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No, HAMAS wants to continue the conflict. Gazans want to fucking eat, and save their kids!
You don't think that Hamas is Gazans?
Do you think enough other Gazans care about that girl enough to force Hamas to release the hostages and stop launching missiles?
Nope.
That's why she'll probably die. Gazans don't care about her.
Tom
Broad brush stroking.
This kind of vague handwaving, on the international scale, is the biggest factor in the GWM ability to continue abusing people like that child.
Tom
 
Please dxo tell us what you would allow Israel to do to get the hostages back and not allow another Oct 7th to occur.
You think Netanyahu gives a crap about the hostages???
He does give a little care since they are Israeli citizens. But probably not as much as you or I would.
It's better for him if they keep the hostages.
As it is for anyone whose goal is to protect Israel from it's violent Muslim terrorist neighbors. As long as the GWM keep holding hostages and launching missiles, as they are doing, hardliners amongst the Zionists will keep attacking the militants and their human shields.
Tom
 
It takes a peculiar mindset to call the young sufferers of acute malnutrition caused by the blockade of food in a ceasefire “human shields”.
 
It takes a peculiar mindset to call the young sufferers of acute malnutrition caused by the blockade of food in a ceasefire “human shields”.
It takes a bizarre mindset to call the current situation in Gaza a ceasefire.

Do you think that the Gazans who launched the missiles at Israel last month gave a rats ass about some hungry kids? Or do you think that they have more important things to do, like keep their grip on power?
Tom
 
It takes a peculiar mindset to call the young sufferers of acute malnutrition caused by the blockade of food in a ceasefire “human shields”.
It takes a bizarre mindset to call the current situation in Gaza a ceasefire.
It was a mutually accepted ceasefire until Israel violated it. Do you have any evidence Hamas is violating the terms of the ceasefire?
TomC said:
Do you think that the Gazans who launched the missiles at Israel last month gave a rats ass about some hungry kids? Or do you think that they have more important things to do, like keep their grip on power?
Tom
Clearly they don’t, but how does that justify causing acute malnutrition among the children in Gaza.
 
It was a mutually accepted ceasefire until Israel violated it. Do you have any evidence Hamas is violating the terms of the ceasefire?
That's not what happened.
Hamas agreed to the first stage and Israel respected that.
Hamas refused to negotiate further and so the ceasefire was over and both sides went back to violence.

You are aware that Gaza launched a missile barrage last month, aren't you? Or do you just ignore news that upsets your views?
Tom
 
It was a mutually accepted ceasefire until Israel violated it. Do you have any evidence Hamas is violating the terms of the ceasefire?
That's not what happened.
Hamas agreed to the first stage and Israel respected that.
Hamas refused to negotiate further and so the ceasefire was over and both sides went back to violence.
I believe are mistaken. Israeli attacked Gaza, then Hamas responded. If you have evidence to the contrary, provide a link to it.

TomC said:
You are aware that Gaza launched a missile barrage last month, aren't you? Or do you just ignore news that upsets your views?
Tom
Projection is a form of narcissism not analysis.

According to the gov’t of Israel, the blockade of food and medical supplies is to force the release of the remaining hostages not to force Hamas out. So your focus on eliminating Hamas is sidestepping this discussion and pointless since no one in this thread supports Hamas.
 
I believe are mistaken. Israeli attacked Gaza, then Hamas responded.
Google "October 7th, 2023", then get back to explaining how Israel attacked Gaza.

You sound like barbos, insisting that Russia was under attack by Ukro-nazis. Or Swiz, insisting that the US is under attack by Mexicans.
Israel did not attack Gaza. IDF responded to a terrorist attack from Gaza.
Tom
 
I believe are mistaken. Israeli attacked Gaza, then Hamas responded.
Google "October 7th, 2023", then get back to explaining how Israel attacked Gaza.
We were discussing the ceasefire which occurred in 2025. You don’t have to feign stupidity to avoid an unpleasant topic, just don’t respond. You know, just like your avoidance of withholding food and medical supplies ro innocent civilians.
 
