Legal definition of woman is based on biological sex, UK supreme court rules

[Playball40]

The objective should be equality. Not inflicting past harms on the innocent as a form of redress.

It IS equality now (that is the point). ALL persons are considered for positions. Not just white, cis-gen males. How do you NOT see this? That in many instances the best choice is NOT A WHITE MALE. NO ONE is excluding white men - they are just considering ALL options and choosing the best one. In Biden's case, that was a black woman. Why is this so hard for you to comprehend?

 

[Colonel Sanders]

I'm not voting anymore. I'm not bothering because the Democratic party is ran by people like you who have decided to gleefully use people like me as a constant punching bag. Keep on with Revenge Tour '25, I'm sure it'll yield tremendous results. I mean sure, the Dems have only lost ALL THREE BRANCHES of the federal government. Surely that hasn't moved realistic and achievable progress back a solid 20 years.

Exhibit A for the problem caused by reverse discrimination.

But you should vote Democrat anyway as it's better than the alternative. Too late for that now, though.

I hear ya'. I happily voted for Kerry, Obama twice, and I voted for Hillary because I thought she was one of the most qualified people to ever run for POTUS. I was able to get on board with Biden because 1) he wasn't Trump, and 2) because he was an experienced left of center candidate.

I held my nose and voted for Harris because she wasn't Trump.

The Dems are supposed represent some of my and most people's most important interests e.g. universal healthcare, taking concrete action to fix the homelessness crisis, and getting a larger set of workers to unionize.

Here's the other thing: they won't get it done. They're ineffective and don't have the common sense to admit that the messages voters are receiving are losing them elections, e.g. catering to tiny voting blocks while allowing those irrelevant blocks to dictate what people perceive as the Democratic Party's stance on social issues---and the Dems do nothing to dispel it because the people running the goddamn party support it. Thus, the inner core and the fringe support bullshit that the vast majority don't care about or have come to despise due to the overrepresentation of fringe nonsense along with the relentless screeching at huge blocks that they're racist, misogynistic, and priveleged by birth.

My answer to that at this point is this: go fuck yourself, I'm done with it.

 

[Colonel Sanders]

The objective should be equality. Not inflicting past harms on the innocent as a form of redress.

It IS equality now (that is the point). ALL persons are considered for positions. Not just white, cis-gen males. How do you NOT see this? That in many instances the best choice is NOT A WHITE MALE. NO ONE is excluding white men - they are just considering ALL options and choosing the best one. In Biden's case, that was a black woman. Why is this so hard for you to comprehend?

Really? So a college local to me has a 70% non-white staff in an area that's over 50% white, and that doesn't indicate a problem to you?

And Harris was the best possible candidate? She was the ONLY candidate. She didn't even make it a full year in her 2020 campaign, and she polling in the single digits by that point. The Democratic Party didn't take a look around to see who had the best chance at winning; they chose someone based on their ideology.

P.S. Don't refer to me as "cis" anything. It's an insult. I didn't ask for that moniker and neither did anyone else. It's a petty shot at 90% of the population and all the "It's a scientific term!" disingenuous bullshit is just that: bullshit.

 

[Playball40]

The objective should be equality. Not inflicting past harms on the innocent as a form of redress.

It IS equality now (that is the point). ALL persons are considered for positions. Not just white, cis-gen males. How do you NOT see this? That in many instances the best choice is NOT A WHITE MALE. NO ONE is excluding white men - they are just considering ALL options and choosing the best one. In Biden's case, that was a black woman. Why is this so hard for you to comprehend?

Really? So a college local to me has a 70% non-white staff in an area that's over 50% white, and that doesn't indicate a problem to you?

And Harris was the best possible candidate? She was the ONLY candidate. She didn't even make it a full year in her 2020 campaign, and she polling in the single digits by that point. The Democratic Party didn't take a look around to see who had the best chance at winning; they chose someone based on their ideology.

P.S. Don't refer to me as "cis" anything. It's an insult. I didn't ask for that moniker and neither did anyone else. It's a petty shot at 90% of the population and all the "It's a scientific term!" disingenuous bullshit is just that: bullshit.

No, it doesn't, if they are the most qualified to teach the student population. And where were you when the vast majority of college professors were white and male only? Did that not cause the same outrage?

 

[Toni]

The objective should be equality. Not inflicting past harms on the innocent as a form of redress.

