For those of you who think MAGA Trump supporters are in a cult

[Spacetime Inhabitant]

Once that history is rewritten that will be the gospel for the MAGA folks. I mean, they've already written off his multiple affairs on his multiple wives and repainted him as a dedicated family man. The creepy remarks he's made about his daughters seems to have no impact, and I'm gonna take a wild guess and say they don't give a second thought to the fact that he briefly dated tennis star Gabriela Sabatini when he was 43 and she was still a teenager.

Couple that with his ownership of the Miss Teen USA pageant (he once bragged that he walked into their dressing rooms when they were half naked) and his long-standing friendship with the now-dead most famous pedophile in the world and you've got a pretty airtight case that he's at very least a creeper, but his cult STILL doesn't seem to grasp it. He can rewrite history and his followers will fall in line without question.

That's just exactly the point of my OP. Trump is losing extremely loyal supporters over this. By now even Trump knows and expects this but instead of chickening out (tariff style) and releasing Epstein documents he is saying good riddance to the supporters who are burning their hats (see my previous video this thread). Furthermore, there are people in Trump's administration doing obvious serious damage to their career and reputation by not fulfilling their Epstein promise of transparency.

That is NOT a cult. Those MAGA burning hats are (until now) loyal supporters with a firm philosophical character distancing themselves from Trump. To them, deep state political corruption and transparency was everything Trump stood for.

But even more curious than that is Trump being the first politician I have ever seen who is fine saying these loyal MAGA members should just go take a flying leap. This just isn't cult behavior at all IMO.

I cannot think of a single cult leader who gave a fig about the opinions of any of their devotees—except when it was in praise of and obedience to dear leader.

It is a little encouraging that some st least are not willing to give all to a kiddie rapist. I cannot for the life of me figure out why none of them noticed 9 years ago—or cared! It’s interesting to me that this very old story has re-emerged—Fortunately for Trump, one of his main under age at the time accusers has died and cannot testify, although there are record of her testimony.

I find it highly unlikely MAGA were or are burning their hats because they believe Trump is a kiddie rapist. They surely are not so stupid to fall for the pedophile narrative for the following reasons:
1) If Trump was really a pedophile his Epstein pictures would have been leaked long ago during the Biden administration.
2) MAGA never cared much about Trump's morals anyway. If they did, Trump would have suffered much more during the pussy grabbing scandal.

It is far more likely MAGA are burning their hats due to much larger issues:
1) That Trump is allowing our country to be directly controlled by Israel
2) That Trump has been thoroughly compromised by the deep state (CIA, Mosad) and really has no control over of our government
3) That the election of Trump was just more of the same shit, despite his promises he is just acting like McCain anyway. Just like Biden acted just like McCain as well. More wars, more corruption, and less freedom for the taxpayers. No matter who you elect POTUS you get John McCain.

MAGA never did care that much for Trump as an individual. What they cared about what was they thought he could do for our country.

Ah, President McCain. Remind us all again what number POTUS he was.
MAGA don't care about your country; only about their personal strange behaviour, and "owning" the libs.

 

[Ford]

Once that history is rewritten that will be the gospel for the MAGA folks. I mean, they've already written off his multiple affairs on his multiple wives and repainted him as a dedicated family man. The creepy remarks he's made about his daughters seems to have no impact, and I'm gonna take a wild guess and say they don't give a second thought to the fact that he briefly dated tennis star Gabriela Sabatini when he was 43 and she was still a teenager.

Couple that with his ownership of the Miss Teen USA pageant (he once bragged that he walked into their dressing rooms when they were half naked) and his long-standing friendship with the now-dead most famous pedophile in the world and you've got a pretty airtight case that he's at very least a creeper, but his cult STILL doesn't seem to grasp it. He can rewrite history and his followers will fall in line without question.

That's just exactly the point of my OP. Trump is losing extremely loyal supporters over this. By now even Trump knows and expects this but instead of chickening out (tariff style) and releasing Epstein documents he is saying good riddance to the supporters who are burning their hats (see my previous video this thread). Furthermore, there are people in Trump's administration doing obvious serious damage to their career and reputation by not fulfilling their Epstein promise of transparency.

