For those of you who think MAGA Trump supporters are in a cult

[RVonse]

Once that history is rewritten that will be the gospel for the MAGA folks. I mean, they've already written off his multiple affairs on his multiple wives and repainted him as a dedicated family man. The creepy remarks he's made about his daughters seems to have no impact, and I'm gonna take a wild guess and say they don't give a second thought to the fact that he briefly dated tennis star Gabriela Sabatini when he was 43 and she was still a teenager.

Couple that with his ownership of the Miss Teen USA pageant (he once bragged that he walked into their dressing rooms when they were half naked) and his long-standing friendship with the now-dead most famous pedophile in the world and you've got a pretty airtight case that he's at very least a creeper, but his cult STILL doesn't seem to grasp it. He can rewrite history and his followers will fall in line without question.

That's just exactly the point of my OP. Trump is losing extremely loyal supporters over this. By now even Trump knows and expects this but instead of chickening out (tariff style) and releasing Epstein documents he is saying good riddance to the supporters who are burning their hats (see my previous video this thread). Furthermore, there are people in Trump's administration doing obvious serious damage to their career and reputation by not fulfilling their Epstein promise of transparency.

That is NOT a cult. Those MAGA burning hats are (until now) loyal supporters with a firm philosophical character distancing themselves from Trump. To them, deep state political corruption and transparency was everything Trump stood for.

But even more curious than that is Trump being the first politician I have ever seen who is fine saying these loyal MAGA members should just go take a flying leap. This just isn't cult behavior at all IMO.

 

[RVonse]

Again, let me give thanks to RVonse for answering many (though not all) of our questions. It's good to try and understand the workings of a MAGA mind.

RVonse -- what are your comments on this brief YouTube?:

It is a ridiculous video to say the least.

But even more ridiculous than this video are the number of Democrats out there who still believe Russia interfered in a material way during the 2016 election. If what the current DOJ says is true, Obama knew all along that the Russia hoax was untrue. But Obama went forward with Russia investigations anyway for political reasons.

As someone who voted for Obama, I doubt Obama is going to go to jail over this but what he did was clearly wrong in my eyes. And it would be very foolish and stupid for the Republicans to indict Obama over this. Which is why they probably will since the Democrats have already set the precedence for political opponent lawfare.

The way things are sure to go America will be lucky not to be in another civil war.

 

[Swammerdami]

But even more ridiculous than this video is the number of Democrats out there who still believe Russia interfered in a material way on the 2016 election.

You are confused.
That Russia DID interfere in the 2016 election is NOT in dispute by any serious thinker. Try to fight your ignorance at Wikipedia --  Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections -- if you dare. It;s a HUGE article. Here's an early excerpt:

The Internet Research Agency (IRA), based in Saint Petersburg, Russia, and described as a troll farm, created thousands of social media accounts that purported to be Americans supporting radical political groups and planned or promoted events in support of Trump and against Clinton. They reached millions of social media users between 2013 and 2017. Fabricated articles and disinformation were spread from Russian government-controlled media, and promoted on social media. Additionally, computer hackers affiliated with the Russian military intelligence service (GRU) infiltrated information systems of the Democratic National Committee (DNC), the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC), and Clinton campaign officials, notably chairman John Podesta, and publicly released stolen files and emails through DCLeaks, Guccifer 2.0, and WikiLeaks during the election campaign. Several individuals connected to Russia contacted various Trump campaign associates, offering business opportunities to the Trump Organization and proffering damaging information on Clinton.

The controversy is whether there is PROOF that the Trump campaign and Putin's giant disinformation apparatus deliberately COLLUDED together. Can you understand the difference?

Can you understand the difference? The fact that you jump from Trump-Putin collusion to "Russia interference" tells us much about your capacity to cope with legal or political details.

"Collusion" is hard to define and hard to prove. There's plenty of evidence that some MAGGOTs were eager for Putin's support, e.g.

Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing, I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press,

Trump's DoJ in 2017 elected not to pursue the collusion allegations: That does NOT prove the allegations were false. But whether "collusion" occurred is irrelevant to the charge that "Russia interfered." That DID happen; indeed Putin's subversion of democracies around the world is on-going. You didn't even know that much??

If what the current DOJ says is true, Obama knew all along that the Russia hoax was untrue.

Wrong again. More importantly the fact that you adopt MAGGOT gibberish jargon like "Russia hoax" tells us much about YOU, and your stubbornness.

And why are you incapable of answering simple questions. People who follow news now know that Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump were best friends. You have no response to that other than "Fake news. Biden and Obama were the real pederasts." ???

But Obama went forward with Russia investigations anyway for political reasons.

Wrong again.

As someone who voted for Obama, I doubt Obama is going to go to jail over this but what he did was clearly wrong in my eyes.

Serious question: Do you know anyone who values your opinion?

And it would be very foolish and stupid for the Republicans to indict Obama over this. Which is why they probably will since the Democrats have already set the precedence for political opponent lawfare.

The way things are sure to go we will be lucky not to be in another civil war.

What's the TL;DR for your whinge? "Demoncrats are teh evil" ?

 

[RVonse]

But even more ridiculous than this video is the number of Democrats out there who still believe Russia interfered in a material way on the 2016 election.