I believe are mistaken. Israeli attacked Gaza, then Hamas responded.
Google "October 7th, 2023", then get back to explaining how Israel attacked Gaza.
We were discussing the ceasefire which occurred in 2025. You don’t have to feign stupidity to avoid an unpleasant topic, just don’t respond. You know, just like your avoidance of withholding food and medical supplies ro innocent civilians.
At what point might you admit that the starving children problem is a result of Hamas policies?
Tom
 
I believe are mistaken. Israeli attacked Gaza, then Hamas responded.
Google "October 7th, 2023", then get back to explaining how Israel attacked Gaza.
We were discussing the ceasefire which occurred in 2025. You don’t have to feign stupidity to avoid an unpleasant topic, just don’t respond. You know, just like your avoidance of withholding food and medical supplies ro innocent civilians.
At what point might you admit that the starving children problem is a result of Hamas policies?
Tom

It is the result of the gov't of Israel's choice on how to respond to Hamas's hostage holding. Are you under the incredibly stupid illusion that this is the only choice the gov't of Israel had?

The blockade is not achieving the gov't of Israel's stated objective of getting the release of the remaining hostages held by Hamas. It is apparent that you support the blockade. Do you support this blockade to continue until the stated goal is released or is there some point that you would think the blockade will not achieve its stated goal and should be lifted? Please refrain from shifting the goalposts about getting Hamas out of power or blowing smoke about human shields.
 
It is the result of the gov't of Israel's choice on how to respond to Hamas's hostage holding
And as usual,
The international supporters of Islamic terrorists blame Israel for responding to the violence of Gazans.
You are a supporter of religious terrorists. I don't know how you can justify that to yourself!
Tom
 
It is the result of the gov't of Israel's choice on how to respond to Hamas's hostage holding
And as usual,
The international supporters of Islamic terrorists blame Israel for responding to the violence of Gazans.
That's because Israel is responsible for her actions - just as everyone else is.

Being a victim of terrorism does not grant anyone a blank cheque to make an unlimited response.

The use of excessive force in response to a crime is itself a crime.
You are a supporter of religious terrorists. I don't know how you can justify that to yourself!
Tom
You are a simpleton taking a childish binary view of a highly complex situation, and spouting unjustified and illogical conclusions about other people's more nuanced responses, without stopping to think about how utterly absurd your insulting and false accusations are.

I knkw exactly how you can justify that to yourself - you are giving no more thought to this conflict than a one-eyed sports fan gives to a game his favourite team is playing. It's infantile, but it's not hard to understand.

If the referee calls a foul against your team, it is always possible that he is just doing his job, and is not in fact a supporter of your opponents, or a taker of their bribes.
 
That's because Israel is responsible for her actions - just as everyone else is.
Are Gazans responsible for their actions?

About the most dishonest crap in this thread is posters ignoring Gazan violence. Gazans are horribly violent towards both Israelis and other Gazans, but it is politically incorrect to point that out.

There's a child in Gaza starving and Hamas supporters don't care enough to recognize who chose her circumstances. Hamas supporters like the one's on this thread.
Tom
 
That's because Israel is responsible for her actions - just as everyone else is.
Are Gazans responsible for their actions?
Are Gazans part of "everyone else"?

Why are you asking questions I literally just answered, if not because you are so blinded by your unquestioning support for Bibi's war that you cannot even imagine someone rejecting it, without supporting Hamas?
About the most dishonest crap in this thread is posters ignoring Gazan violence.
Well as I have not done that at all, it's irrelevant to this dialogue.
Gazans are horribly violent towards both Israelis and other Gazans
Yes. That doesn't in any way justify their genocide though. It doesn't even justify your lumping them together and treating them as an undifferentiated bloc.

Some Gazans are horribly violent towards Israelis. Some Gazans are horribly violent towards other Gazans. Most Gazans are not horribly violent towards anyone.

, but it is politically incorrect to point that out.
No, it is politically incorrect to use it as an excuse to paint all Gazans as an undifferentiated bloc of horribly violent people who deserve nothing other than death.
There's a child in Gaza starving and Hamas supporters don't care enough to recognize who chose her circumstances.
Maybe so, but most people here can see that the choice of her circumstances lies with both Hamas and Likud. And that the vast majority of both Gazans and Israelis are deeply unhappy at this.
Hamas supporters like the one's on this thread.
Tom
There are no Hamas supporters on this thread. Your infantile idea that opposing Israeli crimes implies support of Hamas crimes is both illogical and insulting, and you seriously need to grow the fuck out of it.
 
