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Legal definition of woman is based on biological sex, UK supreme court rules

it's like if TSwizzle wrote a post saying gender ideology is a rapture-like cult

I wouldn't say gender ideology is a "rapture-like" cult but I would say gender ideology (and white privilege) is cultish.
You're not wrong. A rabbi once told me "cult" means "a religion we don't like". In my book that makes all religions cults. Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
 
No, a person’s sex is a matter of basic reality, and readily observed.

It is not a matter of incredible privacy.

It’s a material fact that matters in some situations.
But it’s not always readily observable. It is not practice to perform genetic tests on neonates to determine their compliment of chromosomes, even X and Y chromosomes. Even if it were practice, sometimes, the genetic tests would not tell the whole story. As mentioned previously there are conditions which direct individuals to develop differently than what their genes seem to dictate.

For most individuals, their apparent sex is obvious at birth. But not for all individuals. Whether you like it or not, some individuals’ apparent sex does not match their reception of their own selves. It is not up to you or to me to tell them they are wrong if they feel more like a boy or more like a girl than their external characteristics would seem to indicate. Some individuals don’t feel they fit into either the make box or the female box. Maybe we just need to get rid of the boxes so we quit trying to stuff people into them, whether or not they fit.
 
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Maybe we just need to get rid of the boxes so we quit trying to stuff people into them, whether or not they fit.
All we really need is for everyone to treat each other with respect and dignity. Stop using gender norms completely.
Then the problem will cease to exist, after a generation or two.

I'll be part of that. Do you think everyone else will?
Tom
 
Campaign for the abolition of male and female, men and women, boys and girls, as categories.

If they’re just boxes.
 
Maybe we just need to get rid of the boxes so we quit trying to stuff people into them, whether or not they fit.
All we really need is for everyone to treat each other with respect and dignity. Stop using gender norms completely.
Then the problem will cease to exist, after a generation or two.

I'll be part of that. Do you think everyone else will?
Tom
No, I do not see males giving up male privilege. Full stop.
 
Maybe we just need to get rid of the boxes so we quit trying to stuff people into them, whether or not they fit.
All we really need is for everyone to treat each other with respect and dignity. Stop using gender norms completely.
Then the problem will cease to exist, after a generation or two.

I'll be part of that. Do you think everyone else will?
Tom
No, I do not see males giving up male privilege. Full stop.
Exactly.
Which is why I support women's rights to a male free place for personal business.

Regardless of how much the trans activists scream about victimhood and entitlements.
Tom
 
Maybe we just need to get rid of the boxes so we quit trying to stuff people into them, whether or not they fit.
All we really need is for everyone to treat each other with respect and dignity. Stop using gender norms completely.
Then the problem will cease to exist, after a generation or two.

I'll be part of that. Do you think everyone else will?
Tom
No, I do not see males giving up male privilege. Full stop.
Exactly.
Which is why I support women's rights to a male free place for personal business.

Regardless of how much the trans activists scream about victimhood and entitlements.
Tom
Here's the thing: What I'm looking for is understanding. I 100% believe that all trans individuals deserve to have access to facilities that fit their gender. Trans males should be able to safely use a male locker room/shower/bathroom without any fear for safety. So should cis males. As far as I can tell (and I'm open to being told I'm wrong) men do not have the same objections to trans male individuals using male only facilities.

But women--all women, including trans women--also have a right to safe and comfortable facilities.

Where women are concerned,, there is a safety issue which may not really be an issue with regards to virtually any trans woman in a women's bathroom. However, it can be extremely difficult to know, at a glance, if the person next to you in the shower is safe or not safe. And further, to react accordingly.
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It does not ring true to me that men do not recognize that women have reason to fear male bodies in intimate spaces when men are the reasons women have those fears in the first place. And it's pure assholery to tell women to just get over it or that they are bigots if they want to know that the person in the shower is or is not a risk.

I've written before but I will again: Not that long ago, I had a conversation with a man in his 30's who was upset/offended when the woman he had recently started dating wanted to bring along a friend when she first went to his apartment. At first he didn't know the reason but later, he found out that she wanted to be certain that he was not some kind of creep--which he found offensive.

Here's the thing: Some creeps are obvious creeps. Some people who seem creepy are perfectly harmless and nice. Some very nice looking/sounding/acting (at first) guys are actually creeps.

It's a lot worse for the person who has to wonder if the person who invites them to their home is safe or not safe, is a creep or a good guy. Because the women who have those fears have had experiences to cause them to have those fears.

Almost all women have at some time gone out with someone who was not nearly as nice as he initially seemed. I'm not talking about basic incompatibility, I'm talking about someone being violent or at the very least, feeling entitled to whatever he wanted because he paid for dinner or drove or bought movie tickets, etc. A lot of women insist on paying their own way to help remove this sort of pressure. It does not always work.

Of course not all women are great people either. Some are entitled, obnoxious, take advantage of their dates, etc. But usually the force issue is a male thing, and not a female thing.
 
What do you mean when you use the terms “male” and “female”?
You need to define what you mean by "use". Be specific.
No, I don’t.

Asking people to define their terms, when those terms are unclear/disputed, is perfectly reasonable.

Asking what “use” means is infantile.
 
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Unless, of course, you can clarify your difficulty understanding the word “use”?

Have away at it.

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Do you have a problem understanding many words with a clear, unambiguous meaning?

There are classes that could help.
 
I mean, the meaning of words is important in this dispute, as they pertain to categories that are contested.

Is getting rid of “boxes” desirable to the trans community?

I’m not convinced.

There seems a strong desire to be included in the box that doesn’t match their sex.

The boxes seem pretty important.

Hence the rejection of any accommodation short of total acceptance.
 
Where’s the abolishinest movement to end separate men and women’s prisons?

To end separate men and women’s sports?

Since they’re just “boxes”, apparently.
 
What do you mean when you use the terms “male” and “female”?
You need to define what you mean by "use". Be specific.
The depth of your insight is an inspiration to us all

Tom
Tom, you really should not get so upset when someone demonstrates that they are more clever.

Seance loooves to demand that people define terms but dies not respond well when the same is asked of her or when someone points out inconsistencies or overly close definitions. Well, Seanie loves to demand, period.
 
Why isn’t that the objective?

Because it would be obviously silly to the vast majority of people.

So you have to pretend sex is incredibly complicated, that it can’t be determined, is a spectrum, was a colonial invention, oh clownfish!

And that means this man, who is unambiguously male, should compete in women’s sports because he “considers themselves to be a woman”.

How progressive.

It’s one of the dumbest ideologies to ever grace the face of the planet.

And that’s quite saying something.
 
What do you mean when you use the terms “male” and “female”?
You need to define what you mean by "use". Be specific.
No, I don’t.

Asking people to define their terms, when those terms are unclear/disputed, is perfectly reasonable.

Asking what “use” means is infantile.
You would be the expert.
You’re doing great.

Don’t worry.

You don’t look silly at all.

Don’t anyone tell you otherwise.

Champ.
 
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