Legal definition of woman is based on biological sex, UK supreme court rules

[Bomb#20]

Trans man uses women's restroom to follow the law. Police detained him for it anyway. - LGBTQ Nation

No one was in the restroom while he was peeing... but then a man busted in and demanded he leave immediately. Then things got worse...

www.lgbtqnation.com

Well, looks like here we are, right where I knew we would end up. Loren also called it.

"End up"? Try right where we started out. The LGBTQ Nation staffer who wrote that headline either didn't bother reading the article or else deliberately misrepresented what happened.

"South Carolina doesn’t have a law restricting trans bathroom use in businesses...
When Strobel entered the men’s room, he found that it only had three urinals with no dividers between them and no lock on the door, making it unable for him to use. "​

Strobel didn't use the women's room to follow the law but because the men's room sucked.

Of course. There's no other way for it to go. You whip everyone up about male-looking people in the women's bathroom, then require some male-looking people to use the women's restroom. This can only lead to the abuse, assault, rape, and legal or illegal arrest of trans people.

And it's all the work of people who will look you straight in the eye, and insist with perfect honesty that they bear no ill will to trans people and never meant for anyone to get hurt. As they go actively out of their way to support a political agenda that gets trans people hurt.

It wasn't a political agenda that got Strobel hurt -- nobody required male-looking people to use the women's restroom. This could have gone down the same way ever since ladies' rooms became a thing around 1900. Asshole bar owners and asshole cops aren't a new thing.

This whole popular presumption that keeping men out of the women's room requires us to also keep women out of the men's room is idiotic. It's on a level with barring women from competing in men's sports because men have an unfair advantage in women's sports. It's on a level with assuming if we're going to have an affirmative action program to benefit black people in some profession then we also have to have a second affirmative action program to benefit white people in some other profession.

 

[Politesse]

It wasn't a political agenda that got Strobel hurt -- nobody required male-looking people to use the women's restroom. This could have gone down the same way ever since ladies' rooms became a thing around 1900. Asshole bar owners and asshole cops aren't a new thing.

Pop quiz: What legal decision is this thread about?

 

[Bomb#20]

It wasn't a political agenda that got Strobel hurt -- nobody required male-looking people to use the women's restroom. This could have gone down the same way ever since ladies' rooms became a thing around 1900. Asshole bar owners and asshole cops aren't a new thing.

Pop quiz: What legal decision is this thread about?

Cooper v. Aaron - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[seanie]

Since you bring it up so forcefully, why do you believe that men do not also deserve dignity, privacy, safety, or fairness just as much as anyone else? I see no reason to deny any of those qualities to

Where did I say they didn’t?

But the issue is asymmetrical. Women do not pose the same threat to men, as men do to women. Men are not put at an unfair disadvantage having g to compete against women in sport.

So, whilst single sex spaces may be desirable for both males and females, in practice it’s of more value to females than males.

Hence the use of the word “mostly”.

Do you require any other blindingly obvious things be explained to you?

 

[seanie]

They want to beat you to death. You don't want them to beat you at all. Clearly, the reasonable compromise is for them to beat you half to death.

Requiring males to stay out of female only spaces is not equivalent to wanting to beat anyone to death.

You’re being silly.

 

[seanie]

What fucking middle ground is that? Who is advocating for a "middle ground" for trans people? The bigots have the police on their side. Trans people have jack shit nothing, when they get assaulted they get arrested. How is that a middle ground? Between what two points is it the middle location between? Tulsa and Dachau?

The middle ground would be pretty much the status quo under the Equality Act.

Trans people are protected from unfair discrimination and harassment under the protected characteristic of Gender Reassignment, but when it comes to those situations where sex matters, they are excluded from spaces that don’t accord with their sex.

 

[bigfield]

What fucking middle ground is that? Who is advocating for a "middle ground" for trans people? The bigots have the police on their side. Trans people have jack shit nothing, when they get assaulted they get arrested. How is that a middle ground? Between what two points is it the middle location between? Tulsa and Dachau?

The middle ground would be pretty much the status quo under the Equality Act.

Trans people are protected from unfair discrimination and harassment under the protected characteristic of Gender Reassignment, but when it comes to those situations where sex matters, they are excluded from spaces that don’t accord with their sex.

In this "middle ground", trans men are forced to use women's restrooms and locker rooms, because they're excluded from men's spaces.

Anyone who sees a trans man go into the women's restroom, anyone who encounters him in the restroom, is just going to see a man entering the women's restroom.

And as you have pointed out, people will see that as threat to women's safety.

Which raises some questions:

• How do you see that sort of situation playing out?
• How do you expect trans people to use sex-segregated spaces without attracting trouble?
• How is it better than simply letting trans men use the men's restroom?

 

[laughing dog]

Scotland is about to have the same problem, an explosion of social unrest and legally challenged arrests that will drain their treasury and accomplish nothing.

