Merged Fauci Should Be In Prison - Senator Rand Paul

[barbos]

Rvonse and Barbos (both prone to authoritarian sycophancy) can't easily accept a natural explanation for

I merely agree and parrot the correct and truthful claim that origin in nature was NOT found.
And then combine it with circumstantial evidence which points to a lab leak and conclude that lab leak is more likely. I am ready to change my opinion once they find the source in nature, but so far they failed.

Dude, There are like a billion strains of Covid in nature and as an RNA virus it mutates super fast. You probably can't even find OG 2019 Covid wild in Human populations anymore. You are scientifically illiterate and the evidence you are demanding is stupid.

It went extinct long ago.

It does not work that way. There must be relatively close genetic relatives of COVID in the wild.
Only very distant were found.

 

[barbos]

You said I needed to provide evidence zoonotic diseases are common. Now you agree that they are.

No, you needed to provide evidence of COVID natural source in the wild.

That's not the way science works. You are asserting the unusual: that it's not natural. The burden of proof is on you.

There is nothing unusual about lab leaks and accidents. Happens all the time. I heard a few credible second hand (from people in the business) horror stories from the top russian lab dealing with extremely deadly pathogens. I lived near it.

No, that's exactly how science work. We have two plausible hypotheses and tried to select best one using evidence. And evidence point toward lab leak. However It's politically inconvenient for top medical circle in the US.

 

[barbos]

Covid blew up because of a mutation that made it spread better amongst humans.

Well, the thing is, it was not a single "mutation". It was a bunch of them happening "simultaneously" it seems.

 

[pood]

Did @RVonse vanish from this thread that he started to promote bullshit?

Larry Moran slaps down lab leak theory.

 

[pood]

@RVonse, what is a “biological characteristic that is not found in nature?”

 

[Harry Bosch]

You said I needed to provide evidence zoonotic diseases are common. Now you agree that they are.

No, you needed to provide evidence of COVID natural source in the wild.

That's not the way science works. You are asserting the unusual: that it's not natural. The burden of proof is on you.

There is nothing unusual about lab leaks and accidents. Happens all the time. I heard a few credible second hand (from people in the business) horror stories from the top russian lab dealing with extremely deadly pathogens. I lived near it.

No, that's exactly how science work. We have two plausible hypotheses and tried to select best one using evidence. And evidence point toward lab leak. However It's politically inconvenient for top medical circle in the US.

What is the evidence?

 

[barbos]

You said I needed to provide evidence zoonotic diseases are common. Now you agree that they are.

No, you needed to provide evidence of COVID natural source in the wild.

That's not the way science works. You are asserting the unusual: that it's not natural. The burden of proof is on you.

There is nothing unusual about lab leaks and accidents. Happens all the time. I heard a few credible second hand (from people in the business) horror stories from the top russian lab dealing with extremely deadly pathogens. I lived near it.

No, that's exactly how science work. We have two plausible hypotheses and tried to select best one using evidence. And evidence point toward lab leak. However It's politically inconvenient for top medical circle in the US.

What is the evidence?

Lack of evidence of natural source is the evidence of lab leak.

 

[bilby]

What is the evidence?

Lack of evidence of natural source is the evidence of lab leak.

Lack of evidence of something is never adequate evidence of anything.

 

[barbos]

What is the evidence?

Lack of evidence of natural source is the evidence of lab leak.

Lack of evidence of something is never adequate evidence of anything.

So it IS evidence, just not "adequate".
What is your evidence of natural source?

 

[bilby]

What is the evidence?

Lack of evidence of natural source is the evidence of lab leak.

Lack of evidence of something is never adequate evidence of anything.

So it IS evidence, just not "adequate".

Yup. Completely and utterly inadequate. I am glad you agree.

What is your evidence of natural source?

I don't have the burden of proof. Natural viruses become problematic all the fucking time. Zoonoses are the most common form of novel disease in humans by far. You are the one spruiking an implausible hypothesis, and you just agreed that you have only inadequate evidence to support it.

You can at this stage either accept that you are wrong, or accept that you are a wild conspiracy theorist who nobody should trust in the slightest.

Based on your form in other discussions, I presume you will go with the latter. Because you appear not only not to care about facts, but indeed to actively strive to cause others to doubt the obvious, in favour of conspiracist nonsense.

 

[barbos]

I don't have the burden of proof.

Actually you do. And people who searched for that evidence and failed thought that too.

Yup. Completely and utterly inadequate. I am glad you agree.

That's your opinion.

 

[barbos]

Based on your form in other discussions, I presume you will go with the latter. Because you appear not only not to care about facts,

You are projecting yourself on others.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

You said I needed to provide evidence zoonotic diseases are common. Now you agree that they are.

No, you needed to provide evidence of COVID natural source in the wild.

That's not the way science works. You are asserting the unusual: that it's not natural. The burden of proof is on you.

There is nothing unusual about lab leaks and accidents. Happens all the time. I heard a few credible second hand (from people in the business) horror stories from the top russian lab dealing with extremely deadly pathogens. I lived near it.

No, that's exactly how science work. We have two plausible hypotheses and tried to select best one using evidence. And evidence point toward lab leak. However It's politically inconvenient for top medical circle in the US.

What is the evidence?

Lack of evidence of natural source is the evidence of lab leak.

The Wet Market was the evidence. The outbreak near the Wet Market is the evidence. The virus evolved as was expected, by the numbers, trading off virulence for transmissivity. This isn't proof, but it sure the heck is evidence of a natural outbreak.