You are confused.
That Russia DID interfere in the 2016 election is NOT in dispute by any serious thinker. Try to fight your ignorance at Wikipedia --  Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections -- if you dare. It;s a HUGE article. Here's an early excerpt:

The Internet Research Agency (IRA), based in Saint Petersburg, Russia, and described as a troll farm, created thousands of social media accounts that purported to be Americans supporting radical political groups and planned or promoted events in support of Trump and against Clinton. They reached millions of social media users between 2013 and 2017. Fabricated articles and disinformation were spread from Russian government-controlled media, and promoted on social media. Additionally, computer hackers affiliated with the Russian military intelligence service (GRU) infiltrated information systems of the Democratic National Committee (DNC), the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC), and Clinton campaign officials, notably chairman John Podesta, and publicly released stolen files and emails through DCLeaks, Guccifer 2.0, and WikiLeaks during the election campaign. Several individuals connected to Russia contacted various Trump campaign associates, offering business opportunities to the Trump Organization and proffering damaging information on Clinton.

The controversy is whether there is PROOF that the Trump campaign and Putin's giant disinformation apparatus deliberately COLLUDED together. Can you understand the difference?

Can you understand the difference? The fact that you jump from Trump-Putin collusion to "Russia interference" tells us much about your capacity to cope with legal or political details.

"Collusion" is hard to define and hard to prove. There's plenty of evidence that some MAGGOTs were eager for Putin's support, e.g.

Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing, I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press,

Trump's DoJ in 2017 elected not to pursue the collusion allegations: That does NOT prove the allegations were false. But whether "collusion" occurred is irrelevant to the charge that "Russia interfered." That DID happen; indeed Putin's subversion of democracies around the world is on-going. You didn't even know that much??

If what the current DOJ says is true, Obama knew all along that the Russia hoax was untrue.

Wrong again. More importantly the fact that you adopt MAGGOT gibberish jargon like "Russia hoax" tells us much about YOU, and your stubbornness.

And why are you incapable of answering simple questions. People who follow news now know that Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump were best friends. You have no response to that other than "Fake news. Biden and Obama were the real pederasts." ???

But Obama went forward with Russia investigations anyway for political reasons.

Wrong again.

As someone who voted for Obama, I doubt Obama is going to go to jail over this but what he did was clearly wrong in my eyes.

Serious question: Do you know anyone who values your opinion?

And it would be very foolish and stupid for the Republicans to indict Obama over this. Which is why they probably will since the Democrats have already set the precedence for political opponent lawfare.

The way things are sure to go we will be lucky not to be in another civil war.

What's the TL;DR for your whinge? "Demoncrats are teh evil" ?

I'm just going by what I read and hear:

There is irrefutable evidence that details how President Obama and his national security team directed the creation of an intelligence community assessment that they knew was false,” Gabbard said at the briefing, adding that the idea that Russia interfered in the election to promote Trump was a “contrived narrative”.

"Obama’s administration “manufactured findings from shoddy sources … In doing so, they conspired to subvert the will of the American people, who elected Donald Trump in that election in November of 2016”, she said.

Gabbard added that she had referred the former president to the Justice Department for a possible criminal prosecution.

Previously, on July 18, Gabbard released a separate batch of declassified information containing a trove of documents, including emails (PDF) from Obama administration officials in the months leading up to the elections. In it, they concluded that “there is no indication of a Russian threat to directly manipulate the actual vote count through cyber means.”

Gabbard said in a statement that the Obama administration went ahead with investigating Russian interference after Trump won the 2016 elections, despite that initial conclusion and despite intelligence agencies like the CIA stating in advance of the vote that Russia could not affect the vote count. Those efforts were made to “subvert the will of the American people” and amounted to a “years-long coup” against Trump, she said."

Can Barack Obama be prosecuted over ‘Russian interference’ intelligence?

Intelligence chief Tulsi Gabbard claims former president ‘conspired’ to discredit Trump’s 2016 election win.

www.aljazeera.com

It is possible that aljazeera news isn't accurate but at this point I would trust that above anything read on wikipedia.

I have not made any comments about Trump not being or being a pedephile, so you must be confusing me with someone else.

 

[Toni]

Once that history is rewritten that will be the gospel for the MAGA folks. I mean, they've already written off his multiple affairs on his multiple wives and repainted him as a dedicated family man. The creepy remarks he's made about his daughters seems to have no impact, and I'm gonna take a wild guess and say they don't give a second thought to the fact that he briefly dated tennis star Gabriela Sabatini when he was 43 and she was still a teenager.

Couple that with his ownership of the Miss Teen USA pageant (he once bragged that he walked into their dressing rooms when they were half naked) and his long-standing friendship with the now-dead most famous pedophile in the world and you've got a pretty airtight case that he's at very least a creeper, but his cult STILL doesn't seem to grasp it. He can rewrite history and his followers will fall in line without question.

That's just exactly the point of my OP. Trump is losing extremely loyal supporters over this. By now even Trump knows and expects this but instead of chickening out (tariff style) and releasing Epstein documents he is saying good riddance to the supporters who are burning their hats (see my previous video this thread). Furthermore, there are people in Trump's administration doing obvious serious damage to their career and reputation by not fulfilling their Epstein promise of transparency.

That is NOT a cult. Those MAGA burning hats are (until now) loyal supporters with a firm philosophical character distancing themselves from Trump. To them, deep state political corruption and transparency was everything Trump stood for.

