Pretty much anything any seated Congressperson says is protected by the speech and debate clause. Ask Lindsey Graham.Secondly, its not clear that what Schumer said is protected by the 1A.
Pretty much anything any seated Congressperson says is protected by the speech and debate clause. Ask Lindsey Graham.Secondly, its not clear that what Schumer said is protected by the 1A.
"2nd amendment solutions".For years, politicians of all stripes have used inflammatory and violent rhetoric. Mr Trump is an exemplar in this category. You may correct my faulty memory, but I don’t recall any such pearl-clutching from you during any of Mr Trump’s tirades.
In fact, any concern whatsoever about Trump's violent rhetoric has been routinely dismissed as "TDS", or it has been excused away as "he doesn't really mean it" or whatever bullshit.Since Mr Schumer did not say nor imply he would make anyone “pay the price”, your questions seem to even more desperate attempts to defend this DA’s actions.So, in your own words, what might "pay the price" mean, if not some sort of threat or actual violence? What kinds of things might Schumer have intended to do to Kavanaugh and Gorsuch?It is commonly understood that "Pay the ultimate price" is meant imply loss of life. "Pay the price" commonly means any negative consequence that is a direct result of ones own actions. Under no reasonable analysis can these words be thought of as likely to provoke a clear and present danger to the justices.The article is behind a paywall, so I can't see all the details. Specifically, did Trump initiate this investigation as suggested? Secondly, its not clear that what Schumer said is protected by the 1A. They do sound a bit like "fighting words". I don't find it implausible that a particularly passionate person could take Schumer's words to heart and do something violent and tragic. Does "pay the price" mean violence or is he just somehow going to force a justice to resign? Or maybe harrass his family? There have been a few cases of judges getting murdered by people who didn't like their rulings, so killing a judge is not unheard of.Ed Martin, the interim U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia, has been quietly pushing to present evidence against Senator Charles Schumer of New York, the Democratic leader, to a federal grand jury over comments he made about Supreme Court justices in 2020, according to people with knowledge of the situation.
Mr. Martin has made clear his hopes of investigating whether the remarks made five years ago by Mr. Schumer amounted to threats against Justice Brett Kavanaugh and Justice Neil M. Gorsuch.
“You have released the whirlwind and you will pay the price!” Mr. Schumer said at the rally, addressing his remarks to Justices Kavanaugh and Gorsuch.![]()
U.S. Attorney Rebuffed by Justice Dept. in Push to Escalate Inquiry Into Schumer
Ed Martin, the acting U.S. attorney in Washington, has been blocked so far in seeking a grand jury investigation into remarks made by Senator Chuck Schumer about Supreme Court justices.www.nytimes.com
The party of free speech is ramping up its efforts to send government goons after enemies on the pretext of speech they don't like.
Does the First Amendment Protect Threats and Hate Speech?
Fighting Words
In 1942, the Court unanimously decided in Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire that the First Amendment doesn’t protect fighting words. The Chaplinsky Court reviewed a conviction under state law. that criminalized the use of “fighting words.” The law defined fighting words as speech “likely to provoke the average person to retaliation, and thereby cause a breach of the peace.”
The Court upheld the conviction and the statute, which it found to be sufficiently narrowly tailored. The opinion explains that the law defined and prohibited specific acts likely to disrupt the peace in public places. This was well within the state’s power.
The Court explained that fighting words aren’t protected because they play no crucial role in the free exchange of ideas and have minimal social value. As such, the public interest in maintaining order and morality far outweighs any benefit derived from their utterance.
Chaplinsky remains the prevailing standard, and the Court consistently cites 'fighting words' as a type of speech not protected. Yet, it has not affirmed any state action grounded in the Chaplinsky doctrine regarding fighting words.
Trump hired this guy specifically because he was vigorous at promising to go after Trump's enemies. It doesn't require a direct order from Trump to know what Trump wants and what will be pleasing to him.
For years, politicians of all stripes have used inflammatory and violent rhetoric. Mr Trump is an exemplar in this category. You may correct my faulty memory, but I don’t recall any such pearl-clutching from you during any of Mr Trump’s tirades.
I thought everybody dies some time?Some right wingers on another site went apeshit claiming Dem's wanted Trump to die when they tweeted "this will put the nail in the coffin" to keep Trump off the ballot.
I certainly don’t want him to live forever.Some right wingers on another site went apeshit claiming Dem's wanted Trump to die when they tweeted "this will put the nail in the coffin" to keep Trump off the ballot.
Should he pass away in office them I would suggest that ALL flags fly at full staff as a reminder of America's greatness. I mean, Republicans dishonored the most moral and Christian president to ever hold the office by raising the flag for Trump's inauguration. Whenever Trump passes, in or out of office, Keep those flags flying high. He would have wanted it that way.I certainly don’t want him to live forever.
They’ll just prop him up in a chair and play some of his idiotic lies over a speaker system. Nobody will ever know.I thought everybody dies some time?Some right wingers on another site went apeshit claiming Dem's wanted Trump to die when they tweeted "this will put the nail in the coffin" to keep Trump off the ballot.
I have suggested legislation to the senators from my state -- The Imperial Flagpole Extension Act. The heart of the law would be that all flagpoles on federal or state property be fitted with pole extenders, which would raise the flag 10 (TEN) feet higher for the month following defendant -- excuse me, Emperor DJ Trump's sad demise. Funding to come exclusively from tariffs. Donald's funereal flag will thus soar high above earth, catching the early morning sun as it flaps gloriously. This being Ohio, I haven't heard back.Should he pass away in office them I would suggest that ALL flags fly at full staff as a reminder of America's greatness. I mean, Republicans dishonored the most moral and Christian president to ever hold the office by raising the flag for Trump's inauguration. Whenever Trump passes, in or out of office, Keep those flags flying high. He would have wanted it that way.I certainly don’t want him to live forever.