It is the result of the gov't of Israel's choice on how to respond to Hamas's hostage holding
And as usual,
The international supporters of Islamic terrorists blame Israel for responding to the violence of Gazans.
You are a supporter of religious terrorists. I don't know how you can justify that to yourself!
Tom
Laugh the fuck out loud.

YOU are a supporter of religious terrorists — the right-wing crypto-fascist Zionist zealot Netanyahu government and his odious coalition who believe that Jay Hovah gave Israel writ over the entire land occupied by Palestinians because of some bullshit written in a book of fairy tales 2,000 years ago. And who STOLE the land they have now from Palestinians in 1948.

NO ONE HERE SU[PPORTS ANY FORM OF TERRORISM AND NO ONE HERE SUPPORTS HAMAS. STOP SLANDERING OTHERS HERE,
 
It is the result of the gov't of Israel's choice on how to respond to Hamas's hostage holding
And as usual,
The international supporters of Islamic terrorists blame Israel for responding to the violence of Gazans.
I stated an accurate description without making a judgment, so your conclusion is false.

I will give you credit that you did answer my question - "Are you under the incredibly stupid illusion that this is the only choice the gov't of Israel had?""


TomC said:
You are a supporter of religious terrorists. I don't know how you can justify that to yourself!
Tom
I don’t support terrorists of any sort.

That delicious irony of that slander overshadows its vileness.
 
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And who STOLE the land they have now from Palestinians in 1948.
A steaming pile of bullshit!

There was no such thing as a "Palestinian" in 1948. At least not the way that term is understood today, as an ethnonym. That was an invention by the PLO much later.
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When it was used back in the 1940s, "Palestinian" merely referred to the inhabitants of the region. Palestine Post was a Jewish newspaper which later became Jerusalem Post.
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Similarly, opponents of Israel wil often claim the "Palestine" vs. Australia soccer match as "proof" that Palestine existed before Israel. But this "Palestine" team was made up of Jewish players.


And the Land of Israel is the historic homeland of the Jewish people. It is not the homeland of Arabs. "Palestine" is the Roman word for the region, a bastardization of Philistia which were not a Semitic people in the first place, but most likely descendants of the Sea Peoples that moved into what is now Gaza and southern coastal plain of Israel after the Bronze Age collapse.
Why would a native population call themselves by a colonial name, much less one that starts with a letter/sound that does not exist in their language? Same goes for the Arab name for Shechem, which is Nablus. That is a bastardization of "Neopolis" (new city). And note the change from 'p' to 'b' since Arabic does not have 'p'.
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In reality, there was no State of Palestine that these dastardly Jews stole land from. In fact, the last time this land was governed by the inhabitants themselves and not by a foreign empire was the Hasmonean Kingdom of Israel. Not of Palestine. Imagine that.
NO ONE HERE SU[PPORTS ANY FORM OF TERRORISM AND NO ONE HERE SUPPORTS HAMAS. STOP SLANDERING OTHERS HERE,
Arctish keeps talking about how much Hamas cares about the prosperity of ordinary Gazans.
 
That's because Israel is responsible for her actions - just as everyone else is.
Are Gazans responsible for their actions?

About the most dishonest crap in this thread is posters ignoring Gazan violence. Gazans are horribly violent towards both Israelis and other Gazans, but it is politically incorrect to point that out.

There's a child in Gaza starving and Hamas supporters don't care enough to recognize who chose her circumstances. Hamas supporters like the one's on this thread.
Tom
Groundhog Day!!!
 
It is the result of the gov't of Israel's choice on how to respond to Hamas's hostage holding
And as usual,
The international supporters of Islamic terrorists blame Israel for responding to the violence of Gazans.
You are a supporter of religious terrorists. I don't know how you can justify that to yourself!
Tom
Israel's against international law attempt to punish the Gazans en masse has failed to release the remaining hostages. That was supposed to be the whole point of this. Instead, you seem more interested in punishing people in ways that violate international law rather than actually achieving the release of the hostages.
 
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