But even more curious than that is Trump being the first politician I have ever seen who is fine saying these loyal MAGA members should just go take a flying leap. This just isn't cult behavior at all IMO.

I cannot think of a single cult leader who gave a fig about the opinions of any of their devotees—except when it was in praise of and obedience to dear leader.

It is a little encouraging that some st least are not willing to give all to a kiddie rapist. I cannot for the life of me figure out why none of them noticed 9 years ago—or cared! It’s interesting to me that this very old story has re-emerged—Fortunately for Trump, one of his main under age at the time accusers has died and cannot testify, although there are record of her testimony.

 

[Toni]

But even more ridiculous than this video is the number of Democrats out there who still believe Russia interfered in a material way on the 2016 election.

You are confused.
That Russia DID interfere in the 2016 election is NOT in dispute by any serious thinker. Try to fight your ignorance at Wikipedia --  Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections -- if you dare. It;s a HUGE article. Here's an early excerpt:

The Internet Research Agency (IRA), based in Saint Petersburg, Russia, and described as a troll farm, created thousands of social media accounts that purported to be Americans supporting radical political groups and planned or promoted events in support of Trump and against Clinton. They reached millions of social media users between 2013 and 2017. Fabricated articles and disinformation were spread from Russian government-controlled media, and promoted on social media. Additionally, computer hackers affiliated with the Russian military intelligence service (GRU) infiltrated information systems of the Democratic National Committee (DNC), the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC), and Clinton campaign officials, notably chairman John Podesta, and publicly released stolen files and emails through DCLeaks, Guccifer 2.0, and WikiLeaks during the election campaign. Several individuals connected to Russia contacted various Trump campaign associates, offering business opportunities to the Trump Organization and proffering damaging information on Clinton.

The controversy is whether there is PROOF that the Trump campaign and Putin's giant disinformation apparatus deliberately COLLUDED together. Can you understand the difference?

Can you understand the difference? The fact that you jump from Trump-Putin collusion to "Russia interference" tells us much about your capacity to cope with legal or political details.

"Collusion" is hard to define and hard to prove. There's plenty of evidence that some MAGGOTs were eager for Putin's support, e.g.

Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing, I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press,

Trump's DoJ in 2017 elected not to pursue the collusion allegations: That does NOT prove the allegations were false. But whether "collusion" occurred is irrelevant to the charge that "Russia interfered." That DID happen; indeed Putin's subversion of democracies around the world is on-going. You didn't even know that much??

If what the current DOJ says is true, Obama knew all along that the Russia hoax was untrue.

Wrong again. More importantly the fact that you adopt MAGGOT gibberish jargon like "Russia hoax" tells us much about YOU, and your stubbornness.

And why are you incapable of answering simple questions. People who follow news now know that Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump were best friends. You have no response to that other than "Fake news. Biden and Obama were the real pederasts." ???

But Obama went forward with Russia investigations anyway for political reasons.

Wrong again.

As someone who voted for Obama, I doubt Obama is going to go to jail over this but what he did was clearly wrong in my eyes.

Serious question: Do you know anyone who values your opinion?

And it would be very foolish and stupid for the Republicans to indict Obama over this. Which is why they probably will since the Democrats have already set the precedence for political opponent lawfare.

The way things are sure to go we will be lucky not to be in another civil war.

What's the TL;DR for your whinge? "Demoncrats are teh evil" ?

I'm just going by what I read and hear:

There is irrefutable evidence that details how President Obama and his national security team directed the creation of an intelligence community assessment that they knew was false,” Gabbard said at the briefing, adding that the idea that Russia interfered in the election to promote Trump was a “contrived narrative”.

"Obama’s administration “manufactured findings from shoddy sources … In doing so, they conspired to subvert the will of the American people, who elected Donald Trump in that election in November of 2016”, she said.

Gabbard added that she had referred the former president to the Justice Department for a possible criminal prosecution.

Previously, on July 18, Gabbard released a separate batch of declassified information containing a trove of documents, including emails (PDF) from Obama administration officials in the months leading up to the elections. In it, they concluded that “there is no indication of a Russian threat to directly manipulate the actual vote count through cyber means.”

Gabbard said in a statement that the Obama administration went ahead with investigating Russian interference after Trump won the 2016 elections, despite that initial conclusion and despite intelligence agencies like the CIA stating in advance of the vote that Russia could not affect the vote count. Those efforts were made to “subvert the will of the American people” and amounted to a “years-long coup” against Trump, she said."

Can Barack Obama be prosecuted over ‘Russian interference’ intelligence?

Intelligence chief Tulsi Gabbard claims former president ‘conspired’ to discredit Trump’s 2016 election win.

www.aljazeera.com

It is possible that aljazeera news isn't accurate but at this point I would trust that above anything read on wikipedia.

I have not made any comments about Trump not being or being a pedephile, so you must be confusing me with someone else.

Gabbard was selected for her willingness to do whatever Trump wants ( or her other lords and masters), not because she has anything remotely resembling integrity or honesty.

 

[laughing dog]

Once that history is rewritten that will be the gospel for the MAGA folks. I mean, they've already written off his multiple affairs on his multiple wives and repainted him as a dedicated family man. The creepy remarks he's made about his daughters seems to have no impact, and I'm gonna take a wild guess and say they don't give a second thought to the fact that he briefly dated tennis star Gabriela Sabatini when he was 43 and she was still a teenager.

