Southernhybrid's Contradictions

[DLH]

I haven’t the power to get you banned, and I don’t want you banned anyway. You’re comic relief.

Now, come on! Tell the truth for once.

 

[pood]

Riiiiiight.

 

[pood]

I haven’t the power to get you banned, and I don’t want you banned anyway. You’re comic relief.

Now, come on! Tell the truth for once.

I always tell the truth. I don’t live in an infantile fantasy world.

 

[pood]

Maybe you should try posting again at your own board, where you have zero members.

No one is allowed to post on my board. Signing up is disabled.

What a shame. I’m sure you could get a.lot of Jehovah's Witlesses to discuss the crucial topic of whether Jesus was the son of god or merely an archangel.

 

[ideologyhunter]

<dupe>

 

[ideologyhunter]

We all know which one of those categories I fit into.

At last I am in complete agreement with you.

 

[DBT]

Judaism rejects Jesus for good reason.

Okay. And you reject Judaism for good reason, I reject atheism for good reason.

I doubt that. A lack of conviction is justified by a lack of evidence. Atheists are not convinced in the existence of gods because of a lack of evidence for their existence.

So the opposite is true: due to a lack of evidence, it is not justified to believe that gods exist.

The Messiah has yet to arrive.

I think much of Judaism has abandoned the possibility, haven't they? Like I said earlier the Jews had legal documentation to establish the possible lineage in which the Messiah could be identified. That Jesus fit the criteria is self-evident by the Jewish leaders of his day not challenging that. Since the temple with that documentation was destroyed by the Romans in 70 CE no one could legally indentify as the Messiah.

The same is true for the return of Jesus in power and glory for all the tribes on earth to see and mourn....which was promised to happen within the lifetime of some standing there, within that generation.

Yet it has been two thousand years and Christians are still waiting.

DLH, just curious...how do you explain the failure of the return of Jesus in power and glory prophesy?

 

[Politesse]

Maybe you should try posting again at your own board, where you have zero members.

No one is allowed to post on my board. Signing up is disabled.

What a shame. I’m sure you could get a.lot of Jehovah's Witlesses to discuss the crucial topic of whether Jesus was the son of god or merely an archangel.

Are we not all of us sons and daughters of God? Or do Christians make liars of themselves when they call their god "Father"?

 

[Ramaraksha]

Wait, that only applies if you are here on earth

Where else would you expect to be?

Once dead, all you have to do is repent and God will forgive your debts

Religious nonsense. No, you don't have to repent. All you have to do is die. Romans 6:7 If the wage of sin is death there is no repentance involved. When you die you are acquitted.

God will help you cheat your creditors & victims too, since he will forgive your Mistakes as well

The fine line between the quixotic (idealistic to an impractical degree) and the mundane (irreligious) is imaginary. There is no difference between the two.

I am talking about the promises that are being made by religions
Once resurrected after death - there is still the problem of unpaid debts left behind
Mistakes that were made where there are victims that are hurting
In the REAL WORLD - we are asked to pay back our debts, correct our mistakes
In order to do that, keep our word, do the right thing by our victims, we have to come back - Reincarnation
But that puts a crimp in religions that promise the easy lazy good life in Heaven
And so, here comes a nice forgiving God, he will nicely listen to our repentance and forgive us!
Off we go to Heaven, the easy good life! yay!

 

[Ramaraksha]

Maybe you should try posting again at your own board, where you have zero members.

No one is allowed to post on my board. Signing up is disabled.

What a shame. I’m sure you could get a.lot of Jehovah's Witlesses to discuss the crucial topic of whether Jesus was the son of god or merely an archangel.

Are we not all of us sons and daughters of God? Or do Christians make liars of themselves when they call their god "Father"?

