Legal definition of woman is based on biological sex, UK supreme court rules

[ZiprHead]

How come when public places decide they have to have a gender-neutral restroom but they don't want to spring for the cost of building a third restroom, so they instead just relabel one of the existing two, it's invariably the women's room that gets redesignated? I've seen any number of places with a men's room and an all-gender room but no women's room; I don't recall ever seeing a women's room next to an all-gender room with no men's room. It's not just my imagination; I googled and found other people have noticed this too.

ETA some explanations I saw on reddit...

I guess men need safe spaces but women don't /s​

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Because of the the two genders: men and non-men. You are either a big strong man or a mystery creature. /s​

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"Are you a man or one of those political genders?" /s​

How about just replacing wall urinals with floor toilets being very expensive being part of the deciding factor? No nefarious intentions needed.

 

[seanie]

So does seanie's stupid questions.

In what way are they stupid?

Can you explain?

For example...

Do elaborate.

 

[laughing dog]

Not with the words individully, just like I suspect you have no problem with the words “complete”, “physical” and “transformation”.

If you are saying a serious person is someone who is not engaging meaningfully, then you are begging the question because who decides what “engaging meaningfully” means?

For example, I suspect you feel you are a serious person who is engaging meaningfully, but I believe there are at least 2 participants who think your incessant nitpicking questions represent meaningless engagement. Which would mean you are not a serious person in their view.

You could just explain, in detail, what exactly you mean by “complete physical transformation”?

Instead of avoiding it.

Clearly you do not wish to engage in a meaningful fashion. Why should I waste time and effort on a person who is not serious?
Bomb#20 got the meaning and you agreed with his interpretation!!!!!


FFS, you need the words “complete”, “physical” and “transformation “ defined. You hound definitions of others while avoiding defining your terms.

 

[ZiprHead]

Makes her look to me like a woman with above-average willingness to take matters into her own hands instead of just knuckling under to whatever misery men decide to impose on women, like men expect typical women to do. Of course when men need a word for such an atypical woman, it will be derogatory.

Oh, good lord. A man possibly hearing a woman pee is now having misery imposed on her!!!

I can't...

I just can't...

Have you considered the merits of deciding what imposes misery on women by getting input from some female brains instead of just from your male brain?

My wife informs me that all her female friends hate co-ed public restrooms. IIRC you're married; you might try asking your wife whether her female friends like them. (You could ask them yourself, but a lot of women will say things to other women that they wouldn't say to a man.)

How about instead of completely changing the question at hand you ask your wife if she experiences misery if a man hears her pee? Let me know if she laughs at you or just slaps your face.

 

[Toni]

How come when public places decide they have to have a gender-neutral restroom but they don't want to spring for the cost of building a third restroom, so they instead just relabel one of the existing two, it's invariably the women's room that gets redesignated? I've seen any number of places with a men's room and an all-gender room but no women's room; I don't recall ever seeing a women's room next to an all-gender room with no men's room. It's not just my imagination; I googled and found other people have noticed this too.

ETA some explanations I saw on reddit...

I guess men need safe spaces but women don't /s​

​

Because of the the two genders: men and non-men. You are either a big strong man or a mystery creature. /s​

​

"Are you a man or one of those political genders?" /s​

How about just replacing wall urinals with floor toilets being very expensive being part of the deciding factor? No nefarious intentions needed.

Nefarious? Probably not.

Never considering for a single nanosecond anything other than a straight cis male’s perspective? 99.999% possible.

 

[ZiprHead]

Not with the words individully, just like I suspect you have no problem with the words “complete”, “physical” and “transformation”.

If you are saying a serious person is someone who is not engaging meaningfully, then you are begging the question because who decides what “engaging meaningfully” means?

For example, I suspect you feel you are a serious person who is engaging meaningfully, but I believe there are at least 2 participants who think your incessant nitpicking questions represent meaningless engagement. Which would mean you are not a serious person in their view.

You could just explain, in detail, what exactly you mean by “complete physical transformation”?

Instead of avoiding it.

Clearly you do not wish to engage in a meaningful fashion. Why should I waste time and effort on a person who is not serious? FFS, you need the words “complete”, “physical” and “transformation “ defined. You hound definitions of others while avoiding defining your terms.

Oh, but seanie IS the serious one. You can tell by when he tells others to "fuck off". I mean, gee, you can't get much more serious than that.

