Legal definition of woman is based on biological sex, UK supreme court rules

[Toni]

Nobody said the .02% don’t matter. I’m just pointing out that ambiguity about a baby’s biological sex is very rare. It’s usually correctly observed at the 12 week scan.

And frankly, it could be twice that much and it would still be a small fraction of a percent.
Tom

And those people would still matter just as much as anyone else.

I agree.
It's people like Politesse who don't think people matter if they don't agree with his gender ideology that are the problem. I'm nothing like a woman. But I care about them, and care about the concerns that they have. Even if I can't identify with them personally because I am not a woman.

It's the trans activist ideologues who are telling me what women need to accept because men want it!
Fuck those guys.
Tom

You are grossly misrepresenting Politesse.

If you cannot identify with someone because they are unlike you in some fundamental way, that is something you need to work on.

 

[seanie]

Identifying with people, recognising common humanity, and affording them respect, does not require believing what they believe.

 

[TomC]

You are grossly misrepresenting Politesse.

If you cannot identify with someone because they are unlike you in some fundamental way, that is something you need to work on.

How am I misrepresenting Politesse? I quote him and he objects. What are you talking about?

I am talking about supporting the rights and listening to the concerns of people unlike me in a very fundamental way.
Women.

It's Politesse who refuses to accept that they have feelings and concerns that he doesn't care about. You might not think he needs to work on that. I do think he should, but I don't expect him to any more than I expect a hard core creationist to work on biology.
Tom

 

[Politesse]

How am I misrepresenting Politesse?

By repeatedly lying about who I am, what I've said, what I believe, what political positions I support, and how I treat other people.

 

[TomC]

How am I misrepresenting Politesse?

By lying about who I am, what I've said, what I believe, and how I treat other people.

I quoted you.
Tom

 

[Politesse]

I mean be serious, the government holds vast amounts of data about people, including their sex. It matters for healthcare, taxation, benefits etc.

I'm not talking about all of that. I'm talking about "biological sex". How does a government determine it, and how can a person accused of a sex related crime challenge it if they feel the government has mischaracterized their sex?

 

[Politesse]

How am I misrepresenting Politesse?

By lying about who I am, what I've said, what I believe, and how I treat other people.

I quoted you.
Tom

No, you lied and claimed I said a bunch of things that in fact I did not.

 

[seanie]

Oh the irony…

 

[TomC]

How am I misrepresenting Politesse?

By lying about who I am, what I've said, what I believe, and how I treat other people.

I quoted you.
Tom

No, you lied and claimed I said a bunch of things that in fact I did not.

I quoted you.
Then you pretended that you didn't mean what you said. Tom

 

[TSwizzle]

Identifying with people, recognising common humanity, and affording them respect, does not require believing what they believe.

In some cases, they do not deserve respect.



Why should women have to put up with this lot in their changing rooms?

 

[seanie]

Do you know Sarah Jane Bakers background?

 

[Jarhyn]

Trans man uses women's restroom to follow the law. Police detained him for it anyway. - LGBTQ Nation

No one was in the restroom while he was peeing... but then a man busted in and demanded he leave immediately. Then things got worse...

www.lgbtqnation.com

Well, looks like here we are, right where I knew we would end up. Loren also called it.

 

[scombrid]

You are grossly misrepresenting Politesse.

If you cannot identify with someone because they are unlike you in some fundamental way, that is something you need to work on.

How am I misrepresenting Politesse? I quote him and he objects. What are you talking about?

I am talking about supporting the rights and listening to the concerns of people unlike me in a very fundamental way.
Women.

It's Politesse who refuses to accept that they have feelings and concerns that he doesn't care about. You might not think he needs to work on that. I do think he should, but I don't expect him to any more than I expect a hard core creationist to work on biology.
Tom

Maybe I should start ignoring the concerns of the gays. Taking Matt Schlapp as an example I really don’t want them sharing a bathroom or locker room with me. The risk of assault is too high. They just can’t help themselves.

 

[Politesse]

Of course. There's no other way for it to go. You whip everyone up about male-looking people in the women's bathroom, then require some male-looking people to use the women's restroom. This can only lead to the abuse, assault, rape, and legal or illegal arrest of trans people.

And it's all the work of people who will look you straight in the eye, and insist with perfect honesty that they bear no ill will to trans people and never meant for anyone to get hurt. As they go actively out of their way to support a political agenda that gets trans people hurt.

 

[bilby]

And it's all the work of people who will look you straight in the eye, and insist with perfect honesty that they bear no ill will to trans people and never meant for anyone to get hurt. As they go actively out of their way to support a political agenda that gets trans people hurt.

To be fair, they are also claiming to protect the women, none of whom had yet been harmed in any way, but who they fear might possibly be harmed in some imaginary fashion, if action isn't taken that will definitely harm trans people in a very non-imaginary fashion.

 

[seanie]

There are some situations where a person’s sex does actually matter. Because other people have a right to dignity, privacy, safety, and fairness. And when I say other people, I mostly mean women and girls.

There is a reasonable middle ground, whereby people who identify as other than the sex they are, are afforded protection from unjust discrimination, unfair treatment, harassment etc. whilst recognising that a person’s sex still matters in some circumstances.

Single sex spaces do not exist to validate the feelings of people who are not the sex they consider themselves to be.

 

[bilby]

In some cases, they do not deserve respect.

... therefore, in no case do they deserve respect.

Or is that not the conclusion you are too frightened to actually post, because it would expose you as a bigot? Is there another inference that you hoped we might draw from your statement of the obvious?

And it is obvious. For any group of sufficient size, no matter how respectable their shared objective, there will be some members who act in ways that are unworthy of respect.

 

[Politesse]

And when I say other people, I mostly mean women and girls.

Since you bring it up so forcefully, why do you believe that men do not also deserve dignity, privacy, safety, or fairness just as much as anyone else? I see no reason to deny any of those qualities to any citizen.

 

[Politesse]

There is a reasonable middle ground, whereby people who identify as other than the sex they are, are afforded protection from unjust discrimination, unfair treatment, harassment etc. whilst recognising that a person’s sex still matters in some circumstances.

What fucking middle ground is that? Who is advocating for a "middle ground" for trans people? The bigots have the police on their side. Trans people have jack shit nothing, when they get assaulted they get arrested. How is that a middle ground? Between what two points is it the middle location between? Tulsa and Dachau?

 

[bilby]

How is that a middle ground?

They want to beat you to death. You don't want them to beat you at all. Clearly, the reasonable compromise is for them to beat you half to death.