That is NOT a cult.

And one more time, with feeling...

Just because some prominent members leave the cult doesn't mean it was never a cult in the first place. As I said before, Mike Rinder was a senior executive at the Church of Scientology. He served on the board of directors, was executive director of the "Office of Special Affairs," and a senior member of the "Sea Org."

He left, wrote a book, and made media appearances criticizing the "Church" including a co-hosting stint on Leah Remini's (who was born into the cult) docu-series on Scientology.

Scientology is STILL a cult.

Rank and file MAGA are still accepting anything Trump tells them without reservation, even if it is a bald-faced lie. The "faithful" send him as much money as they can possibly afford (and in many cases they can't) just like in a cult. The Leader is venerated above all else and whatever he says is Truth. The fact that prominent followers broke away doesn't mean it was never a cult to begin with. I mean, that Babbitt woman sacrificed her life for Trump on J6 and her family STILL supports him.

 

[barbos]

But even more ridiculous than this video is the number of Democrats out there who still believe Russia interfered in a material way on the 2016 election.

You are confused.
That Russia DID interfere in the 2016 election is NOT in dispute by any serious thinker. Try to fight your ignorance at Wikipedia --  Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections -- if you dare. It;s a HUGE article. Here's an early excerpt:

The Internet Research Agency (IRA), based in Saint Petersburg, Russia, and described as a troll farm, created thousands of social media accounts that purported to be Americans supporting radical political groups and planned or promoted events in support of Trump and against Clinton. They reached millions of social media users between 2013 and 2017. Fabricated articles and disinformation were spread from Russian government-controlled media, and promoted on social media. Additionally, computer hackers affiliated with the Russian military intelligence service (GRU) infiltrated information systems of the Democratic National Committee (DNC), the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC), and Clinton campaign officials, notably chairman John Podesta, and publicly released stolen files and emails through DCLeaks, Guccifer 2.0, and WikiLeaks during the election campaign. Several individuals connected to Russia contacted various Trump campaign associates, offering business opportunities to the Trump Organization and proffering damaging information on Clinton.

The controversy is whether there is PROOF that the Trump campaign and Putin's giant disinformation apparatus deliberately COLLUDED together. Can you understand the difference?

Can you understand the difference? The fact that you jump from Trump-Putin collusion to "Russia interference" tells us much about your capacity to cope with legal or political details.

"Collusion" is hard to define and hard to prove. There's plenty of evidence that some MAGGOTs were eager for Putin's support, e.g.

Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing, I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press,

Trump's DoJ in 2017 elected not to pursue the collusion allegations: That does NOT prove the allegations were false. But whether "collusion" occurred is irrelevant to the charge that "Russia interfered." That DID happen; indeed Putin's subversion of democracies around the world is on-going. You didn't even know that much??

If what the current DOJ says is true, Obama knew all along that the Russia hoax was untrue.

Wrong again. More importantly the fact that you adopt MAGGOT gibberish jargon like "Russia hoax" tells us much about YOU, and your stubbornness.

And why are you incapable of answering simple questions. People who follow news now know that Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump were best friends. You have no response to that other than "Fake news. Biden and Obama were the real pederasts." ???

But Obama went forward with Russia investigations anyway for political reasons.

Wrong again.

As someone who voted for Obama, I doubt Obama is going to go to jail over this but what he did was clearly wrong in my eyes.

Serious question: Do you know anyone who values your opinion?

And it would be very foolish and stupid for the Republicans to indict Obama over this. Which is why they probably will since the Democrats have already set the precedence for political opponent lawfare.

The way things are sure to go we will be lucky not to be in another civil war.

What's the TL;DR for your whinge? "Demoncrats are teh evil" ?

I'm just going by what I read and hear:

There is irrefutable evidence that details how President Obama and his national security team directed the creation of an intelligence community assessment that they knew was false,” Gabbard said at the briefing, adding that the idea that Russia interfered in the election to promote Trump was a “contrived narrative”.

