The political prosecutions are beginning. Shumer first target

[jonatha]

Secondly, its not clear that what Schumer said is protected by the 1A.

Pretty much anything any seated Congressperson says is protected by the speech and debate clause. Ask Lindsey Graham.

 

[ZiprHead]

For years, politicians of all stripes have used inflammatory and violent rhetoric. Mr Trump is an exemplar in this category. You may correct my faulty memory, but I don’t recall any such pearl-clutching from you during any of Mr Trump’s tirades.

"2nd amendment solutions".

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Ed Martin, the interim U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia, has been quietly pushing to present evidence against Senator Charles Schumer of New York, the Democratic leader, to a federal grand jury over comments he made about Supreme Court justices in 2020, according to people with knowledge of the situation.
Mr. Martin has made clear his hopes of investigating whether the remarks made five years ago by Mr. Schumer amounted to threats against Justice Brett Kavanaugh and Justice Neil M. Gorsuch.

“You have released the whirlwind and you will pay the price!” Mr. Schumer said at the rally, addressing his remarks to Justices Kavanaugh and Gorsuch.

U.S. Attorney Rebuffed by Justice Dept. in Push to Escalate Inquiry Into Schumer

Ed Martin, the acting U.S. attorney in Washington, has been blocked so far in seeking a grand jury investigation into remarks made by Senator Chuck Schumer about Supreme Court justices.

www.nytimes.com

The party of free speech is ramping up its efforts to send government goons after enemies on the pretext of speech they don't like.

The article is behind a paywall, so I can't see all the details. Specifically, did Trump initiate this investigation as suggested? Secondly, its not clear that what Schumer said is protected by the 1A. They do sound a bit like "fighting words". I don't find it implausible that a particularly passionate person could take Schumer's words to heart and do something violent and tragic. Does "pay the price" mean violence or is he just somehow going to force a justice to resign? Or maybe harrass his family? There have been a few cases of judges getting murdered by people who didn't like their rulings, so killing a judge is not unheard of.

Does the First Amendment Protect Threats and Hate Speech?

Fighting Words​

In 1942, the Court unanimously decided in Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire that the First Amendment doesn’t protect fighting words. The Chaplinsky Court reviewed a conviction under state law. that criminalized the use of “fighting words.” The law defined fighting words as speech “likely to provoke the average person to retaliation, and thereby cause a breach of the peace.”

The Court upheld the conviction and the statute, which it found to be sufficiently narrowly tailored. The opinion explains that the law defined and prohibited specific acts likely to disrupt the peace in public places. This was well within the state’s power.

The Court explained that fighting words aren’t protected because they play no crucial role in the free exchange of ideas and have minimal social value. As such, the public interest in maintaining order and morality far outweighs any benefit derived from their utterance.

Chaplinsky remains the prevailing standard, and the Court consistently cites 'fighting words' as a type of speech not protected. Yet, it has not affirmed any state action grounded in the Chaplinsky doctrine regarding fighting words.

It is commonly understood that "Pay the ultimate price" is meant imply loss of life. "Pay the price" commonly means any negative consequence that is a direct result of ones own actions. Under no reasonable analysis can these words be thought of as likely to provoke a clear and present danger to the justices.

Trump hired this guy specifically because he was vigorous at promising to go after Trump's enemies. It doesn't require a direct order from Trump to know what Trump wants and what will be pleasing to him.

So, in your own words, what might "pay the price" mean, if not some sort of threat or actual violence? What kinds of things might Schumer have intended to do to Kavanaugh and Gorsuch?

Since Mr Schumer did not say nor imply he would make anyone “pay the price”, your questions seem to even more desperate attempts to defend this DA’s actions.

For years, politicians of all stripes have used inflammatory and violent rhetoric. Mr Trump is an exemplar in this category. You may correct my faulty memory, but I don’t recall any such pearl-clutching from you during any of Mr Trump’s tirades.

In fact, any concern whatsoever about Trump's violent rhetoric has been routinely dismissed as "TDS", or it has been excused away as "he doesn't really mean it" or whatever bullshit.

 

[KCFlyer]

Some right wingers on another site went apeshit claiming Dem's wanted Trump to die when they tweeted "this will put the nail in the coffin" to keep Trump off the ballot.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Some right wingers on another site went apeshit claiming Dem's wanted Trump to die when they tweeted "this will put the nail in the coffin" to keep Trump off the ballot.