Couple that with his ownership of the Miss Teen USA pageant (he once bragged that he walked into their dressing rooms when they were half naked) and his long-standing friendship with the now-dead most famous pedophile in the world and you've got a pretty airtight case that he's at very least a creeper, but his cult STILL doesn't seem to grasp it. He can rewrite history and his followers will fall in line without question.

That's just exactly the point of my OP. Trump is losing extremely loyal supporters over this. By now even Trump knows and expects this but instead of chickening out (tariff style) and releasing Epstein documents he is saying good riddance to the supporters who are burning their hats (see my previous video this thread). Furthermore, there are people in Trump's administration doing obvious serious damage to their career and reputation by not fulfilling their Epstein promise of transparency.

That is NOT a cult. Those MAGA burning hats are (until now) loyal supporters with a firm philosophical character distancing themselves from Trump. To them, deep state political corruption and transparency was everything Trump stood for.

But even more curious than that is Trump being the first politician I have ever seen who is fine saying these loyal MAGA members should just go take a flying leap. This just isn't cult behavior at all IMO.

People leave cults. And when they di, cult leaders disparage them. So your response is unconvincing.

 

[ideologyhunter]

Gabbard was selected for her willingness to do whatever Trump wants ( or her other lords and masters), not because she has anything remotely resembling integrity or honesty.

Right, and that is the criterion for every hire in the Administration. Its corollary -- that they must fire anyone whose loyalty to Trump is in question -- is the basis for mass firings in the DOJ, DOD, and Department of State. We really are at the mercy of whatever bizarre notion comes into Trump's head, whatever ridiculous claim he hears on right wing news sources, and whatever diversion he wants to create on any given day. Traditional safeguards and emergency brakes -- you name it, the courts, the press, the unions -- have had their influence muted or cancelled. We are closer to Orban's Hungary than anything resembling a healthy republic.

 

[barbos]

But even more ridiculous than this video is the number of Democrats out there who still believe Russia interfered in a material way on the 2016 election.

You are confused.
That Russia DID interfere in the 2016 election is NOT in dispute by any serious thinker. Try to fight your ignorance at Wikipedia --  Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections -- if you dare. It;s a HUGE article. Here's an early excerpt:

The Internet Research Agency (IRA), based in Saint Petersburg, Russia, and described as a troll farm, created thousands of social media accounts that purported to be Americans supporting radical political groups and planned or promoted events in support of Trump and against Clinton. They reached millions of social media users between 2013 and 2017. Fabricated articles and disinformation were spread from Russian government-controlled media, and promoted on social media. Additionally, computer hackers affiliated with the Russian military intelligence service (GRU) infiltrated information systems of the Democratic National Committee (DNC), the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC), and Clinton campaign officials, notably chairman John Podesta, and publicly released stolen files and emails through DCLeaks, Guccifer 2.0, and WikiLeaks during the election campaign. Several individuals connected to Russia contacted various Trump campaign associates, offering business opportunities to the Trump Organization and proffering damaging information on Clinton.

The controversy is whether there is PROOF that the Trump campaign and Putin's giant disinformation apparatus deliberately COLLUDED together. Can you understand the difference?

Can you understand the difference? The fact that you jump from Trump-Putin collusion to "Russia interference" tells us much about your capacity to cope with legal or political details.

"Collusion" is hard to define and hard to prove. There's plenty of evidence that some MAGGOTs were eager for Putin's support, e.g.

Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing, I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press,

Trump's DoJ in 2017 elected not to pursue the collusion allegations: That does NOT prove the allegations were false. But whether "collusion" occurred is irrelevant to the charge that "Russia interfered." That DID happen; indeed Putin's subversion of democracies around the world is on-going. You didn't even know that much??

If what the current DOJ says is true, Obama knew all along that the Russia hoax was untrue.

Wrong again. More importantly the fact that you adopt MAGGOT gibberish jargon like "Russia hoax" tells us much about YOU, and your stubbornness.

And why are you incapable of answering simple questions. People who follow news now know that Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump were best friends. You have no response to that other than "Fake news. Biden and Obama were the real pederasts." ???

But Obama went forward with Russia investigations anyway for political reasons.

Wrong again.

As someone who voted for Obama, I doubt Obama is going to go to jail over this but what he did was clearly wrong in my eyes.

Serious question: Do you know anyone who values your opinion?

And it would be very foolish and stupid for the Republicans to indict Obama over this. Which is why they probably will since the Democrats have already set the precedence for political opponent lawfare.

The way things are sure to go we will be lucky not to be in another civil war.

What's the TL;DR for your whinge? "Demoncrats are teh evil" ?

I'm just going by what I read and hear:

There is irrefutable evidence that details how President Obama and his national security team directed the creation of an intelligence community assessment that they knew was false,” Gabbard said at the briefing, adding that the idea that Russia interfered in the election to promote Trump was a “contrived narrative”.

"Obama’s administration “manufactured findings from shoddy sources … In doing so, they conspired to subvert the will of the American people, who elected Donald Trump in that election in November of 2016”, she said.

Gabbard added that she had referred the former president to the Justice Department for a possible criminal prosecution.

Previously, on July 18, Gabbard released a separate batch of declassified information containing a trove of documents, including emails (PDF) from Obama administration officials in the months leading up to the elections. In it, they concluded that “there is no indication of a Russian threat to directly manipulate the actual vote count through cyber means.”