Clearly their behavior and terminology shows that these are Master/Slave religions
What Father asks his son to MURDER his OWN son and what son would hurry to obey?
What Father demands belief, support, submission, obedience and loyalty to him and him alone & if such demands are not
met, tortures his children in Hell?
What son, upon meeting his father, gets down on his knees and begs for mercy?
Clearly this is a Master/slave relationship
.
Ancient people living under Kings, Dictators used them as a template for God
They envisioned an afterworld that was similar to the life they had back then, hence a
King, Dictator like Putin "God" sits on his THRONE, Heaven is his KINGDOM & only those who profess
to blindly believe, support, submit, obey and sing his praises are allowed in, the rest kept out to suffer!
In today's world, it would be like living in North Korea!
These are their Gods - Putin, Kim Jong Un!
.
Greed, greed, greed for the cheap promise of an everlasting life of joy in Heaven has brainwashed the best of them
.
As for us all being sons and daughters of God - a bit harder to preach division and hate against your own
family, isn't it?
How do you throw your own sibling, nieces and nephews into hell?
Easier if they slaves/servants of a different master
Only those who grovel and kneel to our Master are the good guys
Those that do not kneel to our master are evil and must be punished
.
Sometimes I pinch myself - am I really living in the 21st century?
THESE are the top religions of the day? Master/Slave religions?

 

[DBT]

Well, a religion is the reflection of the minds and thoughts of those who construct it.

 

[DLH]

DLH, just curious...how do you explain the failure of the return of Jesus in power and glory prophesy?

I thought I had already posted on this, but having searched 10 pages of my content I don't see it.

The Skeptic's Annotated Bible (SAB) raises the question of whether or not Jesus' return would be visible to all. This response concludes that his return would be visible but not in the manner in which is often thought. The Bible never indicates that Jesus would return in physical form, but that he would return his attention back to Earth, where he would be in spirit. Jesus' return is often thought to be in the physical form of a man, but scripture never speaks of his return in such a manner.

In order to establish a contradiction, the SAB uses John 14:19 in support that Jesus return would not be visible and parallel accounts given at Matthew 24:30; Mark 13:26 and Luke 21:27 as well as Revelation 1:7 in support that his return would be visible.

John 14:19 - Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

Jesus was telling his disciples that the world would see him no more because he would be put to death, but they would see him again because he would be resurrected and he would resurrect them in spirit upon their deaths. The verse has nothing to do with his return to Earth. Paul later confirms this by saying that, in spirit form no man has seen Jesus and none will, unless they be changed into spirit form. (1 Timothy 6:14-16; 2 Corinthians 5:14; 1 Peter 3:18)

At Matthew 24:30 the Greek word horao is translated "see" but can also mean to discern. A Greek-English Lexicon, by Liddell and Scott, says of horao "metaphorically, of mental sight, discern, perceive." - 1948 edition, pages 1244, 1245. This metaphorical perception can also be confirmed by Paul's use of horao at Romans 1:20 where things are invisible yet perceived.

Clouds, like those mentioned in the verses given by the SAB are typically used in a symbolic sense to signify the presence of God (Isaiah 63:9 / 1 Kings 8:10-12)

The SAB then says: "Jehovah's Witnesses believe that Jesus returned invisibly in 1914 without clouds, glory, or being seen by anyone.

Thanks to the Watchtower Society for pointing out this contradiction. (Reasoning From the Scriptures, p. 313, 342-3)"

Response: From page 313 of that Watchtower publication, it says: "Jesus foretold: "Then they will see the Son of man [Jesus Christ] coming in a cloud with power and great glory." (Luke 21:27 RSV) In no way does this statement or similar ones in other texts contradict what Jesus said as recorded at John 14:19. Consider: At Mount Sinai, what occurred when God 'came to the people in a thick cloud,' as stated at Exodus 19:9 (RSV)? God was invisibly present; the people of Israel saw visible evidence of his presence, but none of them actually saw God with their eyes. So, too, when Jesus said that he would come "in a cloud," he must have meant that he would be invisible to human eyes but that humans would be aware of his presence. They would "see" him with their mental eyes, discerning the fact that he was present."

 

[DLH]

I am talking about the promises that are being made by religions

That's a broad stroke.

Once resurrected after death - there is still the problem of unpaid debts left behind
Mistakes that were made where there are victims that are hurting
In the REAL WORLD - we are asked to pay back our debts, correct our mistakes

As far as the Bible goes the ending of the world would negate all of those debts. Romans 6:8 speaks of the ultimate debt being paid.