 

[Toni]

Imagine believing mg on a first date with a woman you find highly attractive. During the course of dinner, you realize you really need to take a dump—office taco Tuesday strikes hard! And when you excuse yourself for the restroom, she says she needs to powder her nose, too!

How comfortable will you be if she checks herself into the stall next to you?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

How come when public places decide they have to have a gender-neutral restroom but they don't want to spring for the cost of building a third restroom, so they instead just relabel one of the existing two, it's invariably the women's room that gets redesignated?

Is it? I've never seen a male and a gender neutral bathroom anywhere. I'm in NE Ohio, that might be why. Typically third bathrooms are "family" and there is never not a women's bathroom.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Imagine believing mg on a first date with a woman you find highly attractive. During the course of dinner, you realize you really need to take a dump—office taco Tuesday strikes hard! And when you excuse yourself for the restroom, she says she needs to powder her nose, too!

How comfortable will you be if she checks herself into the stall next to you?

Depends on whether where she works has a similar Taco Tuesday policy.

 

[ZiprHead]

Imagine believing mg on a first date with a woman you find highly attractive. During the course of dinner, you realize you really need to take a dump—office taco Tuesday strikes hard! And when you excuse yourself for the restroom, she says she needs to powder her nose, too!

How comfortable will you be if she checks herself into the stall next to you?

I can't speak for anyone else but I do mercy flushes for others no matter who is next to me. I would hope the person next to me would do the same.

 

[TomC]

How about instead of completely changing the question at hand you ask your wife if she experiences misery if a man hears her pee? Let me know if she laughs at you or just slaps your face.

Completely changing the question at hand? He's dragging it back to the point. Women's attitudes towards sharing the restroom with males.
You're the one who changed the subject to one particular person who had a problem with coed restrooms without knowing why.
Tom

 

[TomC]

How come when public places decide they have to have a gender-neutral restroom but they don't want to spring for the cost of building a third restroom, so they instead just relabel one of the existing two, it's invariably the women's room that gets redesignated?

Is it? I've never seen a male and a gender neutral bathroom anywhere. I'm in NE Ohio, that might be why. Typically third bathrooms are "family" and there is never not a women's bathroom.

Closest I know about are a couple of big public institutions, the county hospital and library.
Both used to have matched sets of small (2 max) restrooms scattered around. One labeled women and one men. Only difference was the women's had two stalls, the men's one stall and a urinal.
Both institutions upgraded several years ago, but all that they changed was adding baby stations to the men's room. And the signs became "Restroom. Please latch door.". I still knew which one had the urinal, which was all I was ever interested in.

Also, a small church I knew out in the county had a brilliant plan when they built their new church. The front doors opened into a entrance way. To one side was the sanctuary, the other way led to the rest of the building. Just around the corner to the rest of the building were a pair of small (max 2) sex segregated restrooms, handy to the front doors and the sanctuary. Much further back, in-between the fellowship hall and the offices, was a much bigger family style restroom. Two urinals, three regular stalls, and one huge stall (big enough for a wheelchair, helper, and it's own sink). It's a perfect setup for everyone. But it was new construction and a smallish community were pretty much everyone knew everyone.

It's so much about context.
Tom

 

[ZiprHead]

How about instead of completely changing the question at hand you ask your wife if she experiences misery if a man hears her pee? Let me know if she laughs at you or just slaps your face.

Completely changing the question at hand? He's dragging it back to the point. Women's attitudes towards sharing the restroom with males.
You're the one who changed the subject to one particular person who had a problem with coed restrooms without knowing why.
Tom

You are absolutely right. That was the only aspect I addressed. And that's why I have not addressed any other aspect of the conversation. It's you others who want to drag me into the other aspects even though I never addressed any of those other aspects. You are the ones trying to drag me into a conversation I do not want to have. Check yourself.

 

[TomC]

How about instead of completely changing the question at hand you ask your wife if she experiences misery if a man hears her pee? Let me know if she laughs at you or just slaps your face.

Completely changing the question at hand? He's dragging it back to the point. Women's attitudes towards sharing the restroom with males.
You're the one who changed the subject to one particular person who had a problem with coed restrooms without knowing why.
Tom

You are absolutely right. That was the only aspect I addressed. And that's why I have not addressed any other aspect of the conversation. It's you others who want to drag me into the other aspects even though I never addressed any of those other aspects. You are the ones trying to drag me into a conversation I do not want to have. Check yourself.