Gabbard said in a statement that the Obama administration went ahead with investigating Russian interference after Trump won the 2016 elections, despite that initial conclusion and despite intelligence agencies like the CIA stating in advance of the vote that Russia could not affect the vote count. Those efforts were made to “subvert the will of the American people” and amounted to a “years-long coup” against Trump, she said."

Can Barack Obama be prosecuted over ‘Russian interference’ intelligence?

Intelligence chief Tulsi Gabbard claims former president ‘conspired’ to discredit Trump’s 2016 election win.

www.aljazeera.com

It is possible that aljazeera news isn't accurate but at this point I would trust that above anything read on wikipedia.

I have not made any comments about Trump not being or being a pedephile, so you must be confusing me with someone else.

Gabbard was selected for her willingness to do whatever Trump wants ( or her other lords and masters), not because she has anything remotely resembling integrity or honesty.

Wow! what a bullshit.
Gabbard does have some weird views, but nobody has ever accused her of lack of integrity.
She was selected because she was highly critical of democrat's shit.
And you hate her becasue of that.

 

[bilby]

Gabbard does have some weird views, but nobody has ever accused her of lack of integrity.

Lots of people have made exactly that accusation, including (but far from limited to) the actual poster here you are responding to.

Your claim was refuted before you even made it, which suggests that Gabbard is far from the only individual with a severe integrity problem.

Fortunately for you, nobody cares about the integrity or the claims of someone whose credibility is below zero.

 

[Swammerdami]

I'm just going by what I read and hear.

Fine. That's what we all must do. And it's not always easy to decide whom to trust. I find (like you??) aljazeera news to be a good objective source on most topics (although their coverage of the Israel-Gaza war is biased). Wikipedia has plenty of faults, but it is editable by all so studying the Edit history and Talk page can help you navigate controversies. That is very time-consuming, but in your case it MIGHT be the ONLY approach that might help you escape from the web of deceit in which you are so thoroughly enmeshed.

I just explained that the "Russia hoax" is just another of Trump's gibberish phrases. I just explained much more than that ... but to no avail.
Here are two brief articles to get you started on the road to recovery:

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/06/donald-trump-speech-analysis
www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fclqvTg9vM

"There is irrefutable evidence that details how President Obama and his national security team directed the creation of an intelligence community assessment that they knew was false,” Gabbard said at the briefing, adding that the idea that Russia interfered in the election to promote Trump was a “contrived narrative”.

That's Tulsi Gabbard speaking, one of Trump's stooges. SHE is the person you "read and hear" to form opinions about reality?
Do you listen to RFK Jr to form opinions about Health and Human Services? Do you listen to Pete Hegseth to form opinions about military matters?

Can you even sense what the problem might be? The fact that Gabbard is your go-to source for Russian involvement tells us you lack the slightest clue.

www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/7/25/can-barack-obama-be-prosecuted-over-russian-interference-intelligence

Oh my. Aljazeera did what a good objective news source SHOULD do. Gabbard is a news maker. Her pie-hole opens and words emerge therefrom. Aljazeera reports what those words were. When an OBJECTIVE source reports what SOMEONE ELSE says, it's doing its job and may or may not be in agreement with the person quoted.

It is possible that aljazeera news isn't accurate but at this point I would trust that above anything read on wikipedia.

Prevarication. If you actually trusted aljazeera more than Trump and the other MAGA liars, you'd be able to escape from your Tunnel of Ignorance. In particular you would have read the actual article that you linked to!!

For example, here is what the Aljazeera reporters reported in the article that you just linked to and pretended to have read.
Let me repeat that: in the article that you just linked to and pretended to have read.

However, declassified documents released by Gabbard this week, including a September 2020 report led by House Republicans on the intelligence committee, do not appear to implicate Obama in any apparent way, experts say.

“There is no evidence of criminal acts on Obama’s part or anyone in his administration,” Barbara Ann Perry, who analyses US presidents at the Virginia-based Miller Center, told Al Jazeera.

Several investigations by Congress and the intelligence community have previously found that Russia did interfere in the 2016 election.

 

[Toni]

But even more ridiculous than this video is the number of Democrats out there who still believe Russia interfered in a material way on the 2016 election.

You are confused.
That Russia DID interfere in the 2016 election is NOT in dispute by any serious thinker. Try to fight your ignorance at Wikipedia --  Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections -- if you dare. It;s a HUGE article. Here's an early excerpt:

The Internet Research Agency (IRA), based in Saint Petersburg, Russia, and described as a troll farm, created thousands of social media accounts that purported to be Americans supporting radical political groups and planned or promoted events in support of Trump and against Clinton. They reached millions of social media users between 2013 and 2017. Fabricated articles and disinformation were spread from Russian government-controlled media, and promoted on social media. Additionally, computer hackers affiliated with the Russian military intelligence service (GRU) infiltrated information systems of the Democratic National Committee (DNC), the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC), and Clinton campaign officials, notably chairman John Podesta, and publicly released stolen files and emails through DCLeaks, Guccifer 2.0, and WikiLeaks during the election campaign. Several individuals connected to Russia contacted various Trump campaign associates, offering business opportunities to the Trump Organization and proffering damaging information on Clinton.

