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Thanks for confirming my conclusion that you are a sociopath.

You nailed it.

Especially putrid is his claim that if it “looks like ethnic cleansing” to us then we are “antisemitic.” Huh? If I or anyone genuinely believes Israel is committing genocide, we are anti-Semitic for saying so??? The logical upshot of this sociopathic statement is that anyone who opposes genocide by Israel is an antisemite.
 

Storing munitions in civilian areas flagrantly violates the obligation under Additional Protocol I Article 58 to take “all feasible precautions” to remove military objectives from populated zones and protect non-combatants.

https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/api-1977/article-58.

That breach by Hamas compounds, rather than erases, Israel’s duty as occupier to safeguard civilians and ensure humanitarian relief.
I am pleased you managed to squeeze a very muted criticism of Hamas in here.
Let me see if I understand you correctly.
Is it's Israel's duty to ensure that it does not denote muntions that Hamas has stored in the safe zones? How does Israel do that? Hamas is not going to put up a sign that says "Muntions stored here. Please do not bomb."
What clairvoyance can Isreal use to know where Hamas' muntions are stored?
What about Hamas not storing muntions there in the first place? What about Hamas not stationing themselves on the safe zones?
We all know that Hamas will use the safe zones as they care not a whit about the locals.

Yes. Under international humanitarian law, an Occupying Power must always take all feasible precautions to avoid—or at least minimize—civilian harm when attacking a military objective. That means Israel must identify its targets as military, verify the presence of munitions or combatants, choose means and methods that reduce risks to civilians, and issue advance warnings whenever possible. It isn’t clairvoyance—it’s standard military intelligence: high-resolution imagery, drone surveillance, signals intercepts, interrogations, human informants, pattern-of-life analysis, and open-source monitoring. If Israel strikes without taking these steps, it violates the principles of distinction and proportionality.

IHL never assumes enemy cooperation. It obliges the attacker to conduct its own rigorous reconnaissance. Israel’s forces combine satellite photos, UAV feeds, intercepted communications, debriefs of captured fighters, and reports from civilian networks. Those intelligence sources need not come with a neon sign. As long as the evidence is credible and the expected civilian harm not excessive in relation to the concrete military advantage, an attack can lawfully proceed. Absent such credible information, launching a strike would be unlawful.

That is exactly Hamas’s legal obligation—under Additional Protocol I—to avoid placing military objectives in or near civilian zones. Their repeated use of “safe zones” for weapons depots and command posts is a blatant war crime (human shields). But even if Hamas flagrantly breaches the law, Israel’s separate duty to safeguard civilians and facilitate relief remains unchanged. One party’s violation never negates the other party’s fundamental IHL obligations.

Precisely—that cynical tactic only underscores why Israel must redouble its precautions. IHL does not excuse an attacker from due diligence simply because the defender fights from among civilians. Israel must adjust timing, munitions, and targeting methods—delaying strikes, using precision-guided weapons, selective engagement windows—to uphold its legal duty. If civilian harm cannot be sufficiently minimized, the attack must be postponed or aborted.

In sum, Israel’s duty is not suspended by Hamas’s misconduct. Both sides bear separate, non-derogable obligations: Hamas must not weaponize civilian areas, and Israel must not recklessly or indiscriminately strike them. Any attack lacking credible targeting intelligence or failing to minimize civilian risk breaches the law, regardless of where or how Hamas stores its munitions.

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In sum, Israel’s duty is not suspended by Hamas’s misconduct. Both sides bear separate, non-derogable obligations: Hamas must not weaponize civilian areas, and Israel must not recklessly or indiscriminately strike them. Any attack lacking credible targeting intelligence or failing to minimize civilian risk breaches the law, regardless of where or how Hamas stores its munitions.

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Forgive my clipping of your longer eloquent explanation to its superb summary.

I wonder how anyone will characterize it with the insane slanders as “terrorist apologia” or “Hamas apologia” or “antisemitism “ or my personal favorite “Jewish genocide “.
 
Thank you Dr. Obvious. Do you have a point? Because the far right in Netanhyu's coalition is calling for the removal of Gazans. And the IDF is killling noncombatants on a daily basis. And until a short while ago. Israel blockaded food and medical supplies into Gaza in a vain attempt to get Hamas to agree to their ceasefire demands. All in all,. it looks more and more like ethnic cleansing.

Your hair-splitting semantic apologia only proves my point.