The fact this disease wasn't particularly deadly isn't evidence of lab leak. There was little consensus that the virus was modified after review, which also speaks against a lab leak. Again, not proof, but the evidence for a lab leak isn't strong. And a lab leak (or FOREIGN SOURCE) is old school pandemic paranoia bullshit.

 

[Harry Bosch]

You said I needed to provide evidence zoonotic diseases are common. Now you agree that they are.

No, you needed to provide evidence of COVID natural source in the wild.

That's not the way science works. You are asserting the unusual: that it's not natural. The burden of proof is on you.

There is nothing unusual about lab leaks and accidents. Happens all the time. I heard a few credible second hand (from people in the business) horror stories from the top russian lab dealing with extremely deadly pathogens. I lived near it.

No, that's exactly how science work. We have two plausible hypotheses and tried to select best one using evidence. And evidence point toward lab leak. However It's politically inconvenient for top medical circle in the US.

What is the evidence?

Lack of evidence of natural source is the evidence of lab leak.

The Wet Market was the evidence. The outbreak near the Wet Market is the evidence. The virus evolved as was expected, by the numbers, trading off virulence for transmissivity. This isn't proof, but it sure the heck is evidence of a natural outbreak.

The fact this disease wasn't particularly deadly isn't evidence of lab leak. There was little consensus that the virus was modified after review, which also speaks against a lab leak. Again, not proof, but the evidence for a lab leak isn't strong. And a lab leak (or FOREIGN SOURCE) is old school pandemic paranoia bullshit.

Well put. Again, from what I read, most people stack the odds that it is lab created at 33%; 66% natural. But we'll probably never know for sure. The interesting part to me is why it is so important to right wingers that it is lab created?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Indeed. Many of the lab leak folk have both insisted Covid wasn't a big deal, Government overstepped its bounds, stole our freedom and THIS IS ALL CHINA'S AND FAUCI'S FAULT!!!!

 

[barbos]

You said I needed to provide evidence zoonotic diseases are common. Now you agree that they are.

No, you needed to provide evidence of COVID natural source in the wild.

That's not the way science works. You are asserting the unusual: that it's not natural. The burden of proof is on you.

There is nothing unusual about lab leaks and accidents. Happens all the time. I heard a few credible second hand (from people in the business) horror stories from the top russian lab dealing with extremely deadly pathogens. I lived near it.

No, that's exactly how science work. We have two plausible hypotheses and tried to select best one using evidence. And evidence point toward lab leak. However It's politically inconvenient for top medical circle in the US.

What is the evidence?

Lack of evidence of natural source is the evidence of lab leak.

The Wet Market was the evidence. The outbreak near the Wet Market is the evidence. The virus evolved as was expected, by the numbers, trading off virulence for transmissivity. This isn't proof, but it sure the heck is evidence of a natural outbreak.

The fact this disease wasn't particularly deadly isn't evidence of lab leak. There was little consensus that the virus was modified after review, which also speaks against a lab leak. Again, not proof, but the evidence for a lab leak isn't strong. And a lab leak (or FOREIGN SOURCE) is old school pandemic paranoia bullshit.

You are being partisan.

 

[barbos]

Indeed. Many of the lab leak folk have both insisted Covid wasn't a big deal, Government overstepped its bounds, stole our freedom and THIS IS ALL CHINA'S AND FAUCI'S FAULT!!!!

Irrelevant. And I am not one of them.

 

[barbos]

You said I needed to provide evidence zoonotic diseases are common. Now you agree that they are.

No, you needed to provide evidence of COVID natural source in the wild.

That's not the way science works. You are asserting the unusual: that it's not natural. The burden of proof is on you.

There is nothing unusual about lab leaks and accidents. Happens all the time. I heard a few credible second hand (from people in the business) horror stories from the top russian lab dealing with extremely deadly pathogens. I lived near it.

No, that's exactly how science work. We have two plausible hypotheses and tried to select best one using evidence. And evidence point toward lab leak. However It's politically inconvenient for top medical circle in the US.

What is the evidence?

Lack of evidence of natural source is the evidence of lab leak.

The Wet Market was the evidence. The outbreak near the Wet Market is the evidence. The virus evolved as was expected, by the numbers, trading off virulence for transmissivity. This isn't proof, but it sure the heck is evidence of a natural outbreak.

The fact this disease wasn't particularly deadly isn't evidence of lab leak. There was little consensus that the virus was modified after review, which also speaks against a lab leak. Again, not proof, but the evidence for a lab leak isn't strong. And a lab leak (or FOREIGN SOURCE) is old school pandemic paranoia bullshit.

Well put. Again, from what I read, most people stack the odds that it is lab created at 33%; 66% natural. But we'll probably never know for sure. The interesting part to me is why it is so important to right wingers that it is lab created?

I am not a right winger. Knowing the truth is important in order to prevent future fuckups.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Well put. Again, from what I read, most people stack the odds that it is lab created at 33%; 66% natural. But we'll probably never know for sure. The interesting part to me is why it is so important to right wingers that it is lab created?

I am not a right winger. Knowing the truth is important in order to prevent future fuckups.

If it was a lab leak, I'm certain China has addressed the issue, seeing how badly it impacted China and its Government.

Indeed. Many of the lab leak folk have both insisted Covid wasn't a big deal, Government overstepped its bounds, stole our freedom and THIS IS ALL CHINA'S AND FAUCI'S FAULT!!!!

Irrelevant. And I am not one of them.

Dude, that is so vain, you apparently thought that post was about you.

 

[barbos]

Dude, that is so vain, you apparently thought that post was about you.

I know you know that I am not a right winger. You are so vain, you think you are the only one who reads this forum.

If it was a lab leak, I'm certain China has addressed the issue,

You would think that. But I think they swept it under the rug, for political reasons.