The controversy is whether there is PROOF that the Trump campaign and Putin's giant disinformation apparatus deliberately COLLUDED together. Can you understand the difference?

Can you understand the difference? The fact that you jump from Trump-Putin collusion to "Russia interference" tells us much about your capacity to cope with legal or political details.

"Collusion" is hard to define and hard to prove. There's plenty of evidence that some MAGGOTs were eager for Putin's support, e.g.

Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing, I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press,

Trump's DoJ in 2017 elected not to pursue the collusion allegations: That does NOT prove the allegations were false. But whether "collusion" occurred is irrelevant to the charge that "Russia interfered." That DID happen; indeed Putin's subversion of democracies around the world is on-going. You didn't even know that much??

If what the current DOJ says is true, Obama knew all along that the Russia hoax was untrue.

Wrong again. More importantly the fact that you adopt MAGGOT gibberish jargon like "Russia hoax" tells us much about YOU, and your stubbornness.

And why are you incapable of answering simple questions. People who follow news now know that Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump were best friends. You have no response to that other than "Fake news. Biden and Obama were the real pederasts." ???

But Obama went forward with Russia investigations anyway for political reasons.

Wrong again.

As someone who voted for Obama, I doubt Obama is going to go to jail over this but what he did was clearly wrong in my eyes.

Serious question: Do you know anyone who values your opinion?

And it would be very foolish and stupid for the Republicans to indict Obama over this. Which is why they probably will since the Democrats have already set the precedence for political opponent lawfare.

The way things are sure to go we will be lucky not to be in another civil war.

What's the TL;DR for your whinge? "Demoncrats are teh evil" ?

I'm just going by what I read and hear:

There is irrefutable evidence that details how President Obama and his national security team directed the creation of an intelligence community assessment that they knew was false,” Gabbard said at the briefing, adding that the idea that Russia interfered in the election to promote Trump was a “contrived narrative”.

"Obama’s administration “manufactured findings from shoddy sources … In doing so, they conspired to subvert the will of the American people, who elected Donald Trump in that election in November of 2016”, she said.

Gabbard added that she had referred the former president to the Justice Department for a possible criminal prosecution.

Previously, on July 18, Gabbard released a separate batch of declassified information containing a trove of documents, including emails (PDF) from Obama administration officials in the months leading up to the elections. In it, they concluded that “there is no indication of a Russian threat to directly manipulate the actual vote count through cyber means.”

Gabbard said in a statement that the Obama administration went ahead with investigating Russian interference after Trump won the 2016 elections, despite that initial conclusion and despite intelligence agencies like the CIA stating in advance of the vote that Russia could not affect the vote count. Those efforts were made to “subvert the will of the American people” and amounted to a “years-long coup” against Trump, she said."

Can Barack Obama be prosecuted over ‘Russian interference’ intelligence?

Intelligence chief Tulsi Gabbard claims former president ‘conspired’ to discredit Trump’s 2016 election win.

www.aljazeera.com

It is possible that aljazeera news isn't accurate but at this point I would trust that above anything read on wikipedia.

I have not made any comments about Trump not being or being a pedephile, so you must be confusing me with someone else.

Gabbard was selected for her willingness to do whatever Trump wants ( or her other lords and masters), not because she has anything remotely resembling integrity or honesty.

Wow! what a bullshit.
Gabbard does have some weird views, but nobody has ever accused her of lack of integrity.
She was selected because she was highly critical of democrat's shit.
And you hate her becasue of that.

Not at all. In fact, years back, I was excited at her candidacy for POTUS. But then I started reading more and more.

I do agree that being critical of Dems got her up a few rungs in Trump’s eyes.

 

[Swammerdami]

I knew little about Tulsi Gabbard except that she was the kooky "Democrat" who veered to become a MAGGOT when the Dems turned her down.

But the link Google highlights when I type her name suggests she fits in real well with the other greedy Trump-licking crooks:

WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump’s director of national intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard, is open for business — on social media at least. Gabbard has been DNI since February, yet a Raw Story review of her social media presence reveals her personal X account is still offering subscriptions at $5 a month. But that’s not all. On Gabbard’s personal Substack, it appears anyone, anywhere, foreign or domestic, can send unlimited donations.

“That’s not normal,” Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) told Raw Story, while walking to a vote in the Capitol. “It does become an interesting conflict of interest, though, if it’s a violation of ethics rules.

”That is crazy," said Rep. Pat Ryan (D-NY), a former Army intelligence officer. "There's so much corruption, it's sort of like, where do you focus?"
...
Told about Gabbard’s subscription offers on X and Substack, Rep. Ro Khanna (D-CA), a member of the armed services and oversight committees, said the issue might seem peripheral compared to “all the things we have to worry about in this country.”

But, Khanna said, it was “a fair point” to see the director of national intelligence soliciting for payment on social platforms might represent an instance of “the degradation of norms” under the Trump administration.

Ocasio-Cortez said: “We also see that a lot of cabinet level positions are being turned into reality TV regularly, and so I don't think it's a small thing, I think it's a big thing. “Ensuring that people aren't kind of setting up side businesses off of their public appointments is incredibly important.”

 

[TV and credit cards]

Ringmaster Trump directs your attention to the DNI on the high-wire performing without a net. After comments about Iran nearly resulted in a fatal fall, she has recovered with wild-ass accusations about a previous president.

 

[laughing dog]

Wow! what a bullshit.

