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Enacting policies that will make the locals hate Israel isn't a good long-term solution.

It's a pretty good politically motivated sort of racist ideology, though. I mean aside from there not being a notable distinction outside of nationalism and religion. Historically hardly original other than it's painfully obvious sick justification.

Humans being.
 
While you minimize the persecution of Gazans.

And they are Jews. Arabs and Jews are both Semitic.
I've pointed that out before. It hasn't seemed to take.

Its a retarded thing to say. Everyone knows the word "antisemitism" now refers to Jews specifically. The fact that once it had a wider meaning is irrelevant.

Pointing it out to score points, doesn't make you seem intellectual. It makes you look like a clueless nerd. It makes me question the wisdom of your conclusions in general
 
And the reasoning of using a snapshot of a “chunky” adult to dismiss the reports based on 1000s of screened children by NGOs and the UN of a marked increase in malnutrition rates is impeccable logic. Truly brilliant.
Those two were just examples. The fact is that generally, adults appear well-fed.
Base on your long term red movement around Gaza or cherry pickrd photos from the internet?
Derec said:
At least some of the emaciated children have underlying medical conditions, which makes their use for propaganda very ghoulish.
Fascinating. I didn’t realize your medical expertise allows you to make accurate diagnoses from internet photos. Otherwise, I’d wouldn’t know whether to laugh or cry as morally depraved passive aggressive dismissal of the effects of the blockade.
 
While you minimize the persecution of Gazans.

And they are Jews. Arabs and Jews are both Semitic.
I've pointed that out before. It hasn't seemed to take.

Its a retarded thing to say. Everyone knows the word "antisemitism" now refers to Jews specifically. The fact that once it had a wider meaning is irrelevant.

Pointing it out to score points, doesn't make you seem intellectual. It makes you look like a clueless nerd. It makes me question the wisdom of your conclusions in general
The incredible irony of that response makes one wonder if it makes life easier or harder to be so self-unaware.
 
No, I don’t. Its horrible. The suffering of Gazans is a tragedy.

But easing up on the pressure will give room to Hamas to survive. Better to get rid of them once and for all.

Allowing Hamas to survive is the worse tragedy. This is better. For both the Palestinians and Israelis. Long term.
So, you are for ethnic cleansing.
 
You just described how minimising the persecution of Jews works. Well done
While you minimize the persecution of Gazans.
No, I don’t. Its horrible. The suffering of Gazans is a tragedy.

But easing up on the pressure will give room to Hamas to survive. Better to get rid of them once and for all.
Umm... once and for all? This isn't a movie.

No, it's war. Hamas os not the same thing as Palestinians. They're a foreign parasitic body taking advantage of the retarded Jews vs Muslim dichotomy, (going in the minds of Palestinians) in order to stay in power.

Which means that Palestinians feel they're obligated to defend and support Hamas even when they know Hamas is evil and is destroying Gaza.

I believe that the moment Gaza is eradicated (militarily) Gazan support for Hamas will evaporate in an instant.

The support will go to another organisation committed to murdering all Jews. Let's just hope it's not an organisation controlled and funded by Iran. Which is the real problem with Hamas


Allowing Hamas to survive is the worse tragedy. This is better. For both the Palestinians and Israelis. Long term.
Enacting policies that will make the locals hate Israel isn't a good long-term solution.

It won't make a difference. Palestinian/Arab culture is like this. Its very tribal.

The Palestinians would hate the Jews no matter what.

But smart Palestinians know that current Palestinian culture is dysfunctional. So I believe it can change. But that change has to come from within. And will take a long time. But you are foolish if you think Palestinian opinions about Jews are rational. They're really not. And the Palestinians are aware of it.

There's nothing the Israelis can do to make the Palestinians not hate them. Its now a very hatey culture.

The Palestinian hatred is mostly theatre. Its mostly just stuff they feel they need to say for the sake of social cohesion. But they will never act on it. Mostly. Its odd to witness. The Palestinians and Israelis also rather hang out with eachother than people from other cultures. Which says everything about how deep that hate goes.

Anyway... Israel trying to make Palestinians like them is a waste of time. Palestinians are unfortunately stubbornly committed to hating Jews no matter what.
 
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No, I don’t. Its horrible. The suffering of Gazans is a tragedy.

But easing up on the pressure will give room to Hamas to survive. Better to get rid of them once and for all.

Allowing Hamas to survive is the worse tragedy. This is better. For both the Palestinians and Israelis. Long term.
So, you are for ethnic cleansing.