It IS equality now (that is the point). ALL persons are considered for positions. Not just white, cis-gen males. How do you NOT see this? That in many instances the best choice is NOT A WHITE MALE. NO ONE is excluding white men - they are just considering ALL options and choosing the best one. In Biden's case, that was a black woman. Why is this so hard for you to comprehend?

Really? So a college local to me has a 70% non-white staff in an area that's over 50% white, and that doesn't indicate a problem to you?

And Harris was the best possible candidate? She was the ONLY candidate. She didn't even make it a full year in her 2020 campaign, and she polling in the single digits by that point. The Democratic Party didn't take a look around to see who had the best chance at winning; they chose someone based on their ideology.

P.S. Don't refer to me as "cis" anything. It's an insult. I didn't ask for that moniker and neither did anyone else. It's a petty shot at 90% of the population and all the "It's a scientific term!" disingenuous bullshit is just that: bullshit.

No one ever said Harris was the ONLY candidate it she was apparently good enough that Biden won. Frankly, Palin sank whatever chance McCain had against Biden.

 

[laughing dog]

2. I don't want empathy. You're willfully mischaracterizing what I said. What I want is to not be told that I'm an oppressor when I'm not. I tried to intellectualize it for the past 20+ years before finally throwing up my hands and saying fuck it because it resulted in Trump becoming POTUS. How out of fucking touch must a party be to lose to Trump twice? How did the Dems lose the union vote? How did any of this happen???

FFS. who is pointing to you and showing that your actions are oppressive. Generalizations are about PREDOMINANT things.

Or are you disagreeing that historically, that white men have been oppressive in Western Civilization>

Historically, yes. But you continue to treat white males as if they are the oppressors of old. ....

No, I don't.

Not only do you keep accusing the innocent of oppression but you treat them as so stupid they can't comprehend they are oppressing.

Having one's feelings bruised is not oppression.

One explanation is backlash. People are driven away, angered into spite voting, or they just lose interest. The other is that the Democratic party is run by incompetent, iron-bubble asshats who would rather double down on losing social issues than win elections that would allow at least some measure of progress.

The backlash is real even if it mostly snowflake behavior. Which means that the Democrats have to figure out a way to somehow deal with that backlash and move forward.

It's not snowflake. And what they need to do is stop standing on the side of oppression.

I have heard enough from like Colonel Saunders, they are snowflakes. Just like Trump - imagining themselves as victims when they are not.

 

[laughing dog]

Sounds like revenge.

Biden and every single POTUS except Obama were chosen because they are white and male. Except for three women, every VP was chosen because of the color of his skin and what is between his legs.

You think it is revenge to be asked to even consider what it is like to be a woman or black or both?

My God the privilege you live in! You poor little baby who cannot face the possibility of having to compete in a world where what’s between your legs and what color you skin dies not give you the loooongg head start you think you are entitled to because. Just because.

In other words, it is revenge. You're part of the problem, not part of the solution.

You need to explain how DEI is revenge because I don't think that word means what you think it means.

The objective should be equality. Not inflicting past harms on the innocent as a form of redress.

Playball40 points out that DEI is about including everyone - it not inflicting real harm on anyone.

 

[scombrid]

Interesting that you believe you are being used as a punching bag because I suggested that maybe white men should try to put themselves in the position of women, and especially women of color. Especially given the statistics re: domestic abuse. Asking for empathy in your mind = treating you as a punching bag. That says way more about you as a person than it does me or about your politics or mine or anybody's.

And you illustrate the problem: you don't even recognize that you're using him as a punching bag. It is not that you are asking for empathy, it is that you are asking white males to accept second class citizen status as compensation for past wrongs they had no part in committing.

Second class citizen status? Really. That is hyperbolic nonsense. That concept is on par with Christians that are being “persecuted” just by people not bowing to them or letting them have exclusive access to public space for their holy displays.

 

[Derec]

What did Harris do wrong,

Plenty of things:
- called for banning all fracking and offshore drilling
- attacked Biden over the stupid 70s forced bussing policies
- tweeted that Michael Brown was "murdered" when, as a prosecutor, she must have known better
- overspent during her 2020 campaign so that it went broke early despite great initial fundraising

And that's just from her 2020 campaign. We went over this many times. And yet you still keep ignoring the many times this has been explained t you. You keep insisting that she did nothing wrong, and that anybody who dare criticize her must be doing so because of her race and gender. That is highly disingenuous.

aside from being born female with dark skin?

She's a redbone. She does not have particularly dark skin. Her skin is not much darker than her white hubby's.

