Trump Vs Iran

[Jimmy Higgins]

So, I am getting a vibe here with the US intel.

A) The US did do notable damage to some facilities. It will take a good deal to rebuild targeted locations.

B) What the US did not do was bury the enriched uranium which was shipped off thanks to Trump telegraphing a possible attack... and Iran, if it is so inclined, can still make a bomb (several) with it.

 

[crazyfingers]

Red flags anyone? The new intel confirms President's claims. Shouldn't the President's claims be based on the intel?

Trump's claims are rarely founded on anything real. I know of no reason why he would change his MO for this.

 

[ideologyhunter]

I'm not happy with Trump. I'm not happy with Marco Rubio. These guys gotta calm down. They've unloaded tons of lies, the likes of which we've never seen before. The biggest load we've ever seen. Basically you have two guys who have prostituted themselves for so long that they don't know what the fuck they're doing. Do you understand that?

U.S. Diplomatic Protocols and Style Book, June 2025 update: Fuck is now in the lexicon and practical for all executive branch declarations, treaties, and obviously, communications with shithole countries.

 

[bilby]

S. Diplomatic Protocols and Style Book, June 2025 update: Fuck is now in the lexicon and practical for all executive branch declarations, treaties, and obviously, communications with shithole countries.

Trump ssying "fuck" is literally the first thing he has ever done that I have admired in any way. The world needs more profanity from politicians and diplomats, if only to usher in the inevitable future in which Australians rule all of humankind.

 

[ideologyhunter]

Trump actually came out with 'motherfucker' at a rally in Texas, in '23, I believe. He was on a riff about legal persection of MAGAworld, and he imitated a deep stater saying, "Indict the motherfucker."
The evangelicals who love to visit the Oval Office to lay hands on Trump would of course have their eyes boil out of their sockets if a Dem pres ever launched a 'fuck'. So, fuck the evangelicals.

 

[laughing dog]

It seems too early to say if the bombings were effective. I suspect that even U.S. intelligence is still analyzing the situation.

won’t the intelligence agencies just say whatever Trump wants them to say anyway?

It appears not, at least for now. The intel showed Iran was not close to building a bomb. Trump disregarded it.

Listen again. They were weaseling.

The thing is, building the bomb is the easy part. The hard part is the materials. It doesn't matter if they're building a bomb or not, what's important is if they have the weapons grade U-235. They have no civilian use for such, it's extremely expensive to produce, thus it's only for a bomb. Nor do you bury a civilian facility that deeply. It's unquestionably a bomb program.

Pay attention. If they are not close to building a bomb, then the stated rationale for the attacks of “they are close to building a bomb” is invalid, assuming everyone has the same notion of “close”.

Recalling that Israel has claimed Iran has bern close for 30 years, one might think they have to correct sometime. On the other hand, on this issue, given their track record, why take their word?

You're missing the point.

Building the bomb isn't an issue. They're enriching uranium, a gun type device isn't perfect but the odds of it working are well above 90%. It would take weeks at most. Thus whether they have started or not is a total red herring. The only thing that matters is how much uranium enriched to what level do they have.

If building a bomb isn’t an issue, then the enriched uranium is not a threat.

Either they are close to building a bomb (as Israel has claimed for 30 years) or they are not (as US intelligence believes).

Is this supposed to mean anything?

What don’t you understand? The text is fairly simple.

What I'm saying is that you're focusing on the near triviality of turning the uranium into a device. The hard part is enriching the U-235 and that's not "building a bomb".

I am focusing on the stated rationale for the attacks on Iran is that they are close to making the bomb.

Unless you claiming both Israel and the US lied about their motive, you are shifting the goal posts.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

It doesn't matter if they're building a bomb or not

Except that they probably weren't, and now they probably are.

So that's another completely predictable win for the law of unintended consequences.

If they weren't making a bomb why did they spend a shit ton of money on an enrichment plant? And even admit to enriching beyond what's needed for almost all civilian use. If they weren't building a bomb they were doing a mighty inept job of it.

They built the enrichment plant to be independent of third parties in fuel for nuclear plants.
They went 60% as a response to US/Israel killing their scientists and other shit.

They didn't bury it that deep for civilian purposes.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The problem was they were not magnanimous in their victory A bit arrogant.

What viable option did they have and not take? Allowing the people who wanted to continue the fight back in wouldn't have been good for them.

If Iran and Saudi Arabia made peace with each other and both with Israel with all the oil wealth the region could be a showcase for the world.

They hate each other as only two sects of the same religion can.

I have always thought the Israeli religious conservatives and the Iranian Ayatollah need each other. Conflict to a point keeps each in power.

Disagree.

If you look at Netanyahu's history he never wanted peace and never wanted a Palestinian state.

Israel is pragmatic. They don't exactly like the situation but they're not going to choose war to take what they want. But neither are they going to sit back and let themselves be destroyed no matter how much the world tells them to.

Fo0r Iran peace means the theocracy looses an enemy to focus people on.

Definitely.

The only solution is an outside enforcement of peace with military force if necessary, that would be us.

Reality check. We have outside peacekeepers in Lebanon. Whose leadership is utterly, willfully blind to exactly what they are there to prevent. It's quite understandable because to do the mission they are "supposed" to would put them at war with Hezbollah. And Islam sees us as the enemy, there's no way it could work.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

And all that would matter is that the enriched uranium was buried now under 1000 feet of earth. And I haven't heard a single person in the Trump Admin say we destroyed their access to the produced uranium.

My understanding is they moved all that uranium before the attack because Trump was pretty transparently going to approve the airstrikes.

None of this would probably have to have happened if Trump didn't tear up the JCPOA with Iran.

Anything to kick the can. Iran wasn't complying with that agreement you keep pointing to. This is a situation with nothing but bad answers and you're giving the standard leftist answer of grasping at straws.