Words fail to describe that irony.

Gabbard does have some weird views, but nobody has ever accused her of lack of integrity.
She was selected because she was highly critical of democrat's shit.
And you hate her becasue of that.

Wow! What bullshit!

 

[RVonse]

Once that history is rewritten that will be the gospel for the MAGA folks. I mean, they've already written off his multiple affairs on his multiple wives and repainted him as a dedicated family man. The creepy remarks he's made about his daughters seems to have no impact, and I'm gonna take a wild guess and say they don't give a second thought to the fact that he briefly dated tennis star Gabriela Sabatini when he was 43 and she was still a teenager.

Couple that with his ownership of the Miss Teen USA pageant (he once bragged that he walked into their dressing rooms when they were half naked) and his long-standing friendship with the now-dead most famous pedophile in the world and you've got a pretty airtight case that he's at very least a creeper, but his cult STILL doesn't seem to grasp it. He can rewrite history and his followers will fall in line without question.

That's just exactly the point of my OP. Trump is losing extremely loyal supporters over this. By now even Trump knows and expects this but instead of chickening out (tariff style) and releasing Epstein documents he is saying good riddance to the supporters who are burning their hats (see my previous video this thread). Furthermore, there are people in Trump's administration doing obvious serious damage to their career and reputation by not fulfilling their Epstein promise of transparency.

That is NOT a cult. Those MAGA burning hats are (until now) loyal supporters with a firm philosophical character distancing themselves from Trump. To them, deep state political corruption and transparency was everything Trump stood for.

But even more curious than that is Trump being the first politician I have ever seen who is fine saying these loyal MAGA members should just go take a flying leap. This just isn't cult behavior at all IMO.

I cannot think of a single cult leader who gave a fig about the opinions of any of their devotees—except when it was in praise of and obedience to dear leader.

It is a little encouraging that some st least are not willing to give all to a kiddie rapist. I cannot for the life of me figure out why none of them noticed 9 years ago—or cared! It’s interesting to me that this very old story has re-emerged—Fortunately for Trump, one of his main under age at the time accusers has died and cannot testify, although there are record of her testimony.

I find it highly unlikely MAGA were or are burning their hats because they believe Trump is a kiddie rapist. They surely are not so stupid to fall for the pedophile narrative for the following reasons:
1) If Trump was really a pedophile his Epstein pictures would have been leaked long ago during the Biden administration.
2) MAGA never cared much about Trump's morals anyway. If they did, Trump would have suffered much more during the pussy grabbing scandal.

It is far more likely MAGA are burning their hats due to much larger issues:
1) That Trump is allowing our country to be directly controlled by Israel
2) That Trump has been thoroughly compromised by the deep state (CIA, Mosad) and really has no control over of our government
3) That the election of Trump was just more of the same shit, despite his promises he is just acting like McCain anyway. Just like Biden acted just like McCain as well. More wars, more corruption, and less freedom for the taxpayers. No matter who you elect POTUS you get John McCain.

MAGA never did care that much for Trump as an individual. What they cared about what was they thought he could do for our country.

 

[RVonse]

I knew little about Tulsi Gabbard except that she was the kooky "Democrat" who veered to become a MAGGOT when the Dems turned her down.

But the link Google highlights when I type her name suggests she fits in real well with the other greedy Trump-licking crooks:

”That is crazy," said Rep. Pat Ryan (D-NY), a former Army intelligence officer. "There's so much corruption, it's sort of like, where do you focus?"

If you are Democrat representative from New York you should focus on Nancy Pelosi first. She is a key and blatant corrupt politician that would be in jail for $millions profit inside stock trading if she was not in congress able to make her own rules.

Go after Al Capone before you worry about the kid shop lifting a pencil from the local dime store.

I seriously doubt Gabbard is making $millions off taxpayers like Pelosi is doing everyday. For one obvious observation, Gabbord is not worth that much to have stolen that much. That being said, if Gabbard comes out of her political office a billionaire I will change my views on the matter.

 

[Toni]

Once that history is rewritten that will be the gospel for the MAGA folks. I mean, they've already written off his multiple affairs on his multiple wives and repainted him as a dedicated family man. The creepy remarks he's made about his daughters seems to have no impact, and I'm gonna take a wild guess and say they don't give a second thought to the fact that he briefly dated tennis star Gabriela Sabatini when he was 43 and she was still a teenager.

Couple that with his ownership of the Miss Teen USA pageant (he once bragged that he walked into their dressing rooms when they were half naked) and his long-standing friendship with the now-dead most famous pedophile in the world and you've got a pretty airtight case that he's at very least a creeper, but his cult STILL doesn't seem to grasp it. He can rewrite history and his followers will fall in line without question.

That's just exactly the point of my OP. Trump is losing extremely loyal supporters over this. By now even Trump knows and expects this but instead of chickening out (tariff style) and releasing Epstein documents he is saying good riddance to the supporters who are burning their hats (see my previous video this thread). Furthermore, there are people in Trump's administration doing obvious serious damage to their career and reputation by not fulfilling their Epstein promise of transparency.

That is NOT a cult. Those MAGA burning hats are (until now) loyal supporters with a firm philosophical character distancing themselves from Trump. To them, deep state political corruption and transparency was everything Trump stood for.