The fact is that some white people just cannot get over not being first in line for any and all good jobs.

Nobody should be automatically first in line because of their race and gender.

Out of a limited pool of candidates, Biden wanted to pick someone he could work well with and who would bring something different to the table.

He made the pool of candidates much more limited.

Many times, perhaps most of the time, the person chosen as VP candidate brings something to help balance the ticket—often geographically determined. No one complains about that.

Because balancing can be done in different ways.

White men just cannot get over once in a while not being in the pool. It’s almost as if they fail to recognize that there is a pool of highly qualified candidates without them being in the center of it.

The second sentence is an argument why e.g. black women should be in the pool. It's not an argument to exclude everybody else.

If it stings: maybe quit grousing and start recognizing that this is what it is still like to be a person of color or a woman, not to mention both.

So to you it's about payback. Even worse, payback based not on individual wrongdoing, or even individuals benefiting, but strictly payback based on skin color and genitalia. It's vile!

 

[bilby]

So a college local to me has a 70% non-white staff in an area that's over 50% white, and that doesn't indicate a problem to you?

What problem does that indicate to you?

Without knowing the proportion of people in the area who are competent to become college staff, and the size of the staff in question, that statistic alone is insufficient to indicate a problem to me.

Why does it matter what proportion of college staff are white? Surely all that matters is what proportion are competent in their role.

 

[Toni]

What did Harris do wrong,

Plenty of things:
- called for banning all fracking and offshore drilling
- attacked Biden over the stupid 70s forced bussing policies
- tweeted that Michael Brown was "murdered" when, as a prosecutor, she must have known better
- overspent during her 2020 campaign so that it went broke early despite great initial fundraising

And that's just from her 2020 campaign. We went over this many times. And yet you still keep ignoring the many times this has been explained t you. You keep insisting that she did nothing wrong, and that anybody who dare criticize her must be doing so because of her race and gender. That is highly disingenuous.

aside from being born female with dark skin?

She's a redbone. She does not have particularly dark skin. Her skin is not much darker than her white hubby's.

The fact is that some white people just cannot get over not being first in line for any and all good jobs.

Nobody should be automatically first in line because of their race and gender.

Out of a limited pool of candidates, Biden wanted to pick someone he could work well with and who would bring something different to the table.

He made the pool of candidates much more limited.

Many times, perhaps most of the time, the person chosen as VP candidate brings something to help balance the ticket—often geographically determined. No one complains about that.

Because balancing can be done in different ways.

White men just cannot get over once in a while not being in the pool. It’s almost as if they fail to recognize that there is a pool of highly qualified candidates without them being in the center of it.

The second sentence is an argument why e.g. black women should be in the pool. It's not an argument to exclude everybody else.

If it stings: maybe quit grousing and start recognizing that this is what it is still like to be a person of color or a woman, not to mention both.

So to you it's about payback. Even worse, payback based not on individual wrongdoing, or even individuals benefiting, but strictly payback based on skin color and genitalia. It's vile!

Harris was right re: anti-fracking. You and I disagree about this but then I live in an area that bears some of the scars of this environmentally indefensible ‘strategy.’ The damage is not limited to the actual locations of fracking but includes areas in multiple states where ‘mining’ for the ‘sand’ required causes a great deal of damage to areas surrounding the operation while providing no benefit and no relief from the damages and inconveniences to the neighbors.

Yes, Harris did criticize Biden’s earlier actions while she was campaigning against him. Biden is not Trump, insisting on zero criticism and absolute loyalty nor should you be Trump-like. Anyone worthy of the position of leader, even if it’s just a scout troop or a church bazaar committee needs to be able to hear criticism. If they cannot, they aren’t fit for the position.

Biden apparently did not hold it against Harris. She was hardly forced down his throat the way Mike Pence or JD were. And he respected her enough to withdraw from the race in her favor ( I disagree with that decision) .

 

[Toni]

Sounds like revenge.

Biden and every single POTUS except Obama were chosen because they are white and male. Except for three women, every VP was chosen because of the color of his skin and what is between his legs.

You think it is revenge to be asked to even consider what it is like to be a woman or black or both?

My God the privilege you live in! You poor little baby who cannot face the possibility of having to compete in a world where what’s between your legs and what color you skin dies not give you the loooongg head start you think you are entitled to because. Just because.

In other words, it is revenge. You're part of the problem, not part of the solution.