Have you stopped beating your wife?
 
No, I don’t. Its horrible. The suffering of Gazans is a tragedy.

But easing up on the pressure will give room to Hamas to survive. Better to get rid of them once and for all.

Allowing Hamas to survive is the worse tragedy. This is better. For both the Palestinians and Israelis. Long term.
So, you are for ethnic cleansing.

Have you stopped beating your wife?
What a moronic response. You’re the one against easing the pressure against Hamas in order to achieve the impossible dream of eliminating Hamas. That dream literally means ethnic cleansing.

I don’t see why it bothers such an upfront bigot like yourself.

At least be honest about it.
 
No, I don’t. Its horrible. The suffering of Gazans is a tragedy.

But easing up on the pressure will give room to Hamas to survive. Better to get rid of them once and for all.

Allowing Hamas to survive is the worse tragedy. This is better. For both the Palestinians and Israelis. Long term.
So, you are for ethnic cleansing.

Have you stopped beating your wife?
What a moronic response. You’re the one against easing the pressure against Hamas in order to achieve the impossible dream of eliminating Hamas. That dream literally means ethnic cleansing.

I don’t see why it bothers such an upfront bigot like yourself.

At least be honest about it.

So you're a committed wife beater then?
 
No, I don’t. Its horrible. The suffering of Gazans is a tragedy.

But easing up on the pressure will give room to Hamas to survive. Better to get rid of them once and for all.

Allowing Hamas to survive is the worse tragedy. This is better. For both the Palestinians and Israelis. Long term.
So, you are for ethnic cleansing.

Have you stopped beating your wife?
What a moronic response. You’re the one against easing the pressure against Hamas in order to achieve the impossible dream of eliminating Hamas. That dream literally means ethnic cleansing.

I don’t see why it bothers such an upfront bigot like yourself.

At least be honest about it.

So you're a committed wife beater then?
I’ve often wondered if those that employ such a despicable slander are simply projecting.

I produced a rationale for my observation. Flinging unsupported allegations is a form of evasion. If you have a rational supported by the content of my posts, you should provide it to avoid looking like an asshat.
 
No, I don’t. Its horrible. The suffering of Gazans is a tragedy.

But easing up on the pressure will give room to Hamas to survive. Better to get rid of them once and for all.

Allowing Hamas to survive is the worse tragedy. This is better. For both the Palestinians and Israelis. Long term.
Do you really think Hamas and the other groups can be completely eliminated??? That is an insane statement.

Not only will they survive but Israel is creating new recruits willing to fight daily. Do you really think a person that just watched their parent or sibling in a food line get shot by the IDF is just going to say "Oh, well. had to happen. We'll be much better in the future because of it."
 
You just described how minimising the persecution of Jews works. Well done
While you minimize the persecution of Gazans.
No, I don’t. Its horrible. The suffering of Gazans is a tragedy.

But easing up on the pressure will give room to Hamas to survive. Better to get rid of them once and for all.
Umm... once and for all? This isn't a movie.

No, it's war. Hamas os not the same thing as Palestinians. They're a foreign parasitic body taking advantage of the retarded Jews vs Muslim dichotomy, (going in the minds of Palestinians) in order to stay in power.

Which means that Palestinians feel they're obligated to defend and support Hamas even when they know Hamas is evil and is destroying Gaza.

I believe that the moment Gaza is eradicated (militarily) Gazan support for Hamas will evaporate in an instant.
The support will go to another organisation committed to murdering all Jews.
Allowing Hamas to survive is the worse tragedy. This is better. For both the Palestinians and Israelis. Long term.
Enacting policies that will make the locals hate Israel isn't a good long-term solution.
It won't make a difference. Palestinian/Arab culture is like this. Its very tribal.
The Palestinians would hate the Jews no matter what.
But smart Palestinians know that current Palestinian culture is dysfunctional. So I believe it can change.
But that change has to come from within. And will take a long time. But you are foolish if you think Palestinian opinions about Jews are rational. They're really not. And the Palestinians are aware of it.
The Palestinian hatred is mostly theatre. Its mostly just stuff they feel they need to say for the sake of social cohesion. But they will never act on it.
Mostly. Its odd to witness. The Palestinians and Israelis also rather hang out with eachother than people from other cultures. Which says everything about how deep that hate goes.