But even more curious than that is Trump being the first politician I have ever seen who is fine saying these loyal MAGA members should just go take a flying leap. This just isn't cult behavior at all IMO.

I cannot think of a single cult leader who gave a fig about the opinions of any of their devotees—except when it was in praise of and obedience to dear leader.

It is a little encouraging that some st least are not willing to give all to a kiddie rapist. I cannot for the life of me figure out why none of them noticed 9 years ago—or cared! It’s interesting to me that this very old story has re-emerged—Fortunately for Trump, one of his main under age at the time accusers has died and cannot testify, although there are record of her testimony.

I find it highly unlikely MAGA were or are burning their hats because they believe Trump is a kiddie rapist. They surely are not so stupid to fall for the pedophile narrative for the following reasons:
1) If Trump was really a pedophile his Epstein pictures would have been leaked long ago during the Biden administration.
2) MAGA never cared much about Trump's morals anyway. If they did, Trump would have suffered much more during the pussy grabbing scandal.

It is far more likely MAGA are burning their hats due to much larger issues:
1) That Trump is allowing our country to be directly controlled by Israel
2) That Trump has been thoroughly compromised by the deep state (CIA, Mosad) and really has no control over of our government
3) That the election of Trump was just more of the same shit, despite his promises he is just acting like McCain anyway. Just like Biden acted just like McCain as well. More wars, more corruption, and less freedom for the taxpayers.

MAGA never did care that much for Trump as an individual. What they cared about what was they thought he could do for our country.

To tell the truth, I don’t care much for the so called morality of MAGA. Of course they don’t care about Trump’s philandering ways: that’s what they think ‘real men ‘ do. They like what they think Trump can do for/to our country because they still have a 1950’s mentality where white = right and whites have all the rights. They like Trump because he voices their bigotry.

There is a point about Trump’s involvement being leaked earlier if it were true but the TRUTH is that so far, nothing I’ve read has not already been public knowledge for years now. I’m hardly the world’s best informed person but everything I’ve seen is old news.

 

[ZiprHead]

Once that history is rewritten that will be the gospel for the MAGA folks. I mean, they've already written off his multiple affairs on his multiple wives and repainted him as a dedicated family man. The creepy remarks he's made about his daughters seems to have no impact, and I'm gonna take a wild guess and say they don't give a second thought to the fact that he briefly dated tennis star Gabriela Sabatini when he was 43 and she was still a teenager.

Couple that with his ownership of the Miss Teen USA pageant (he once bragged that he walked into their dressing rooms when they were half naked) and his long-standing friendship with the now-dead most famous pedophile in the world and you've got a pretty airtight case that he's at very least a creeper, but his cult STILL doesn't seem to grasp it. He can rewrite history and his followers will fall in line without question.

That's just exactly the point of my OP. Trump is losing extremely loyal supporters over this. By now even Trump knows and expects this but instead of chickening out (tariff style) and releasing Epstein documents he is saying good riddance to the supporters who are burning their hats (see my previous video this thread). Furthermore, there are people in Trump's administration doing obvious serious damage to their career and reputation by not fulfilling their Epstein promise of transparency.

That is NOT a cult. Those MAGA burning hats are (until now) loyal supporters with a firm philosophical character distancing themselves from Trump. To them, deep state political corruption and transparency was everything Trump stood for.

But even more curious than that is Trump being the first politician I have ever seen who is fine saying these loyal MAGA members should just go take a flying leap. This just isn't cult behavior at all IMO.

I cannot think of a single cult leader who gave a fig about the opinions of any of their devotees—except when it was in praise of and obedience to dear leader.

It is a little encouraging that some st least are not willing to give all to a kiddie rapist. I cannot for the life of me figure out why none of them noticed 9 years ago—or cared! It’s interesting to me that this very old story has re-emerged—Fortunately for Trump, one of his main under age at the time accusers has died and cannot testify, although there are record of her testimony.

I find it highly unlikely MAGA were or are burning their hats because they believe Trump is a kiddie rapist. They surely are not so stupid to fall for the pedophile narrative for the following reasons:
1) If Trump was really a pedophile his Epstein pictures would have been leaked long ago during the Biden administration.

The Epstein files were locked by the judge until late 2024 due to the Maxwell trial. And Biden isn't an unethical POS who uses the Justice department for own personal uses.

2) MAGA never cared much about Trump's morals anyway. If they did, Trump would have suffered much more during the pussy grabbing scandal.

This I agree with. MAGAts displayed their immorality from the very start.

It is far more likely MAGA are burning their hats due to much larger issues:
1) That Trump is allowing our country to be directly controlled by Israel
2) That Trump has been thoroughly compromised by the deep state (CIA, Mosad) and really has no control over of our government

Conspiracy theories? Really?

3) That the election of Trump was just more of the same shit, despite his promises he is just acting like McCain anyway. Just like Biden acted just like McCain as well. More wars, more corruption, and less freedom for the taxpayers. No matter who you elect POTUS you get John McCain.

We tried to tell you.

MAGA never did care that much for Trump as an individual. What they cared about what was they thought he could do for our country.

Bullshit.

 

[Jarhyn]

MAGA never did care that much for Trump as an individual. What they cared about what was they thought he could do for our country.

Bullshit.

I mean, it's really not: they voted for him because they thought he could destroy the country. That's what they cared about. They didn't care really that it was "Trump" just that he could manage to cause something of the world to burn.