You need to explain how DEI is revenge because I don't think that word means what you think it means.

The objective should be equality. Not inflicting past harms on the innocent as a form of redress.

What past harms do you feel are being inflicted and who do you think is innocent?

 

[bilby]

She's a redbone.

You should write the Racist Thesaurus, so that those of us unfamiliar with C19th Confederate racist slang can understand your posts without having to Google.

 

[Toni]

I'm not voting anymore. I'm not bothering because the Democratic party is ran by people like you who have decided to gleefully use people like me as a constant punching bag. Keep on with Revenge Tour '25, I'm sure it'll yield tremendous results. I mean sure, the Dems have only lost ALL THREE BRANCHES of the federal government. Surely that hasn't moved realistic and achievable progress back a solid 20 years.

Exhibit A for the problem caused by reverse discrimination.

But you should vote Democrat anyway as it's better than the alternative. Too late for that now, though.

I hear ya'. I happily voted for Kerry, Obama twice, and I voted for Hillary because I thought she was one of the most qualified people to ever run for POTUS. I was able to get on board with Biden because 1) he wasn't Trump, and 2) because he was an experienced left of center candidate.

I held my nose and voted for Harris because she wasn't Trump.

The Dems are supposed represent some of my and most people's most important interests e.g. universal healthcare, taking concrete action to fix the homelessness crisis, and getting a larger set of workers to unionize.

Here's the other thing: they won't get it done. They're ineffective and don't have the common sense to admit that the messages voters are receiving are losing them elections, e.g. catering to tiny voting blocks while allowing those irrelevant blocks to dictate what people perceive as the Democratic Party's stance on social issues---and the Dems do nothing to dispel it because the people running the goddamn party support it. Thus, the inner core and the fringe support bullshit that the vast majority don't care about or have come to despise due to the overrepresentation of fringe nonsense along with the relentless screeching at huge blocks that they're racist, misogynistic, and priveleged by birth.

My answer to that at this point is this: go fuck yourself, I'm done with it.

Can you name one of those tiny voting blocks or irrelevant blocks? ‘Fringe’ support?

I’m about as middle American white bread older voter as they come. I do not think that equality for all is a fringe issue.

 

[Arctish]

What did Harris do wrong,

Plenty of things:
- called for banning all fracking and offshore drilling
- attacked Biden over the stupid 70s forced bussing policies
- tweeted that Michael Brown was "murdered" when, as a prosecutor, she must have known better
- overspent during her 2020 campaign so that it went broke early despite great initial fundraising

And that's just from her 2020 campaign. We went over this many times. And yet you still keep ignoring the many times this has been explained t you. You keep insisting that she did nothing wrong, and that anybody who dare criticize her must be doing so because of her race and gender. That is highly disingenuous.

aside from being born female with dark skin?

She's a redbone. She does not have particularly dark skin. Her skin is not much darker than her white hubby's.

The fact is that some white people just cannot get over not being first in line for any and all good jobs.

Nobody should be automatically first in line because of their race and gender.

Out of a limited pool of candidates, Biden wanted to pick someone he could work well with and who would bring something different to the table.

He made the pool of candidates much more limited.

Many times, perhaps most of the time, the person chosen as VP candidate brings something to help balance the ticket—often geographically determined. No one complains about that.

Because balancing can be done in different ways.

White men just cannot get over once in a while not being in the pool. It’s almost as if they fail to recognize that there is a pool of highly qualified candidates without them being in the center of it.

The second sentence is an argument why e.g. black women should be in the pool. It's not an argument to exclude everybody else.

If it stings: maybe quit grousing and start recognizing that this is what it is still like to be a person of color or a woman, not to mention both.

So to you it's about payback. Even worse, payback based not on individual wrongdoing, or even individuals benefiting, but strictly payback based on skin color and genitalia. It's vile!

Harris was right re: anti-fracking. You and I disagree about this but then I live in an area that bears some of the scars of this environmentally indefensible ‘strategy.’ The damage is not limited to the actual locations of fracking but includes areas in multiple states where ‘mining’ for the ‘sand’ required causes a great deal of damage to areas surrounding the operation while providing no benefit and no relief from the damages and inconveniences to the neighbors.

Yes, Harris did criticize Biden’s earlier actions while she was campaigning against him. Biden is not Trump, insisting on zero criticism and absolute loyalty nor should you be Trump-like. Anyone worthy of the position of leader, even if it’s just a scout troop or a church bazaar committee needs to be able to hear criticism. If they cannot, they aren’t fit for the position.