In order to do that, keep our word, do the right thing by our victims, we have to come back - Reincarnation
But that puts a crimp in religions that promise the easy lazy good life in Heaven
And so, here comes a nice forgiving God, he will nicely listen to our repentance and forgive us!
Off we go to Heaven, the easy good life! yay!

Heaven wasn't created for man, flesh and blood doesn't enter there. The idea that the good go to heaven upon death isn't a Bible teaching. The meek inherit what?

Reincarnation? Caste system.

 

[Learner]

Hey DLH,

The whole world have watched live world-cup football finals for decades. The UK Queens funeral was watched on every type of electronic device or gadget on the earth across the world, whether they be in their car or on the beach etc.& etc.


Which reminds me ..with the advancement of technology, there are people who arre quite enthusiastic, ready and eager to have chips inserted in their heads (like Musk envisions) replacing the hand held gadgets - they will see what everyone else is tuned into at the very same instance.
( I would hope it can be switched off for a while now and then when you need a little break from it all.)

 

[DLH]

Clearly their behavior and terminology shows that these are Master/Slave religions

It seems to me all too easy to politicize slavery in an overemotional and unsophisticated attempt to trigger cultural and temporal influences and demonize current perspectives that have nothing to do with those archaic practices. You don't have to carefully examine such criticisms; you only have to feel the intended emotional response to the provocation. At Romans 12:11

First look at the Biblical Hebrew meaning behind various uses and words which might be translated as slave. Depending on the context it could be slave or servant. A person owned by others. The word husband means owner. It could also apply to subjects, like that of a king, to be a subject of a king or a person in royal service. It could be a respectful term like sir, etymologically from sire, master, lord. Or servant, a servant or slave to God, to debt, to an addiction etc.

Joseph was sold into slavery in Egypt and he was the second most wealthy and powerful man in all of Egypt, second only to Pharaoh. A slave could signify a willingness to be permanent slave by piercing his ear, a slave could have their own business and it was illegal to take anyone against their will to sell into slavery.

What Father asks his son to MURDER his OWN son and what son would hurry to obey?

Soldiers? After Adam sinned Jehovah began a plan in which ultimately mankind was saved from their own self-destruction. In order for that to happen a spirit being in heaven had to come to Earth from heaven and live briefly (33 1/2 years) as a human who was killed. Jehovah didn't plan on Abraham killing Isaac, he only wanted to insure that Abraham and Isaac were the people to understand the sacrifice he himself was about to make.

What Father demands belief, support, submission, obedience and loyalty to him and him alone & if such demands are not
met, tortures his children in Hell?

Hell isn't a Biblical teaching. The Bible teaches that the wicked will suffer everlasting destruction. Death without the resurrection afforded the righteous. You may be thinking of Naraka?

What son, upon meeting his father, gets down on his knees and begs for mercy?
Clearly this is a Master/slave relationship

Okay. I think that would apply to anyone whose life was in the hands of the one kneeling.

Ancient people living under Kings, Dictators used them as a template for God
They envisioned an afterworld that was similar to the life they had back then, hence a
King, Dictator like Putin "God" sits on his THRONE, Heaven is his KINGDOM & only those who profess

I addressed that above, without the obvious politicization and demonizing of a Russian leader. Like the ones that lberated the German work camps. Funny how we use things to further our agenda or even just make a point we want everyone to agree with. Facts have less to do with such efforts than emotional manipulation.

to blindly believe, support, submit, obey and sing his praises are allowed in, the rest kept out to suffer!
In today's world, it would be like living in North Korea!
These are their Gods - Putin, Kim Jong Un!

[Sigh] Okay.

 

[TomC]

Sometimes I pinch myself - am I really living in the 21st century?
THESE are the top religions of the day? Master/Slave religions?