How is a tiny minority going to cause an explosion in social unrest?

From your hysterical responses, they already have or were poised to if the ruling went the other way.

 

[seanie]

Hysterical?

In what way?

 

[TomC]

Since you bring it up so forcefully, why do you believe that men do not also deserve dignity, privacy, safety, or fairness just as much as anyone else? I see no reason to deny any of those qualities to

Where did I say they didn’t?

But the issue is asymmetrical. Women do not pose the same threat to men, as men do to women. Men are not put at an unfair disadvantage having g to compete against women in sport.

So, whilst single sex spaces may be desirable for both males and females, in practice it’s of more value to females than males.

Hence the use of the word “mostly”.

Do you require any other blindingly obvious things be explained to you?

Ironic isn't it?
People complaining about patriarchy and special rights for males are demanding that males be entitled to use of the women's restroom!
Tom

 

[laughing dog]

Hysterical?

In what way?

Go ask the trees while you determining their sex.

 

[TomC]

Hysterical?

In what way?

Go ask the trees while you determining their sex.

That's the kind of ideological nonsense that makes you look like an idiot to me.

I'm a dude. I've watered a lot of trees. You want to know the sex of the trees I was taking a whiz on.
Makes you look like an ideological idiot to me. A trans activist who doesn't care about the human situation overall, only your ideology.
Tom

 

[laughing dog]

Hysterical?

In what way?

Go ask the trees while you determining their sex.

That's the kind of ideological nonsense that makes you look like an idiot to me.

I'm a dude. I've watered a lot of trees. You want to know the sex of the trees I was taking a whiz on.
Makes you look like an ideological idiot to me. A trans activist who doesn't care about the human situation overall, only your ideology.
Tom

Bless your heart. The irony in that response overwhelms its cluelessness and willful ignorance. I’m not the one with multiple posts asking about determining the sex of trees.

A “trans activist” because I think transwomen who have a complete physical transformation should be viewed and treated ad a woman in public institutions in order to protect them from abuse?

 

[Politesse]

It wasn't a political agenda that got Strobel hurt -- nobody required male-looking people to use the women's restroom. This could have gone down the same way ever since ladies' rooms became a thing around 1900. Asshole bar owners and asshole cops aren't a new thing.

Pop quiz: What legal decision is this thread about?

Cooper v. Aaron - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Wrong, though relevant in its own way. Forcing biracial children to "pick a race" and get savagely beaten by "citizen police" no matter which they chose was a common problem with race-segregated schools also.

 

[TomC]

Hysterical?

In what way?

Go ask the trees while you determining their sex.

That's the kind of ideological nonsense that makes you look like an idiot to me.

I'm a dude. I've watered a lot of trees. You want to know the sex of the trees I was taking a whiz on.
Makes you look like an ideological idiot to me. A trans activist who doesn't care about the human situation overall, only your ideology.
Tom

Bless your heart. The irony in that response overwhelms its cluelessness and willful ignorance. I’m not the one with multiple posts asking about determining the sex of trees.

And once again,
An ideological activist makes up a bunch of bullshit because reality doesn't work for them.

So I'll ask,
Laughing dog, who is the one with multiple posts asking about determining the sex of trees?
Tom

 

[Politesse]

Where did I say they didn’t?

If girls have more of a right to safety and dignity than boys, then boys have less of a right to safety and dignity than girls.

 

[Politesse]

But the issue is asymmetrical. Women do not pose the same threat to men, as men do to women. Men are not put at an unfair disadvantage having g to compete against women in sport.

Would you support legislation to force soldiers and ex-soldiers to use segregated gyms and bathrooms, since they are trained in both firearms and melee combat, and thus obviously pose more of a threat to others than civilians? They also commit FAR more violent sex crimes than non-veterans, a fact that is long known and clearly documented, unlike your spurious allegations against trans women. It seems to me that to have the ability to kill someone with your hands is far more of a "unfair advantage" over someone who hasn't got that, than is being two inches taller or posessing an adam's apple.

 

[laughing dog]

So I'll ask,
Laughing dog, who is the one with multiple posts asking about determining the sex of trees?
Tom

I guess the reality of reasoning from contest is too difficult for you. Post #1132, #1266, #1269 and #1276 by seanie,. That is four posts which makes it multiple posts.

And I will repeat my question that you avoided with your response in the vain hope of getting a relevant response.
A “trans activist” because I think transwomen who have a complete physical transformation should be viewed and treated ad a woman in public institutions in order to protect them from abuse?

 

[seanie]

No, it’s just not quite so pressing an issue, mostly.

 

[seanie]

A “trans activist” because I think transwomen who have a complete physical transformation should be viewed and treated ad a woman in public institutions in order to protect them from abuse?

What do you mean by “complete”?

Given we’ve been told anyone who considers themselves to be a woman is one?

Is “considering” sufficient to make a male female.

Specificity would help.