I thought everybody dies some time?

 

[Shadowy Man]

Some right wingers on another site went apeshit claiming Dem's wanted Trump to die when they tweeted "this will put the nail in the coffin" to keep Trump off the ballot.

I certainly don’t want him to live forever.

 

[KCFlyer]

I certainly don’t want him to live forever.

Should he pass away in office them I would suggest that ALL flags fly at full staff as a reminder of America's greatness. I mean, Republicans dishonored the most moral and Christian president to ever hold the office by raising the flag for Trump's inauguration. Whenever Trump passes, in or out of office, Keep those flags flying high. He would have wanted it that way.

 

[Elixir]

Some right wingers on another site went apeshit claiming Dem's wanted Trump to die when they tweeted "this will put the nail in the coffin" to keep Trump off the ballot.

I thought everybody dies some time?

They’ll just prop him up in a chair and play some of his idiotic lies over a speaker system. Nobody will ever know.

 

[ideologyhunter]

I certainly don’t want him to live forever.

Should he pass away in office them I would suggest that ALL flags fly at full staff as a reminder of America's greatness. I mean, Republicans dishonored the most moral and Christian president to ever hold the office by raising the flag for Trump's inauguration. Whenever Trump passes, in or out of office, Keep those flags flying high. He would have wanted it that way.

I have suggested legislation to the senators from my state -- The Imperial Flagpole Extension Act. The heart of the law would be that all flagpoles on federal or state property be fitted with pole extenders, which would raise the flag 10 (TEN) feet higher for the month following defendant -- excuse me, Emperor DJ Trump's sad demise. Funding to come exclusively from tariffs. Donald's funereal flag will thus soar high above earth, catching the early morning sun as it flaps gloriously. This being Ohio, I haven't heard back.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Ed Martin, the interim U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia, has been quietly pushing to present evidence against Senator Charles Schumer of New York, the Democratic leader, to a federal grand jury over comments he made about Supreme Court justices in 2020, according to people with knowledge of the situation.
Mr. Martin has made clear his hopes of investigating whether the remarks made five years ago by Mr. Schumer amounted to threats against Justice Brett Kavanaugh and Justice Neil M. Gorsuch.

“You have released the whirlwind and you will pay the price!” Mr. Schumer said at the rally, addressing his remarks to Justices Kavanaugh and Gorsuch.

U.S. Attorney Rebuffed by Justice Dept. in Push to Escalate Inquiry Into Schumer

Ed Martin, the acting U.S. attorney in Washington, has been blocked so far in seeking a grand jury investigation into remarks made by Senator Chuck Schumer about Supreme Court justices.

www.nytimes.com

The party of free speech is ramping up its efforts to send government goons after enemies on the pretext of speech they don't like.

The article is behind a paywall, so I can't see all the details. Specifically, did Trump initiate this investigation as suggested? Secondly, its not clear that what Schumer said is protected by the 1A. They do sound a bit like "fighting words". I don't find it implausible that a particularly passionate person could take Schumer's words to heart and do something violent and tragic. Does "pay the price" mean violence or is he just somehow going to force a justice to resign? Or maybe harrass his family? There have been a few cases of judges getting murdered by people who didn't like their rulings, so killing a judge is not unheard of.

I can't see it, either, but I see this very differently. I don't see it as a threat at all, but rather that there will be a bad outcome. And we certainly have already seen a bad outcome.

 

[Patooka]

Some right wingers on another site went apeshit claiming Dem's wanted Trump to die when they tweeted "this will put the nail in the coffin" to keep Trump off the ballot.

I certainly don’t want him to live forever.

I do, but the conditions I want him to live forever under absolutely violate the 8th Amendment as I understand it.

 

[KCFlyer]

Some right wingers on another site went apeshit claiming Dem's wanted Trump to die when they tweeted "this will put the nail in the coffin" to keep Trump off the ballot.

I thought everybody dies some time?

They’ll just prop him up in a chair and play some of his idiotic lies over a speaker system. Nobody will ever know.

I wonder if, when he dies, MAGA will become like our ally North Korea, name him eternal president and display his body as a shrine in rotunda of capitol building.

 

[jonatha]

Some right wingers on another site went apeshit claiming Dem's wanted Trump to die when they tweeted "this will put the nail in the coffin" to keep Trump off the ballot.