I can't see it, either, but I see this very differently. I don't see it as a threat at all, but rather that there will be a bad outcome. And we certainly have already seen a bad outcome.The article is behind a paywall, so I can't see all the details. Specifically, did Trump initiate this investigation as suggested? Secondly, its not clear that what Schumer said is protected by the 1A. They do sound a bit like "fighting words". I don't find it implausible that a particularly passionate person could take Schumer's words to heart and do something violent and tragic. Does "pay the price" mean violence or is he just somehow going to force a justice to resign? Or maybe harrass his family? There have been a few cases of judges getting murdered by people who didn't like their rulings, so killing a judge is not unheard of.Ed Martin, the interim U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia, has been quietly pushing to present evidence against Senator Charles Schumer of New York, the Democratic leader, to a federal grand jury over comments he made about Supreme Court justices in 2020, according to people with knowledge of the situation.
Mr. Martin has made clear his hopes of investigating whether the remarks made five years ago by Mr. Schumer amounted to threats against Justice Brett Kavanaugh and Justice Neil M. Gorsuch.
“You have released the whirlwind and you will pay the price!” Mr. Schumer said at the rally, addressing his remarks to Justices Kavanaugh and Gorsuch.![]()
U.S. Attorney Rebuffed by Justice Dept. in Push to Escalate Inquiry Into Schumer
Ed Martin, the acting U.S. attorney in Washington, has been blocked so far in seeking a grand jury investigation into remarks made by Senator Chuck Schumer about Supreme Court justices.www.nytimes.com
The party of free speech is ramping up its efforts to send government goons after enemies on the pretext of speech they don't like.
I do, but the conditions I want him to live forever under absolutely violate the 8th Amendment as I understand it.I certainly don’t want him to live forever.Some right wingers on another site went apeshit claiming Dem's wanted Trump to die when they tweeted "this will put the nail in the coffin" to keep Trump off the ballot.
I wonder if, when he dies, MAGA will become like our ally North Korea, name him eternal president and display his body as a shrine in rotunda of capitol building.They’ll just prop him up in a chair and play some of his idiotic lies over a speaker system. Nobody will ever know.I thought everybody dies some time?Some right wingers on another site went apeshit claiming Dem's wanted Trump to die when they tweeted "this will put the nail in the coffin" to keep Trump off the ballot.
Might reduce the number of people trying to piss on his grave...I wonder if, when he dies, MAGA will become like our ally North Korea, name him eternal president and display his body as a shrine in rotunda of capitol building.They’ll just prop him up in a chair and play some of his idiotic lies over a speaker system. Nobody will ever know.I thought everybody dies some time?Some right wingers on another site went apeshit claiming Dem's wanted Trump to die when they tweeted "this will put the nail in the coffin" to keep Trump off the ballot.
Meh. His head on a pike would suffice.I wonder if, when he dies, MAGA will become like our ally North Korea, name him eternal president and display his body as a shrine in rotunda of capitol building.They’ll just prop him up in a chair and play some of his idiotic lies over a speaker system. Nobody will ever know.I thought everybody dies some time?Some right wingers on another site went apeshit claiming Dem's wanted Trump to die when they tweeted "this will put the nail in the coffin" to keep Trump off the ballot.
WASHINGTON, July 8 (Reuters) - The FBI launched criminal probes into former CIA Director John Brennan and former FBI director James Comey, Fox News Digital reported on Tuesday, citing sources.
These probes are over alleged wrongdoing related to past government investigations about claims of Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. elections in which President Donald Trump defeated former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, the news report said.
The FBI, the CIA and the Justice Department had no immediate comment. Reuters has not independently verified the probes.
The scope of the criminal investigations into Brennan and Comey was unclear, the report added.
A criminal investigation does not necessarily result in charges.
Fox said its sources were from the Justice Department but did not specify the number of sources.
A CIA review released last week found flaws in the production of a U.S. intelligence assessment that Russian President Vladimir Putin sought to sway the 2016 U.S. presidential vote to Trump, but it did not contest that conclusion.
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FBI launches probes into former FBI, CIA directors, Fox News reports
The FBI has launched criminal probes into former CIA Director John Brennan and former FBI Director James Comey, Fox News Digital reported on Tuesday, citing sources.www.reuters.com
WASHINGTON, July 8 (Reuters) - The FBI launched criminal probes into former CIA Director John Brennan and former FBI director James Comey, Fox News Digital reported on Tuesday, citing sources.
These probes are over alleged wrongdoing related to past government investigations about claims of Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. elections in which President Donald Trump defeated former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, the news report said.
The FBI, the CIA and the Justice Department had no immediate comment. Reuters has not independently verified the probes.
The scope of the criminal investigations into Brennan and Comey was unclear, the report added.
A criminal investigation does not necessarily result in charges.
Fox said its sources were from the Justice Department but did not specify the number of sources.
A CIA review released last week found flaws in the production of a U.S. intelligence assessment that Russian President Vladimir Putin sought to sway the 2016 U.S. presidential vote to Trump, but it did not contest that conclusion.
Using Nazi language to describe them.
I'd hold out for execution by pressing. Tied between two platforms while his enemies keep adding rocks to the top.Meh. His head on a pike would suffice.
He’d have a heart attack immediately upon receipt of a credible threat of that.I'd hold out for execution by pressing.