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It'd be great if someone could get Pres Trump to answer the question, "Which negotiations have been the most successful for you, China or Canada or Iran?"
Tom


Greenland.

Oh, we could keep adding to the question. Greenland, El Salvador, Mexico, Ukraine, Panama, really the list is kinda long.
But let's just start and see what happens?
Tom

ETA ~We're getting a bit off topic.~


No, I was answering. Greenland is the best because there have been no repercussions. China and Canada--that has affected trade in bad ways...Iran, we see what is happening there. Greenland, sure, some people there hate him, but that's it. It's pretty neutral, which is the best outcome he has anywhere.
 
Just reported that Israel has struck Iran.

I have mixed feelings.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...test-news-trump-us-embassy-iraq-b2768585.html

Maybe we should get out of the war thing. Israel Gaza, Israel Iran, Iran Russia, Russia US, Ukraine NATO .... US Israel....

Who do we root for in WWIII?

The side fighting for liberal values. I think democracy and personal liberties is something worth fighting for
And yet you support bombing the shit out of Gazans who have been held without conviction in an open air prison for decades.

Open air prison? Lol.

Israel built the wall because Gazans kept going boom in Israel. After the wall built the problem was solved

You seem to have a problem with Israelis do what they need to do to survive, while living next to an incredibly aggressive neighbour. Why do you think that is?
 
Israel is again doing the free world's dirty work. It seems, more and more, to be the only democratic country with any balls left

That is entirely baseless. How far back did Stuxnet set Iran? What is happening that we don't ever hear about?

And finally, toppling the Theocratic government in Iran (the key goal) is something the Iranians have to do. We can help shift and nudge, provide support without being noticed as providing support, but the Iranian people need to do it.

I think you misunderstand the immediate threat Israel is under. Israel isn't trying to push for a regime change in Iran. They are trying to survive until tomorrow
 
Israel is again doing the free world's dirty work. It seems, more and more, to be the only democratic country with any balls left

That is entirely baseless. How far back did Stuxnet set Iran? What is happening that we don't ever hear about?

And finally, toppling the Theocratic government in Iran (the key goal) is something the Iranians have to do. We can help shift and nudge, provide support without being noticed as providing support, but the Iranian people need to do it.

I think you misunderstand the immediate threat Israel is under. Israel isn't trying to push for a regime change in Iran. They are trying to survive until tomorrow
Netaniahu said it himself that he wants regime change in Iran.
And truth to be told, regime in Iran is pretty weak and does not really have that much support among population. So I can't really blame US/Israel for trying.
 
Just reported that Israel has struck Iran.

I have mixed feelings.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...test-news-trump-us-embassy-iraq-b2768585.html

Maybe we should get out of the war thing. Israel Gaza, Israel Iran, Iran Russia, Russia US, Ukraine NATO .... US Israel....

Who do we root for in WWIII?

The side fighting for liberal values. I think democracy and personal liberties is something worth fighting for
And yet you support bombing the shit out of Gazans who have been held without conviction in an open air prison for decades.

Yes. I am for the protection of civil liberties. If you don't understand why the bombing of Gaza is to uphold liberal values, then you don't understand the Middle-East. But that’s a common problem here in the west. So you have plenty of company.

Yes, this conflict is absolutely the clash of civilisation. It's liberalism against medeival values. And since conservatives only seem to understand raw power, its bombs for them
 
A friend pointed out something weird.

Hamas is a proxy organisation for Iran. They rule Gaza. But nobody is waving Iranian flags. They're just waving Palestinian flags.

When Israel bombed Iran yesterday it felt in the press, like it came out of nowhere. Even though Israel have been at war with Iran for 1.5 years now.
 
Just reported that Israel has struck Iran.

I have mixed feelings.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...test-news-trump-us-embassy-iraq-b2768585.html

Maybe we should get out of the war thing. Israel Gaza, Israel Iran, Iran Russia, Russia US, Ukraine NATO .... US Israel....

Who do we root for in WWIII?