Got it.
Back to the sarcasm and evasion. I'll presume it's because you don't want to discuss women's attitudes towards sharing public restrooms with strange men.
Tom

 

[ZiprHead]

How about instead of completely changing the question at hand you ask your wife if she experiences misery if a man hears her pee? Let me know if she laughs at you or just slaps your face.

Completely changing the question at hand? He's dragging it back to the point. Women's attitudes towards sharing the restroom with males.
You're the one who changed the subject to one particular person who had a problem with coed restrooms without knowing why.
Tom

You are absolutely right. That was the only aspect I addressed. And that's why I have not addressed any other aspect of the conversation. It's you others who want to drag me into the other aspects even though I never addressed any of those other aspects. You are the ones trying to drag me into a conversation I do not want to have. Check yourself.

Got it.
Back to the sarcasm and evasion. I'll presume it's because you don't want to discuss women's attitudes towards sharing public restrooms with strange men.
Tom

Bullshit. I have already specifically stated I supported women's rights to their own private spaces such as toilets and locker rooms. You have made huge assumptions about me because I made comments about one woman who litterally curtained off her car so a man could not hear her pee.

 

[Bomb#20]

How come when public places decide they have to have a gender-neutral restroom but they don't want to spring for the cost of building a third restroom, so they instead just relabel one of the existing two, it's invariably the women's room that gets redesignated? I've seen any number of places with a men's room and an all-gender room but no women's room; I don't recall ever seeing a women's room next to an all-gender room with no men's room. It's not just my imagination; I googled and found other people have noticed this too.

ETA some explanations I saw on reddit...

I guess men need safe spaces but women don't /s​

​

Because of the the two genders: men and non-men. You are either a big strong man or a mystery creature. /s​

​

"Are you a man or one of those political genders?" /s​

How about just replacing wall urinals with floor toilets being very expensive being part of the deciding factor? No nefarious intentions needed.

Hmm. That could well be the deciding factor, yes; but that just raises a follow-up question: why on god's green earth would anybody who isn't a complete idiot think not having urinals is an important feature in an all-gender restroom? Whoever made that decision -- and it's a decision that must have been made hundreds of times independently -- knew "all-gender" means all genders, right? And they knew that "men" is a gender, right? And they knew that men use urinals, right? So why the bejesus wouldn't an all-gender restroom need fixtures some of its users are going to use? So what the hell was going on in the deciders' minds to make them think if they slapped an "all-gender" sign on a door in place of a "men" sign then they'd have to rip out the urinals and put in more toilets? Can anybody walk me through that one?

Nefarious? Probably not.

Never considering for a single nanosecond anything other than a straight cis male’s perspective? 99.999% possible.

Now that explanation makes sense. Either because men value their single-sex facility, and why would men give up what men value when men have the option of making non-men give up what men don't value, or, alternately, because women take longer in the restroom so there's a queue, and why would a man want to run the risk of having to wait for a stall because some women decided not to wait their turns in the ladies' room? Not sure those motives don't count as nefarious though.

How come when public places decide they have to have a gender-neutral restroom but they don't want to spring for the cost of building a third restroom, so they instead just relabel one of the existing two, it's invariably the women's room that gets redesignated?

Is it? I've never seen a male and a gender neutral bathroom anywhere. I'm in NE Ohio, that might be why. Typically third bathrooms are "family" and there is never not a women's bathroom.

Sure, they have those three-bathroom setups in California too in some places, and it's good for everybody. But a lot of places only have two. If three is the norm in Ohio, lucky you!

 

[Toni]

Men do not need to use urinals. Men are perfectly capable of taking the time to enter a bathroom stall, closing the door, lifting the toilet seat, urinating and then returning the seat to its original position, exiting the stall ( after zipping up) and wash in g and drying their hands. They do it at home. They can do it at a stadium or bar or the zoo just as easily.

Urinals are a one gender only convenience and take up valuable floor space that could accommodate more people who do not use a penis to urinate—or who cannot urinate standing up for whatever reason.

Plus if someone takes a dump in a urinals ( I’ve seen the results) it cannot just be flushed away.

 

[TomC]

Urinals are a one gender only convenience and take up valuable floor space that could accommodate more people who do not use a penis to urinate—or who cannot urinate standing up for whatever reason.

Urinals are both space efficient and time savers. I really don't want them to go away.
Tom

 

[WAB]

I don't like urinals. I prefer what the Brits call a sit down wee.

 

[laughing dog]

Urinals only make sense in men-only restrooms.