Maybe we just need to get rid of the boxes so we quit trying to stuff people into them, whether or not they fit.
All we really need is for everyone to treat each other with respect and dignity. Stop using gender norms completely.
Then the problem will cease to exist, after a generation or two.
I'll be part of that. Do you think everyone else will?
Tom
No, I do not see males giving up male privilege. Full stop.
Exactly.
Which is why I support women's rights to a male free place for personal business.
Regardless of how much the trans activists scream about victimhood and entitlements.
Tom
Here's the thing: What I'm looking for is understanding. I 100% believe that all trans individuals deserve to have access to facilities that fit their gender. Trans males should be able to safely use a male locker room/shower/bathroom without any fear for safety. So should cis males. As far as I can tell (and I'm open to being told I'm wrong) men do not have the same objections to trans male individuals using male only facilities.
But women--all women, including trans women--also have a right to safe and comfortable facilities.
Where women are concerned,, there is a safety issue which may not really be an issue with regards to virtually any trans woman in a women's bathroom. However, it can be extremely difficult to know, at a glance, if the person next to you in the shower is safe or not safe. And further, to react accordingly.
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It does not ring true to me that men do not recognize that women have reason to fear male bodies in intimate spaces when men are the reasons women have those fears in the first place. And it's pure assholery to tell women to just get over it or that they are bigots if they want to know that the person in the shower is or is not a risk.
I've written before but I will again: Not that long ago, I had a conversation with a man in his 30's who was upset/offended when the woman he had recently started dating wanted to bring along a friend when she first went to his apartment. At first he didn't know the reason but later, he found out that she wanted to be certain that he was not some kind of creep--which he found offensive.
Here's the thing: Some creeps are obvious creeps. Some people who seem creepy are perfectly harmless and nice. Some very nice looking/sounding/acting (at first) guys are actually creeps.
It's a lot worse for the person who has to wonder if the person who invites them to their home is safe or not safe, is a creep or a good guy. Because the women who have those fears have had experiences to cause them to have those fears.
Almost all women have at some time gone out with someone who was not nearly as nice as he initially seemed. I'm not talking about basic incompatibility, I'm talking about someone being violent or at the very least, feeling entitled to whatever he wanted because he paid for dinner or drove or bought movie tickets, etc. A lot of women insist on paying their own way to help remove this sort of pressure. It does not always work.
Of course not all women are great people either. Some are entitled, obnoxious, take advantage of their dates, etc. But usually the force issue is a male thing, and not a female thing.
