How Will the Economy Improve?

[TV and credit cards]

Yes. It takes 3 to 5 years to build a new plant in the US. They will just not do that in an unstable market. They will cut back and wait it out.

Who the hell would be dumb enough to invest in a big manufacturing plant in a place teetering on the brink of major recession?

Maybe RVonse, but nobody smarter than that.
Tom

An the hourly wage for manufacturing in Mexico varies from $3 t0 $6 an hour depending on skill level.

 

[Elixir]

It will improve if Trump drops dead.
If he drops dead this afternoon, the DOW will jump 15% by the Monday open.

 

[TomC]

Yes. It takes 3 to 5 years to build a new plant in the US. They will just not do that in an unstable market. They will cut back and wait it out.

Who the hell would be dumb enough to invest in a big manufacturing plant in a place teetering on the brink of major recession?

Maybe RVonse, but nobody smarter than that.
Tom

An the hourly wage for manufacturing in Mexico varies from $3 t0 $6 an hour depending on skill level.

Maybe we could get more Mexicans to come staff our new factories?

Oh wait...

Tom

 

[TV and credit cards]

Yes. It takes 3 to 5 years to build a new plant in the US. They will just not do that in an unstable market. They will cut back and wait it out.

Who the hell would be dumb enough to invest in a big manufacturing plant in a place teetering on the brink of major recession?

Maybe RVonse, but nobody smarter than that.
Tom

An the hourly wage for manufacturing in Mexico varies from $3 t0 $6 an hour depending on skill level.

Maybe we could get more Mexicans to come staff our new factories?

Oh wait...

Tom

And I read the comparative healthcare cost are $3,500 for Mexico versus $22,000 US annually. I'm sure this is just a small part of the equation because on its face I don't know why any auto manufacturer would set up shop in the US.

 

[scombrid]

It costs my wife and me $20k per year for “insurance” and we still have to pay out of pocket. Just think is we invested that money over time and self insured? Cut out the vampires in the middle and paid providers directly? Best yet. Just think if there was a single payer funded out of general revenue and the top 1% of wealthy weren’t so good at hiding that wealth from the tax man to push the funding burden to debt and plebes.

 

[Patooka]

WHY Vonse wants to see further concentrations of wealth at the top, is a mystery.

No it's not. Rvonse is big about slogans like "Citizens united!" without knowing what it means and then supporting oligarchs unconditionally.

I mean I could have just posted RVonse posts before they think but that is kinda redundant soo...

For the cult I suppose.

 

[Ford]

Yes. It takes 3 to 5 years to build a new plant in the US. They will just not do that in an unstable market. They will cut back and wait it out.

Who the hell would be dumb enough to invest in a big manufacturing plant in a place teetering on the brink of major recession?

Maybe RVonse, but nobody smarter than that.
Tom

An the hourly wage for manufacturing in Mexico varies from $3 t0 $6 an hour depending on skill level.

Maybe we could get more Mexicans to come staff our new factories?

Oh wait...

Tom

I spent some time working in a factory job back in 2020 - the last time Trump's policies tanked the economy - and, um...how can I put this? The lunch room on second shift wasn't exactly filled with the sort of white middle class workers that you'd find in a factory in the imagined past Trump is trying to get back to. What's more, many of them were veterans of the "lean manufacturing" circuit, where jobs paid better than fast food, service, or janitorial gigs, and everyone knew each other from bouncing back and forth between factory jobs. You worked for a temp agency rather than the company that owned the place (contract work sucks) and many of them had second or even third jobs, because you can't afford to support your family on one that pays (with the shift differential) $16.50 an hour.

Your average "Joe the Plumber" type ain't gonna take that kind of job, they're not gonna want to work in a factory in a sketchy neighborhood where you might get stabbed walking out to your car (yes, that happened where I worked) or you'd have to take the bus home after your shift because you also can't afford to buy a car.

Even if the tariffs somehow manage to "bring back manufacturing" to these golden shores, the jobs aren't going to be the good, solid union jobs that our parents and grandparents worked to build a middle class life where mom stayed home and raised the kids in your suburban house with a car in the garage and a chicken in every pot.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Holy crap!

 

[Tigers!]

The problem is that this will not happen, because the media is as much controlled opposition as the "moderates".