Anyway... Israel trying to make Palestinians like them is a waste of time. Palestinians are unfortunately stubbornly committed to hating Jews no matter what.
So it is all an act, it is irrational, it can change... but it'll take time, it is tribal and they are committed long term to hating Israel. o_O

But I suppose I need to take that nonsense you just posted seriously because you've lived in Gaza for the last couple of decades... wait no... you worked on an art project with a few people.
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
So it is all an act, it is irrational, it can change... but it'll take time, it is tribal and they are committed long term to hating Israel. o_O

But I suppose I need to take that nonsense you just posted seriously because you've lived in Gaza for the last couple of decades... wait no... you worked on an art project with a few people.
And he was married to a crazy Israeli.
 
It’s tempting to dismiss widespread hunger in Gaza because you see one adult with full cheeks,
And another adult with a belly. The point is that those are examples. Generally, adults appear well-fed. Even in the photo posted by sothernhybrid above with the guy carrying some cardboard boxes, the people in the photo look well-fed to me.
Young children, with their tiny fat and muscle reserves, can fall into life-threatening wasting within days of insufficient food, while adults draw on longer-term stores and often don’t look “skeletal” even as their bodies break down.
Yes, children have less reserves. But also, some children have underlying health conditions, and some of them are used as subjects of these propaganda photos.

The Truth Behind the Viral Gazan Famine Photo
David Collier said:
This isn’t the face of famine. It’s the face of a medically vulnerable child whose suffering was hijacked and weaponised – first by Hamas, then by global media.
Unless you have been hiding under a rock all week, you would have seen the viral images of Mohammed, the child victim of the Gazan ‘famine’. The image used by most of these outlets was licensed to Anadolu, a Turkish state-run news agency headquartered in Ankara. The photos were taken by the Gaza-based photographer, Ahmed Jihad Ibrahim Al-arini, and uploaded to his Instagram account on 22nd July – a day before the Express splashed it across their front page. But in fact another Gazan based account, Saeed Mohammed had shared similar images even earlier.
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Except this image proves none of it. Wider and unpublished pictures show Mohammed’s healthy brother Joud, who was born on 18 April 2022 and is 3 years old. Mohammed was born on 23 December 2023, just two months after October 7.
What we can see from the pictures is that both Mohammed’s mother and his older brother, look healthy and are not suffering from any type of starvation that would be necessary to cause the thinness suffered by Mohammed.
[...]
Muhammad Zakariya Ayyoub al-Matouq /Mutawwaq (was born with serious genetic disorders. He has needed specialist medical supplements since birth. Like previous examples of the media using ‘starving children’ going back to summer 2024 – the image is of a child suffering underlying (and hidden) health issues.
A medical report issued in May 2025 by the Basma Association for Relief in Gaza states that Mohammed, has been diagnosed with cerebral palsy – a group of neurological disorders affecting movement, muscle tone, and posture. The report notes that Mohammed suffers from hypoxemia (low oxygen in the blood), possibly linked to a suspected genetic disorder inherited in an ‘autosomal recessive pattern.’
As I have been saying.
The story being told through legacy media outlets such as the NYT is that Mohammed’s father was killed while going out to collect food. Again, to underline the Gaza hunger tragedy narrative. This has been reported without any attempt at verification. From the death certificate I can see the father Zakaria Ayoub Al-Matouq / Mutawwaq (زكريا أيوب المطوق) was killed on 28 October 2024: From online sources it turns out that Mohammed’s father, was killed in Jabalia, in what appears to be a targeted strike on ‘al Qassabeeb’ street. We can also see that Hamas were attacking the IDF in precisely that spot at the time (posts from 26 & 27th October).
While that is not proof since it could be a coincidence, it seems that it is likely that Little Mohammed's father indeed was a Hamasnik.
Of course, in propaganda accounts, every single killed Gazan is a civilian who did things like go out for food. Nobody who is killed is a fighter for Hamas or Islamic Jihad, they would have us believe.
I also wonder if the two parents are cousins. Consanguineous marriage is very common in Gaza, and it leads to higher prevalence of genetic disorders.
The spread of inbreeding marriages in Palestine
"Marry your cousin, keep the problems away". LMAO!

Worse still, severe protein deficiency can trigger kwashiorkor, where fluid accumulates under the skin and makes faces appear deceptively swollen rather than nourished.
Bisan does not look like she is suffering from kwashiorkor. She has made a lot of these videos, and she looks similar to how she's always looked.