Biden apparently did not hold it against Harris. She was hardly forced down his throat the way Mike Pence or JD were. And he respected her enough to withdraw from the race in her favor ( I disagree with that decision) .

Also, none of the things Derec listed drove away Democrats or were a bridge too far for moderates and independents.

"She once criticized Biden over school busing and used the word "murdered" when describing the death of a black guy" was perhaps the reasoning behind some of the votes for Trump but most voters were much more concerned about rising prices than they were about Biden, busing, or Brown.

 

[laughing dog]

The objective should be equality. Not inflicting past harms on the innocent as a form of redress.

It IS equality now (that is the point). ALL persons are considered for positions. Not just white, cis-gen males. How do you NOT see this? That in many instances the best choice is NOT A WHITE MALE. NO ONE is excluding white men - they are just considering ALL options and choosing the best one. In Biden's case, that was a black woman. Why is this so hard for you to comprehend?

Really? So a college local to me has a 70% non-white staff in an area that's over 50% white, and that doesn't indicate a problem to you?

What problem do you think it suggests?

P.S. Don't refer to me as "cis" anything. It's an insult. I didn't ask for that moniker and neither did anyone else. It's a petty shot at 90% of the population and all the "It's a scientific term!" disingenuous bullshit is just that: bullshit.

I don't care for cis either. I am pretty sure you didn't ask for the moniker of "white" either. Does it bother you to be called white?

 

[Bomb#20]

I'm not voting anymore. I'm not bothering because the Democratic party is ran by people like you who have decided to gleefully use people like me as a constant punching bag. Keep on with Revenge Tour '25, I'm sure it'll yield tremendous results. I mean sure, the Dems have only lost ALL THREE BRANCHES of the federal government. Surely that hasn't moved realistic and achievable progress back a solid 20 years.

Exhibit A for the problem caused by reverse discrimination.

But you should vote Democrat anyway as it's better than the alternative. Too late for that now, though.

There's more than one alternative. And maybe you should vote Democrat, as it's better than your alternatives, but that's because you live in a swing state that Trump took by three percentage points. Colonel Sanders lives in a deep blue state that Harris won by twenty points. Exactly how many additional California votes did she need, to win the election? So in what way is CS voting Democrat better than his preferred alternative of not voting? (Or than my preferred alternative of voting third party?) I do not understand why "strategic" voting appeals to anyone who doesn't live in a swing state. Voting against your true preference for the sake of a strategy is a waste of a vote and a waste of one's time, when it's a strategy that's guaranteed to fail.

 

[Bomb#20]

It IS equality now (that is the point). ALL persons are considered for positions. Not just white, cis-gen males. How do you NOT see this? That in many instances the best choice is NOT A WHITE MALE. NO ONE is excluding white men - they are just considering ALL options and choosing the best one. In Biden's case, that was a black woman. Why is this so hard for you to comprehend?

Really? So a college local to me has a 70% non-white staff in an area that's over 50% white, and that doesn't indicate a problem to you?
...

No, it doesn't, if they are the most qualified to teach the student population. And where were you when the vast majority of college professors were white and male only? Did that not cause the same outrage?

CS did not express any outrage at the staff proportions. He asked you a question.

So a college local to me has a 70% non-white staff in an area that's over 50% white, and that doesn't indicate a problem to you?

What problem does that indicate to you?

CS did not say it indicates any problem to him. He asked P40 a question.

Really? So a college local to me has a 70% non-white staff in an area that's over 50% white, and that doesn't indicate a problem to you?

What problem do you think it suggests?

CS did not say there's any problem it suggests. He asked P40 a question.

You guys are all assuming facts not in evidence. CS appears not to give two hoots whether the color of some staff reflects the color of the community. CS appears to have asked that question in an attempt to cross-examine P40 about his views on that sort of color-matching, most likely for the purpose of collecting evidence proving P40 has a racial double-standard.

 

[ZiprHead]

It was stated that he was looking for a black female. Thus it's because she was a black female.

A highly qualified black female. You seem to keep forgetting that part.

 

[laughing dog]

Really? So a college local to me has a 70% non-white staff in an area that's over 50% white, and that doesn't indicate a problem to you?

What problem do you think it suggests?

CS did not say there's any problem it suggests. He asked P40 a question.

I didn’t say there was any problem. I asked CS a question.

Please stop assuming facts not in evidence.