"Obama’s administration “manufactured findings from shoddy sources … In doing so, they conspired to subvert the will of the American people, who elected Donald Trump in that election in November of 2016”, she said.

Gabbard added that she had referred the former president to the Justice Department for a possible criminal prosecution.

Previously, on July 18, Gabbard released a separate batch of declassified information containing a trove of documents, including emails (PDF) from Obama administration officials in the months leading up to the elections. In it, they concluded that “there is no indication of a Russian threat to directly manipulate the actual vote count through cyber means.”

Gabbard said in a statement that the Obama administration went ahead with investigating Russian interference after Trump won the 2016 elections, despite that initial conclusion and despite intelligence agencies like the CIA stating in advance of the vote that Russia could not affect the vote count. Those efforts were made to “subvert the will of the American people” and amounted to a “years-long coup” against Trump, she said."

Can Barack Obama be prosecuted over ‘Russian interference’ intelligence?

Intelligence chief Tulsi Gabbard claims former president ‘conspired’ to discredit Trump’s 2016 election win.

www.aljazeera.com

It is possible that aljazeera news isn't accurate but at this point I would trust that above anything read on wikipedia.

I have not made any comments about Trump not being or being a pedephile, so you must be confusing me with someone else.

Gabbard was selected for her willingness to do whatever Trump wants ( or her other lords and masters), not because she has anything remotely resembling integrity or honesty.

Wow! what a bullshit.
Gabbard does have some weird views, but nobody has ever accused her of lack of integrity.
She was selected because she was highly critical of democrat's shit.
And you hate her becasue of that.

Not at all. In fact, years back, I was excited at her candidacy for POTUS. But then I started reading more and more.

I do agree that being critical of Dems got her up a few rungs in Trump’s eyes.

You are talking utter BS. Gabbard clearly believes in what she is doing. She does not care much for trump, but she knows that democratic part is not right place for her either. She would have been decent POTUS.

 

[James Brown]

Did anyone quit the Jim Jones cult before Jonestown?

Yes, individuals did leave the People's Temple before the Jonestown massacre.

I'd like to hear more about this, "Some individuals burning their hats prove they weren't in a cult."

Jordan Klepper Talks To The Loving Followers Of Donald Trump​

Trump Supporter: "I feel like 'cult' is such a negative word. We are not a cult...

Jordan Klepper: Are there any old hits or things you hope [Trump] goes back to?

TS: Ummmm, oh gosh, I feel like whatever he spews out of his mouth I just love it!" (laughs)

 

[Toni]

But even more ridiculous than this video is the number of Democrats out there who still believe Russia interfered in a material way on the 2016 election.

You are confused.
That Russia DID interfere in the 2016 election is NOT in dispute by any serious thinker. Try to fight your ignorance at Wikipedia --  Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections -- if you dare. It;s a HUGE article. Here's an early excerpt:

The Internet Research Agency (IRA), based in Saint Petersburg, Russia, and described as a troll farm, created thousands of social media accounts that purported to be Americans supporting radical political groups and planned or promoted events in support of Trump and against Clinton. They reached millions of social media users between 2013 and 2017. Fabricated articles and disinformation were spread from Russian government-controlled media, and promoted on social media. Additionally, computer hackers affiliated with the Russian military intelligence service (GRU) infiltrated information systems of the Democratic National Committee (DNC), the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC), and Clinton campaign officials, notably chairman John Podesta, and publicly released stolen files and emails through DCLeaks, Guccifer 2.0, and WikiLeaks during the election campaign. Several individuals connected to Russia contacted various Trump campaign associates, offering business opportunities to the Trump Organization and proffering damaging information on Clinton.

The controversy is whether there is PROOF that the Trump campaign and Putin's giant disinformation apparatus deliberately COLLUDED together. Can you understand the difference?

Can you understand the difference? The fact that you jump from Trump-Putin collusion to "Russia interference" tells us much about your capacity to cope with legal or political details.

"Collusion" is hard to define and hard to prove. There's plenty of evidence that some MAGGOTs were eager for Putin's support, e.g.

Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing, I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press,

Trump's DoJ in 2017 elected not to pursue the collusion allegations: That does NOT prove the allegations were false. But whether "collusion" occurred is irrelevant to the charge that "Russia interfered." That DID happen; indeed Putin's subversion of democracies around the world is on-going. You didn't even know that much??

If what the current DOJ says is true, Obama knew all along that the Russia hoax was untrue.

Wrong again. More importantly the fact that you adopt MAGGOT gibberish jargon like "Russia hoax" tells us much about YOU, and your stubbornness.

And why are you incapable of answering simple questions. People who follow news now know that Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump were best friends. You have no response to that other than "Fake news. Biden and Obama were the real pederasts." ???

But Obama went forward with Russia investigations anyway for political reasons.

Wrong again.

As someone who voted for Obama, I doubt Obama is going to go to jail over this but what he did was clearly wrong in my eyes.

Serious question: Do you know anyone who values your opinion?

And it would be very foolish and stupid for the Republicans to indict Obama over this. Which is why they probably will since the Democrats have already set the precedence for political opponent lawfare.

The way things are sure to go we will be lucky not to be in another civil war.

What's the TL;DR for your whinge? "Demoncrats are teh evil" ?

I'm just going by what I read and hear:

There is irrefutable evidence that details how President Obama and his national security team directed the creation of an intelligence community assessment that they knew was false,” Gabbard said at the briefing, adding that the idea that Russia interfered in the election to promote Trump was a “contrived narrative”.

"Obama’s administration “manufactured findings from shoddy sources … In doing so, they conspired to subvert the will of the American people, who elected Donald Trump in that election in November of 2016”, she said.

Gabbard added that she had referred the former president to the Justice Department for a possible criminal prosecution.

Previously, on July 18, Gabbard released a separate batch of declassified information containing a trove of documents, including emails (PDF) from Obama administration officials in the months leading up to the elections. In it, they concluded that “there is no indication of a Russian threat to directly manipulate the actual vote count through cyber means.”

Gabbard said in a statement that the Obama administration went ahead with investigating Russian interference after Trump won the 2016 elections, despite that initial conclusion and despite intelligence agencies like the CIA stating in advance of the vote that Russia could not affect the vote count. Those efforts were made to “subvert the will of the American people” and amounted to a “years-long coup” against Trump, she said."

Can Barack Obama be prosecuted over ‘Russian interference’ intelligence?

Intelligence chief Tulsi Gabbard claims former president ‘conspired’ to discredit Trump’s 2016 election win.

www.aljazeera.com

It is possible that aljazeera news isn't accurate but at this point I would trust that above anything read on wikipedia.

I have not made any comments about Trump not being or being a pedephile, so you must be confusing me with someone else.

Gabbard was selected for her willingness to do whatever Trump wants ( or her other lords and masters), not because she has anything remotely resembling integrity or honesty.

Wow! what a bullshit.
Gabbard does have some weird views, but nobody has ever accused her of lack of integrity.
She was selected because she was highly critical of democrat's shit.
And you hate her becasue of that.

Not at all. In fact, years back, I was excited at her candidacy for POTUS. But then I started reading more and more.

I do agree that being critical of Dems got her up a few rungs in Trump’s eyes.

You are talking utter BS. Gabbard clearly believes in what she is doing. She does not care much for trump, but she knows that democratic part is not right place for her either. She would have been decent POTUS.

No. She would not have been a decent POTUS.

 

[unapologetic]

No. She would not have been a decent POTUS.

(I have nothing to add. I just want to de-clutter this thread)
(please stop +quoting the whole thread in your replys.)

 

[Toni]

No. She would not have been a decent POTUS.

(I have nothing to add. I just want to de-clutter this thread)
(please stop +quoting the whole thread in your replys.)

Sorry. I’m traveling and ….

 

[unapologetic]

Sorry. I’m traveling and ….

It isn't just you.

 

[TomC]

Sorry. I’m traveling and ….

It isn't just you.