On the ground, the facts are grim and unambiguous: UNRWA screening finds that roughly ten percent of Gaza’s children under five are clinically malnourished, and Médecins Sans Frontières has documented a three-fold spike in acute malnutrition among toddlers, with many tens of thousands in urgent need of therapeutic feeding.
UNRWA is notoriously biased agaisnt Israel, and has been infiltrated by Hamas.
Evidence of antisemitic, violence- and hatred-inciting conduct by UNRWA teachers
The Connection Between UNRWA and Hamas in Gaza
MSF is the group that facilitates human smuggling into Europe.
Neither of these groups is trustworthy.
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Relying on a handful of snapshots to dismiss a full-blown humanitarian catastrophe is a textbook stunt. A single image of a man hauling boxes tells us nothing about how long it’s been since his last meal. Adults burn fat and muscle much more slowly than children, so severe hunger often shows up first as wasting or edema in little ones while grown-ups can still carry weight—or even retain fluid that makes them look plumper. The only way to know who’s truly malnourished is through systematic measurements—mid-upper-arm circumference, weight-for-height scores, blood protein levels—and those clinical surveys in Gaza’s clinics are ringing alarm bells, not random Instagram posts.

Cherry-picking one family to paint every starving child as a Hamas agent is not skepticism—it’s cynicism. The “viral famine photo” exposé you link is a partisan blog that makes wild leaps from one family’s background to dismissing thousands of independent medical assessments. Underlying health conditions and genetic disorders from cousin marriage are a separate public-health issue; they do not cause the acute wasting, edema, fungal infections and biochemical markers that define kwashiorkor and marasmus. To suggest otherwise is to conflate distinct medical realities and distract from the hard data showing tens of thousands of children in critical condition.

Khwashiorkor is not a static look that you can confirm or deny with TikTok highlights. Fluid retention can ebb and flow, and a brief edit of a smiling child tells you nothing about her mid-upper-arm circumference or blood albumin. The clinics in Gaza are filling malnutrition wards with kids who pass all clinical thresholds for emergency feeding—children you never see online. Your impression from a polished video clip is irrelevant next to those medical admissions.

Yes, some UNRWA staff were dismissed over misconduct, but its nutrition surveys adhere to internationally recognized standards and are independently audited by WHO, UNICEF and the World Food Programme. Médecins Sans Frontières rescues migrants at sea under binding maritime law—not “smuggles” them—and their Gaza operations run under strict neutrality and medical ethics. Smearing these agencies to discredit every report on Gaza’s malnutrition is a strategy to bury the facts. It fails to explain why ovens in UN clinics are baking therapeutic peanut-paste sachets by the thousands while ward after ward remains packed with children on the brink of starvation.

NHC
 
What a coincidence! Like Doc, I too have been away for about three weeks while working on art projects — plural, in my case. Mine did not, however, Involve any collaborations with imaginary Israelis and Palestinians who got along just swell!

The day after the 249th anniversary of the founding of slavery’s land and cowardice’s home, my puter went tits up.:sadcheer:Rather than buy a new one outright, I decided to finance the purchase entirely through making and selling art, which I have now done.

I did occasionally check the intertubes and iidb on my shitty ass Android phone, a painful experience, like looking at a huge room through the keyhole of a locked door. The logo of every site I surfed appeared, except for iidb. Maybe @RayJ could look at that issue. I was’t about to try and post messages on that shitty thing.

Just getting my feet wet here again for now. More later with the genocide apologists.
 
Relying on a handful of snapshots to dismiss a full-blown humanitarian catastrophe is a textbook stunt.
It's the other way around! It's those who claim a "full-blown humanitarian catastrophe" that rely on a handful of cases of children with preexisting conditions, while dismissing the far more numerous photos and video of normal-looking people milling about.
A single image of a man hauling boxes tells us nothing about how long it’s been since his last meal.
It is not a "single image", it's almost every image or video coming from Gaza. And one can make deductions based on how the guy looks. Same as one can make deductions when a single child looks emaciated while other people in their family look normal.