"The media" theses days is Aunt Millie on Twitter and Facebook

Indeed it is. But her real name is Sergei, and she works in St Petersburg.

I thought the name was Barbos?

 

[bilby]

The problem is that this will not happen, because the media is as much controlled opposition as the "moderates".

"The media" theses days is Aunt Millie on Twitter and Facebook

Indeed it is. But her real name is Sergei, and she works in St Petersburg.

I thought the name was Barbos?

He's in the much smaller office next door, where the losers who can't take the pace of the Twitter and Facebook accounts are sent to work on obscure and niche forums and web boards.

 

[KCFlyer]

Holy crap!

Woodward talked a lot about Navarro in his books about Trump. Trump had advisors that kept him away from Trump in his first term. But to listen to Trump's comments "the operation was successful and the patient will be stronger" pretty much come straight from Navarro's mouth.

 

[Axulus]

WTAF

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

It's theoretically possible, provided we remove the minimum wage, remove all environmental and safety regulations, and put children to work like in Florida.

 

[Elixir]

***checks futures***

Looks like the DOW is set to shed another 2300-2400 points at the Monday open.

 

[Axulus]

***checks futures***

Looks like the DOW is set to shed another 2300-2400 points at the Monday open.

Futures markets open 6pm est. You must be looking at the data when they closed on Friday. Although I wouldn't be completely shocked if another big dump is in store.

 

[Axulus]

Dow futures down 1,500. Looks like at least another 4% going to be wiped out.

And this reaction isn't just due to tariffs. We would see the dollar strengthen if that were the case, as tariffs increase the strength of the currency. What is happening is a loss of confidence in the US as a whole. Loss of confidence that there are serious people running things economically (yeah, dumb I know, takes awhile for them to get around to this realization). Loss of confidence in the US as the world's reserve currency. If this continues without remedy, a great depression is certainly not off the table, with 66% or more drop in the markets in the cards.

 

[Tigers!]

The problem is that this will not happen, because the media is as much controlled opposition as the "moderates".

"The media" theses days is Aunt Millie on Twitter and Facebook

Indeed it is. But her real name is Sergei, and she works in St Petersburg.

I thought the name was Barbos?

He's in the much smaller office next door, where the losers who can't take the pace of the Twitter and Facebook accounts are sent to work on obscure and niche forums and web boards.

Good job we do not inhabit those obscure and niche forums and web boards then.

 

[Tigers!]

This is not a good time to consider retiring (or perhaps forced into it in my case)

 

[Axulus]

So, here’s the supervillain plan.

We’re going to tank the global economy. The old order will collapse. Yes, there will be chaos, violence, mass suffering, and pain, but it’s worth it. A phoenix can only rise from the ashes before it ascends to glorious heights and flies to Mars, which is our eventual destination because the Earth, as we know, is completely f’d due to climate change. However, we must first prepare for our future extraplanetary adventures by hoarding resources, acquiring wealth, and amassing power. We will buy the dip as Americans are “liberated” from their 401k plans. Hopefully, the dollar will weaken, and we can finally replace it with Crypto, which we control.

Our partners and puppets with political power will work with us to divide up the country into network states that we will each control like mini-fiefdoms. The masses will naturally yield to our guidance because, after all, we are chosen by fate and God to lead humanity due to our innate brilliance and superior intellect. Unfortunately, not everyone can join us in this next chapter. We have to cull the weak and thin the herd through a humane eugenics process. Eventually, the creme de la creme of genetically superior humans shall become the new human species that will merge with technology and live forever across the galaxies.

Now, let’s get to work and help Trump get elected

...

In this Chai Talk, which I did through a Live Substack, Duran breaks down why Musk and the broligarchy are celebrating America’s pending economic collapse and how they seek to benefit from it to implement their long-term master plan. I know it all sounds like kooky science fiction at first, but Duran brings the receipts.

Why Musk and the Broligarchy Are Loving the Economic Collapse of America

The Nerd Reich, as coined by journalist Gil Duran, is celebrating and welcoming America's economic and political collapse so they can profit off our pain and move towards creating their technocracy.

open.substack.com

 

[bilby]

I know it all sounds like kooky science fiction at first, but Duran brings the receipts.

Duran? Duran??

It sounds like very specific kooky science fiction - Barbarella