidence; blind disobedience.

Atheists are not convinced in the existence of gods because of a lack of evidence for their existence. So the opposite is true: due to a lack of evidence, it is not justified to believe that gods exist.

Evidence

The above are gods. They literally exist. They aren't just carvings of gods; they are themselves gods.
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The same is true for the return of Jesus in power and glory for all the tribes on earth to see and mourn....which was promised to happen within the lifetime of some standing there, within that generation.

Yet it has been two thousand years and Christians are still waiting.

Hmmm. No. I made a new thread for this. What the Bible says about the end of the world.

 

[DLH]

Wait, that only applies if you are here on earth

Where else would you expect to be?

Once dead, all you have to do is repent and God will forgive your debts

Religious nonsense. No, you don't have to repent. All you have to do is die. Romans 6:7 If the wage of sin is death there is no repentance involved. When you die you are acquitted.

God will help you cheat your creditors & victims too, since he will forgive your Mistakes as well

The fine line between the quixotic (idealistic to an impractical degree) and the mundane (irreligious) is imaginary. There is no difference between the two.

 

[DLH]

The poet also asks not to be forsaken, not to be jeered at, not to have his clothes divided among foes, etc, and Mr of Nazareth certainly wasn't spared those indignities.

In other words, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani.

But I get what you're trying to do here.

Oh! If only it were that easy!

The parts of that poem that were "fulfilled" by the author of Matthew were meant as literal prophecies of things that Jesus would suffer, but those that went obviously unfulfilled were meant to be things that God would ward off. As needed to make it look like a "prophecy", interpreting different stanzas with entirely different hermeneutics. Rather than looking like, you know, what it obviously is: a poem that someone wrote about maintaining their faithfulness in times of suffering.

Almost like life, isn't it? If only the people that dig around in the dirt had it so easy.

 

[Politesse]

In other words, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani

Quoting that very same poem, yes.

 

[pood]

I doubt that. A lack of conviction is justified by a lack of evidence.

Or denial of the evidence; blind disobedience.

Atheists are not convinced in the existence of gods because of a lack of evidence for their existence. So the opposite is true: due to a lack of evidence, it is not justified to believe that gods exist.

Evidence

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The above are gods. They literally exist. They aren't just carvings of gods; they are themselves gods.
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No they aren’t. They are just figurines. And your Yay! Hovah is a figment of your imagination.

Hmmm. No. I made a new thread for this. What the Bible says about the end of the world.

Why would you think a board full of atheists and skeptics cares about anything the bible says?

We know how the world will end. It will be consumed by the sun in about 5 billion years. Humans will have gone extinct for other reasons long before then.

 

[southernhybrid]

Wow! I just noticed this thread because I've had better things to do then spend too much time here. I quote a couple of sources that mention some Biblical contradictions, and somebody gets so irritated that they start an entire thread based on that? WTF man! Wow, just wow. It's easy to find hundreds of Biblical contradictions. Just do your own DD, and be honest. Sheesh!

 

[DLH]

No they aren’t. They are just figurines.

They are gods.

And your Yay! Hovah is a figment of your imagination.

I don't have an imagination.

Why would you think a board full of atheists and skeptics cares about anything the bible says?

For the fear that someone might know something they don't - that they are wrong. About everything.

We know how the world will end. It will be consumed by the sun in about 5 billion years. Humans will have gone extinct for other reasons long before then.

Prove it.