Strange. The inspectors said they were complying.

Yeah, until they got someone in charge that actually was doing their job. Then they recognized that Iran was simply building other nuclear sites and denying that they were nuclear sites subject to inspection.

And nobody buried civilian stuff as deep as that enrichment plant was.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

So, I am getting a vibe here with the US intel.

A) The US did do notable damage to some facilities. It will take a good deal to rebuild targeted locations.

B) What the US did not do was bury the enriched uranium which was shipped off thanks to Trump telegraphing a possible attack... and Iran, if it is so inclined, can still make a bomb (several) with it.

That's my understanding, also. Bombs worked as expected, dug into the craters from the previous ones, facility is gone, they can't make more, they still have whatever amount they had. We don't know how much that is.

 

[barbos]

Israel/US thought that Iran was ready for a regime change but quickly realized that they were wrong and are backing off Iran now.

Russia thought Ukraine was ready for regime change and have found after a huge loss of manpower and armaments that they were wrong. Love to see Russia getting kicked in the balls daily.

We are still making Ukraine Russia again. You, on the other hand, cancelled your "Make Iran Monarchy again" rather quickly.

 

[barbos]

It doesn't matter if they're building a bomb or not

Except that they probably weren't, and now they probably are.

So that's another completely predictable win for the law of unintended consequences.

If they weren't making a bomb why did they spend a shit ton of money on an enrichment plant? And even admit to enriching beyond what's needed for almost all civilian use. If they weren't building a bomb they were doing a mighty inept job of it.

They built the enrichment plant to be independent of third parties in fuel for nuclear plants.
They went 60% as a response to US/Israel killing their scientists and other shit.

They didn't bury it that deep for civilian purposes.

And you murdered physicists for civilian purposes of course.
You do all your bombing for civilian purposes too.

 

[ZiprHead]

So, I am getting a vibe here with the US intel.

A) The US did do notable damage to some facilities. It will take a good deal to rebuild targeted locations.

B) What the US did not do was bury the enriched uranium which was shipped off thanks to Trump telegraphing a possible attack... and Iran, if it is so inclined, can still make a bomb (several) with it.

That's my understanding, also. Bombs worked as expected, dug into the craters from the previous ones, facility is gone, they can't make more, they still have whatever amount they had. We don't know how much that is.

Nuclear centrifuges are actually fairly simple machines to build. They are easily replaced.

 

[thebeave]

Obama wore a tan suit once, too. That wouldn’t make it right for Trump to do.

I dunno. Let's let the reader at home decide who wears the tan suit better.

Obama



Trump

 

[steve_bank]

It is a win-win-win scenario. Trump, Israel, and Iran all clam victory.

Israel appears to have penetrated Iran with informants. I expect their Intel is very good, but I Trust what Netanyahu says about as much as I trust Trump.

Lorenn is forever the Israeli apologist for whatever his reasons are.

Israel chose to displace Palestinians and colonize. Netanyahu has always been quite open about it, Israel will do whatever it wants if it is in their interest.

It is not universal in Israel. Some years back several past Israeli government leaders went on record acknowledging Israel made a mistake in how Palestinians have been treated.

In the 90s the Israeli government acknowledge that Arab Israeli citizens within Israel were subjected to a Jim Crow kind of bias.

Nothing that happened to Jews in the last century justifies how Palestinians are treated. As the war raged in Gaza Israel anounced new colonies in the West Bank.

 

[barbos]

So, I am getting a vibe here with the US intel.

A) The US did do notable damage to some facilities. It will take a good deal to rebuild targeted locations.

B) What the US did not do was bury the enriched uranium which was shipped off thanks to Trump telegraphing a possible attack... and Iran, if it is so inclined, can still make a bomb (several) with it.

That's my understanding, also. Bombs worked as expected, dug into the craters from the previous ones, facility is gone, they can't make more, they still have whatever amount they had. We don't know how much that is.

Nuclear centrifuges are actually fairly simple machines to build. They are easily replaced.

Judging by the number of trucks at the entrance they took them to another secret location before the attack, as it was tacitly agreed with the "hegemon".

 

[barbos]

So, I am getting a vibe here with the US intel.

A) The US did do notable damage to some facilities. It will take a good deal to rebuild targeted locations.

B) What the US did not do was bury the enriched uranium which was shipped off thanks to Trump telegraphing a possible attack... and Iran, if it is so inclined, can still make a bomb (several) with it.

They buried the entrances to the facilities. Facilities (empty of anything valuable) itself are most likely intact.

 

[jonatha]

Obama wore a tan suit once, too. That wouldn’t make it right for Trump to do.

I dunno. Let's let the reader at home decide who wears the tan suit better.

Obama

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Trump

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I dunno.

Trump's suit matches his skin tone better...

 

[ZiprHead]

So, I am getting a vibe here with the US intel.

A) The US did do notable damage to some facilities. It will take a good deal to rebuild targeted locations.

B) What the US did not do was bury the enriched uranium which was shipped off thanks to Trump telegraphing a possible attack... and Iran, if it is so inclined, can still make a bomb (several) with it.

They buried the entrances to the facilities. Facilities (empty of anything valuable) itself are most likely intact.

Good point. I figured those trucks were transporting the uranium. But the centrifuges could have been in them too.

 

[Patooka]

S. Diplomatic Protocols and Style Book, June 2025 update: Fuck is now in the lexicon and practical for all executive branch declarations, treaties, and obviously, communications with shithole countries.

Trump ssying "fuck" is literally the first thing he has ever done that I have admired in any way. The world needs more profanity from politicians and diplomats, if only to usher in the inevitable future in which Australians rule all of humankind.

Not true. Australians couldn't be fucked running the circus we call planet Earth.