Adults burn fat and muscle much more slowly than children, so severe hunger often shows up first as wasting or edema in little ones while grown-ups can still carry weight—or even retain fluid that makes them look plumper. The only way to know who’s truly malnourished is through systematic measurements—mid-upper-arm circumference, weight-for-height scores, blood protein levels—and those clinical surveys in Gaza’s clinics are ringing alarm bells, not random Instagram posts.
Who is conducting these supposed tests? Hamas health ministry? UNRWA, which has been infiltrated by Hamas?
Cherry-picking one family to paint every starving child as a Hamas agent is not skepticism—it’s cynicism.
It is not I who is cherry-picking this case, but all the Western news outlets who are running photos of this kid and acting as useful idiots for Hamas propaganda. I also did not call the kid a "Hamas agent", but I did say that his father likely was.
The “viral famine photo” exposé you link is a partisan blog that makes wild leaps from one family’s background to dismissing thousands of independent medical assessments.
It does a good job debunking this case. A case, which has been widely used for anti-Israel propaganda purposes.
Underlying health conditions and genetic disorders from cousin marriage are a separate public-health issue; they do not cause the acute wasting, edema, fungal infections and biochemical markers that define kwashiorkor and marasmus. To suggest otherwise is to conflate distinct medical realities and distract from the hard data showing tens of thousands of children in critical condition.
There are genetic conditions that affect nutrient absorption and synthesis of essential biomolecules. It is a good explanation of very different appearance of the propaganda kid vs. his own brother.
Khwashiorkor is not a static look that you can confirm or deny with TikTok highlights.
If you admit that you can't confirm it, then why did you bring it up? If a person posted a lot of videos from over a year ago, and looks pretty much the same, the reasonable inference is that she did not suffer a radical change in her circumstances, such as access to food.
Fluid retention can ebb and flow, and a brief edit of a smiling child tells you nothing about her mid-upper-arm circumference or blood albumin. The clinics in Gaza are filling malnutrition wards with kids who pass all clinical thresholds for emergency feeding—children you never see online. Your impression from a polished video clip is irrelevant next to those medical admissions.
It would be more credible if there were disinterested groups conducting these measurements and assessments.
Yes, some UNRWA staff were dismissed over misconduct, but its nutrition surveys adhere to internationally recognized standards and are independently audited by WHO, UNICEF and the World Food Programme.
Again, there is a long history of anti-Israel bias on part of UNRWA. You can't dismiss that and pretend that they would be above falsifying data for propaganda purposes.
Médecins Sans Frontières rescues migrants at sea under binding maritime law—not “smuggles” them—
It's de facto smuggling. These mass migrants deliberately put themselves in distress by launching flimsy dinghies and call for "rescue" on a satellite phone as soon as they are past the 12 mile territorial water line. All that is fully part of the plan. That makes "rescuers" who sail them to Europe instead to a port in Africa accomplices.
and their Gaza operations run under strict neutrality and medical ethics.
LMAO!
Smearing these agencies to discredit every report on Gaza’s malnutrition is a strategy to bury the facts. It fails to explain why ovens in UN clinics are baking therapeutic peanut-paste sachets by the thousands while ward after ward remains packed with children on the brink of starvation.
They would not need all those sachets if Hamas wasn't diverting what food does come in.
 
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Do you really think Hamas and the other groups can be completely eliminated??? That is an insane statement.
Maybe not completely, but they can be largely eliminated. Already, ~25k of fighters for Hamas and allied terror groups have been killed, and more have been wounded. Dozens of senior commanders have been eliminated, including top leades such as Sinwar Brothers and Mohammed Deif.
Of course, that relies on the international community not trying to pressure Israel into giving concessions to Hamas, like that idiot Keir Starmer is doing.
Starmer says UK will recognize Palestinian state unless Israel agrees ceasefire, ends Gaza suffering
In addition to the incontrovertible fact that "Palestine" is nowhere close to being able to function as a state, this will only embolden Hamas into not budging from their absolutist demands, including releasing 1000s of Palestinian terrorists from Israeli prisons.
What Starmer (and also Macron) should have said that UK (and France) would not even consider such a recognition unless and until Hamas unconditionally releases all hostages, disarms and disbands. That would have been a courageous move, instead of this pathetic attempt to appease the Corbynites.
Not only will they survive but Israel is creating new recruits willing to fight daily.
Hamas et al were already very good at propaganda (aided by UNRWA schools) and recruitment. Before the war, already >10% of the military age males were fighters for Hamas and allied terror groups like Islamic Jihad and PFLP.
Which means that most additional recruits will be second-string. What do you this is the percentage of military age males that makes good fighters? No more than 15% I would say.
And those new recruits will have to be trained. If ~25k of well-trained, experienced fighters are killed and replaced with ~25k fresh recruits with rudimentary training, that's a pretty good trade from the IDF standpoint.
Do you really think a person that just watched their parent or sibling in a food line get shot by the IDF is just going to say "Oh, well. had to happen. We'll be much better in the future because of it."
I am skeptical of these claims (according to Israel haters, every single dead Gazan is claimed to be a civilian, and none of them are terrorists), but as I said, anti-Israel propaganda was already in full force by Hamas, and they enjoyed high recruitment before the war.
 
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