The side fighting for liberal values. I think democracy and personal liberties is something worth fighting for
And yet you support bombing the shit out of Gazans who have been held without conviction in an open air prison for decades.

Open air prison? Lol.

Israel built the wall because Gazans kept going boom in Israel. After the wall built the problem was solved

You seem to have a problem with Israelis do what they need to do to survive, while living next to an incredibly aggressive neighbour. Why do you think that is?
From your response it appears that you support collective punishment. I will then take it that if your next door neighbor commits a crime you would not object to being apprehended and punished along with your neighbor for his crimes.
 
A friend pointed out something weird.

Hamas is a proxy organisation for Iran. They rule Gaza. But nobody is waving Iranian flags. They're just waving Palestinian flags.

When Israel bombed Iran yesterday it felt in the press, like it came out of nowhere. Even though Israel have been at war with Iran for 1.5 years now.
Iran has been at war with Israel for much longer than 1.5 years.
 
From your response it appears that you support collective punishment.
From your response it appears that you support violent Muslim terrorists.
Tom
Please make that make logical sense in some way.
Your opposition to Israel defending itself against it. You keep referring to it as "collective punishment", when it's self defense against violent Muslim terrorists prone to using their own people as human shields. That's very very different.
Tom
 
From your response it appears that you support collective punishment.
From your response it appears that you support violent Muslim terrorists.
Tom
Please make that make logical sense in some way.
Your opposition to Israel defending itself against it. You keep referring to it as "collective punishment", when it's self defense against violent Muslim terrorists prone to using their own people as human shields. That's very very different.
Tom
Anything to help you rest better.
 
From your response it appears that you support collective punishment.
From your response it appears that you support violent Muslim terrorists.
Tom
Please make that make logical sense in some way.
Your opposition to Israel defending itself against it. You keep referring to it as "collective punishment", when it's self defense against violent Muslim terrorists prone to using their own people as human shields. That's very very different.
Tom
Where have I said I oppose Israel defending itself? Collective punishment is not defense.
 
A friend pointed out something weird.

Hamas is a proxy organisation for Iran. They rule Gaza. But nobody is waving Iranian flags. They're just waving Palestinian flags.

When Israel bombed Iran yesterday it felt in the press, like it came out of nowhere. Even though Israel have been at war with Iran for 1.5 years now.
Iran has been at war with Israel for much longer than 1.5 years.

Fair point.
 
From your response it appears that you support collective punishment.
From your response it appears that you support violent Muslim terrorists.
Tom
Please make that make logical sense in some way.
Your opposition to Israel defending itself against it. You keep referring to it as "collective punishment", when it's self defense against violent Muslim terrorists prone to using their own people as human shields. That's very very different.
Tom
Where have I said I oppose Israel defending itself? Collective punishment is not defense.

How is it Israels problem that Hamas uses Palestinian civilians as human shields? Its Hamas responsibility to give Palestinian civilians a chance to avoid slaughter

A friend posed a philosophical conundrum. A guy rapes your mom. Holds up four babies and threatens to kill them if you retaliate. Its not your babies. Why wouldn't you retaliate? How are you guilty if the babies get hurt?
 
From your response it appears that you support collective punishment.
From your response it appears that you support violent Muslim terrorists.
Tom
Please make that make logical sense in some way.
Your opposition to Israel defending itself against it. You keep referring to it as "collective punishment", when it's self defense against violent Muslim terrorists prone to using their own people as human shields. That's very very different.
Tom
Where have I said I oppose Israel defending itself? Collective punishment is not defense.
I don't see collective punishment as a big problem for Gazans. The big problem is violent Muslim terrorists using Gazans as human shields. Which is easy to do because so many Gazans support the violent Muslim terrorists who run Gaza.
Tom
 
From your response it appears that you support collective punishment.
From your response it appears that you support violent Muslim terrorists.
Tom

No, you support collective punishment. No one here supports violent terrorists of any kind, including Netanyahu, whose violent terrorism you support.
 
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