It absolutely is not just her. And I also find it annoying as hell.
Tom

 

[Ford]

No. She would not have been a decent POTUS.

Speaking of cults...

Tulsi - like everyone appointed to Cabinet positions by Fragilego Mussolini - was picked not for her abilities or critical thinking, but for her ability to be told what to do and follow the leader's wishes. Anyone with a serious intelligence background and a spine would have lost their ever-loving mind at the DoD head using a public messaging app to discuss sensitive intel, and would have gone straight to the President and demanded he be fired immediately. Any reasonable President would agree (or have never appointed someone so inept), but on the off chance that Gabbard DID speak up, she was either ignored or told to toe the line. This is the person in charge of ALL our intel agencies? Sweet non-existent Jesus we're fucked. Throw in her Trump-like admiration for Vladimir Putin (along with her willingness to be led around by the nose, whether by a cult leader or other powerful person), and I'd bet she'd have already handed Ukraine over to Russia by now.

 

[barbos]

No. She would not have been a decent POTUS.

Says..... supporter of senile in chief

 

[barbos]

Tulsi - like everyone appointed to Cabinet positions by Fragilego Mussolini - was picked not for her abilities or critical thinking, but for her ability to be told what to do and follow the leader's wishes.

Then she clearly failed at that when she recently went against his wishes.

 

[lostone]

No. She would not have been a decent POTUS.

Says..... supporter of senile in chief

Our current POTUS is the also a senile in chief. Be more specific.

 

[Toni]

No. She would not have been a decent POTUS.

Says..... supporter of senile in chief

Hey, you and your boss are fans of Trump, not me.

 

[barbos]

No. She would not have been a decent POTUS.

Says..... supporter of senile in chief

Hey, you and your boss are fans of Trump, not me.

First of all, he is not my boss, second of all, he is not fun of Trump, released documents have shown that conclusively.
So you are wrong on all counts.

 

[barbos]

No. She would not have been a decent POTUS.

Says..... supporter of senile in chief

Our current POTUS is the also a senile in chief. Be more specific.

He is more of a dumbfuck in chief variety of POTUS. But I am glad you agreed that Biden is senile.

 

[Swammerdami]

Sorry. I’m traveling and ….

It isn't just you.

It absolutely is not just her. And I also find it annoying as hell.
Tom

Much or most of the blame belongs on the EDITOR. It has a "feature" which would make responding to quotes easy if it worked. But instead it almost always screws up the quote tree in one of several ways, often misattributing quotes. I'm often inconvenienced posting via my laptop. Kudos to anyone who can respond to a post here using only their telephone.

 

[Swammerdami]

Here's another example of a strangulation staged to look like a suicide: One of the best scenes from one of the best TV series.

Has anyone here NOT watched The Wire? I decided that the scene where Avon learns who killed his nephew is NOT off-topic in this thread. Though filmed way back in 2003, Avon sarcastically says to his colleague "We the Trump brothers ... the chump brothers."

Spoiler

Avon accuses Stringer of not being "hard" enough. Stringer is goaded and mentions a time he WAS "hard."

 

[Toni]

No. She would not have been a decent POTUS.

Says..... supporter of senile in chief

Our current POTUS is the also a senile in chief. Be more specific.

He is more of a dumbfuck in chief variety of POTUS. But I am glad you agreed that Biden is senile.

I don’t actually think Biden is senile. I do think if Biden were senile, his mental acuity would be about 1000 times Trump’s.

I wasn’t clear: I think Putin is ( or was) a big fan of Trump being POTUS—precisely because Trump is a corrupt dumb fuck that Putin could manipulate. Too bad Putin was vain enough to believe that Trump, who has zero loyalty to anyone other than himself, would not turn on Putin soon enough.

 

[barbos]

I don’t actually think Biden is senile.

I know, no need to repeat it. And you are wrong.

I think Putin is ( or was) a big fan of Trump being POTUS—precisely because Trump is a corrupt dumb fuck that Putin could manipulate

I think Putin is smart enough to know that was a hopeless idea because everyone could manipulate that orange piece of shit and since Putin does not play golf with with Trump daily....