I thought everybody dies some time?

They’ll just prop him up in a chair and play some of his idiotic lies over a speaker system. Nobody will ever know.

I wonder if, when he dies, MAGA will become like our ally North Korea, name him eternal president and display his body as a shrine in rotunda of capitol building.

Might reduce the number of people trying to piss on his grave...

 

[Elixir]

Some right wingers on another site went apeshit claiming Dem's wanted Trump to die when they tweeted "this will put the nail in the coffin" to keep Trump off the ballot.

I thought everybody dies some time?

They’ll just prop him up in a chair and play some of his idiotic lies over a speaker system. Nobody will ever know.

I wonder if, when he dies, MAGA will become like our ally North Korea, name him eternal president and display his body as a shrine in rotunda of capitol building.

Meh. His head on a pike would suffice.

 

[ZiprHead]

FBI launches probes into former FBI, CIA directors, Fox News reports

The FBI has launched criminal probes into former CIA Director John Brennan and former FBI Director James Comey, Fox News Digital reported on Tuesday, citing sources.

www.reuters.com

WASHINGTON, July 8 (Reuters) - The FBI launched criminal probes into former CIA Director John Brennan and former FBI director James Comey, Fox News Digital reported on Tuesday, citing sources.

These probes are over alleged wrongdoing related to past government investigations about claims of Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. elections in which President Donald Trump defeated former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, the news report said.

The FBI, the CIA and the Justice Department had no immediate comment. Reuters has not independently verified the probes.

The scope of the criminal investigations into Brennan and Comey was unclear, the report added.

A criminal investigation does not necessarily result in charges.

Fox said its sources were from the Justice Department but did not specify the number of sources.

A CIA review released last week found flaws in the production of a U.S. intelligence assessment that Russian President Vladimir Putin sought to sway the 2016 U.S. presidential vote to Trump, but it did not contest that conclusion.

 

[Axulus]

FBI launches probes into former FBI, CIA directors, Fox News reports

The FBI has launched criminal probes into former CIA Director John Brennan and former FBI Director James Comey, Fox News Digital reported on Tuesday, citing sources.

www.reuters.com

WASHINGTON, July 8 (Reuters) - The FBI launched criminal probes into former CIA Director John Brennan and former FBI director James Comey, Fox News Digital reported on Tuesday, citing sources.

These probes are over alleged wrongdoing related to past government investigations about claims of Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. elections in which President Donald Trump defeated former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, the news report said.

The FBI, the CIA and the Justice Department had no immediate comment. Reuters has not independently verified the probes.

The scope of the criminal investigations into Brennan and Comey was unclear, the report added.

A criminal investigation does not necessarily result in charges.

Fox said its sources were from the Justice Department but did not specify the number of sources.

A CIA review released last week found flaws in the production of a U.S. intelligence assessment that Russian President Vladimir Putin sought to sway the 2016 U.S. presidential vote to Trump, but it did not contest that conclusion.

Using Nazi language to describe them.

 

[patchy]

Using Nazi language to describe them.

For much the same reason that when a duck “says something,” it comes out sounding like, “quack.”

 

[TomC]

Meh. His head on a pike would suffice.

I'd hold out for execution by pressing. Tied between two platforms while his enemies keep adding rocks to the top.
He can scream and threaten and writhe (pay per view). Beg, promise, anything...
On the Washington Mall at prime viewing hours, of course.

I know too many people who have had their lives destroyed by Trump's deciet and delusions of grandeur to let him off with a quick hanging at this point.
Tom

 

[Elixir]

I'd hold out for execution by pressing.

He’d have a heart attack immediately upon receipt of a credible threat of that.

 

[patchy]

This is going to maybe sound like crazy alarmist paranoia, but…
In all seriousness, is it a good idea to post things on this site calling for/gleefully describing/advocating/hoping for, the president’s death?
Articulating all kinds of satisfying ways in which you’d like to see it happen?

Don’t get me wrong—this is PURELY from a place of, “what if printouts of this discussion ended up in the wrong hands, at the wrong time?”

It isn’t out of fealty to Trump; trust me.

But even if a post doesn’t arguably rise to the level of being actionable by the Secret Service, I think a wiser course is to not hand ANYONE in this administration a reason to, at best, close the site down.

And if you don’t know what’s “At worst,” I don’t think you’re paying attention to trends…