You seem extremely attached to the concept of Cosmic Justice. I see no reason to believe in that, and it contradicts the reality that I do observe.
I see Justice as an abstract concept that humans use to help guide us towards a better world for all. But it isn't real. What is real is "Nature, red in tooth and claws."
Tom

 

[DLH]

Hey DLH,

Hey Learner.

The whole world have watched live world-cup football finals for decades. The UK Queens funeral was watched on every type of electronic device or gadget on the earth across the world, whether they be in their car or on the beach etc.& etc.

True, and the whole world will see the effects of the presence of Christ. Not the physical appearance.

Which reminds me ..with the advancement of technology, there are people who arre quite enthusiastic, ready and eager to have chips inserted in their heads (like Musk envisions) replacing the hand held gadgets - they will see what everyone else is tuned into at the very same instance.
( I would hope it can be switched off for a while now and then when you need a little break from it all.)

Yeah . . . and there's a thin line between truth and illusion. 666, for example, isn't a literal mark of some kind on THE antichrist. There is no THE antichrist. The number represents mankind's imperfection. Adam was given a period of time in which to mature, following which he could "enter Jehovah's day of rest." Of completion, modeled after the 7 days of creation. The seventh day being when mankind will be complete.

The mark of the beast comes from prostitutes in the first century CE having a mark to distinguish them as such. In this case, the mark of the beast signifies a prostitution of people to Satan's world, the kingdoms of men, Like America or Israel. Jesus and his followers were no part of the world, which Satan had unsuccessfully tempted Jesus with.

Satan, often misunderstood to be named Lucifer, is also often mistakenly thought to be a reference to Luciferase and vaccination passes, medical history tattoos - that sort of thing. Lucifer is actually a Latin term in align with bioluminescence. Lighting bugs, glow worms, etc. It wasn't applied to Satan at Isaiah 14:12, it was applied there to Nebuchadnezzar as seen in context. (Isaiah 14:1-12)

 

[DLH]

Hey DLH,

Hey Learner.

The whole world have watched live world-cup football finals for decades. The UK Queens funeral was watched on every type of electronic device or gadget on the earth across the world, whether they be in their car or on the beach etc.& etc.

True, and the whole world will see the effects of the presence of Christ. Not the physical appearance.

Which reminds me ..with the advancement of technology, there are people who arre quite enthusiastic, ready and eager to have chips inserted in their heads (like Musk envisions) replacing the hand held gadgets - they will see what everyone else is tuned into at the very same instance.
( I would hope it can be switched off for a while now and then when you need a little break from it all.)

Yeah . . . and there's a thin line between truth and illusion. 666, for example, isn't a literal mark of some kind on THE antichrist. There is no THE antichrist. The number represents mankind's imperfection. Adam was given a period of time in which to mature, following which he could "enter Jehovah's day of rest." Of completion, modeled after the 7 days of creation. The seventh day being when mankind will be complete.

The mark of the beast comes from prostitutes in the first century CE having a mark to distinguish them as such. In this case, the mark of the beast signifies a prostitution of people to Satan's world, the kingdoms of men, Like America or Israel. Jesus and his followers were no part of the world, which Satan had unsuccessfully tempted Jesus with.

Satan, often misunderstood to be named Lucifer, is also often mistakenly thought to be a reference to Luciferase and vaccination passes, medical history tattoos - that sort of thing. Lucifer is actually a Latin term in align with bioluminescence. Lighting bugs, glow worms, etc. It wasn't applied to Satan at Isaiah 14:12, it was applied there to Nebuchadnezzar as seen in context. (Isaiah 14:1-12)

Boy that's some terrible writing and editing. I just don't have the time or energy to devote to making sure that doesn't happen, but I hope anyone, even Steve and Poo, will ask for clarification if needed. I don't think for their purposes that will be necessary, but whatever. Whoever.

 

[lostone]

I think the usual interpretation has been that the ancients believed that the god(s) entered into those figurines. The ancients understood that men like themselves had fashioned them.

 

[Politesse]

I think the usual interpretation has been that the ancients believed that the god(s) entered into those figurines. The ancients understood that men like themselves had fashioned them.

Just as the Hebrews believed Name of G-d dwelt in the Temple that Solomon built.