If it looks like ethnic cleansing to you then my conclusion is that you are antisemitic.
You already conceded that Netanyahu tried to displace the Gazans into Egypt. Mass relocation is one of the "ethnic cleansing" things. Don't need to wipe them out to be ethnic cleansing.

So either you are anti-Semitic, in conceding that happened, or you are using the word poorly.
FYI, if Israel didn’t go out of their way to protect Palestinian civilians, this war would have been over a long time ago. Its just sad you can't see that.
Netanyahu's military polciies are leaving little of Gaza left to go home to. That is also an "ethnic cleansing" thing.
 

Labeling any correction as “propaganda” and responding with vandalism against a free press illustrates the very campaign to intimidate outlets into silence. Vandals spray-painted the New York Times building with “NYT Lies, Gaza Dies” immediately after the paper amended its story on Gaza starvation—an attack on journalistic integrity, not a vindication of your claim
And, once again, you utterly fail to understand.

We are not labeling the correction propaganda. We are labeling the original, uncorrected version as propaganda. If there had been any integrity to the reporting process it would never have gone to press as reported. The problems were obvious, they were ignored. It would be like reporting that alcohol was involved in a traffic accident where a driver struck a keg of beer that fell into the road.

And the original report was tweeted to an account that has 55 million followers. The correction was tweeted to an account with <100k followers.

And while I disagree with the vandalism I do not see how that remotely is trying to intimidate them into silence. That vandalism was shaming them for a falsehood. The Times no longer has any journalistic integrity left to protect, anyway.

And under the Fourth Geneva Convention, Article 59 and Additional Protocol I Article 70, an Occupying Power must “agree to relief schemes” and “guarantee their protection,” even if third parties impede safe passage; setting up “humanitarian zones” carries no carve-out for failures of armed groups.

Technical point: When you end a sentence with a URL and rely on the board to parse the link do not put a period on the end of the sentence. The parser fails to understand and includes the period in the URL, making it a 404.

And about article 70:
Article 70 said:
3. The Parties to the conflict and each High Contracting Party which allow the passage of relief consignments, equipment and personnel in accordance with paragraph 2:

(a) shall have the right to prescribe the technical arrangements, including search, under which such passage is permitted;
(b) may make such permission conditional on the distribution of this assistance being made under the local supervision of a Protecting Power;
(c) shall, in no way whatsoever, divert relief consignments from the purpose for which they are intended nor delay their forwarding, except in cases of urgent necessity in the interest of the civilian population concerned.

Look at 2a: Israel gets to decide how it's done. And 2b: If Hamas doesn't cooperate Israel is under no obligation.

And the horse spoke about 2c:
Supplies that entered Gaza: 40kt. Supplies picked up: 27kt. In other words, the UN left 1/3 of the supplies at the border. And of what they actually picked up 4kt reached it's destination while 23kt was diverted.

Add that up. 90% of the supplies aren't reaching the people. If there's starvation that's why.


Storing munitions in civilian areas flagrantly violates the obligation under Additional Protocol I Article 58 to take “all feasible precautions” to remove military objectives from populated zones and protect non-combatants.
And who is storing them there? Hamas. Why are you blaming Israel?
Absolute figures from massive crises like Sudan’s don’t mitigate Gaza’s plight. The IPC warns famine is “playing out” in the Gaza Strip, with regions already exceeding famine thresholds.

And they are lying. On the page you link there's a page that is an explanation of the categories. And on that page we see that phase V is expected to kill 2-4 people per 10k per day. That's 400-800 people/day for Gaza. Hamas only claims 66 total.

Under UNCLOS Article 98 and the SOLAS and SAR Conventions, every shipmaster must render assistance to persons in distress at sea, regardless of how they arrived there. MSF’s search-and-rescue operations save lives as a legal duty—mischaracterizing them as smuggling endangers mariners and those in peril.
First of all, it's a manufactured "distress". They are quite intentionally marooning themselves at sea, they are not the victims of an accident or malicious action.

The real world isn't the fantasyland you think it is. Let's look back 50 years ago. I was a passenger in a bus, there was a line of people including kids across the road. What did the driver do?
Step on the gas.
Because that's exactly what the authorities said to do in the situation. They were bandits.

Second, under normal rules they would be returned to the country they are off the coast of. That doesn't happen because they'll be killed if they return.
 
Thank you Dr. Obvious. Do you have a point? Because the far right in Netanhyu's coalition is calling for the removal of Gazans. And the IDF is killling noncombatants on a daily basis. And until a short while ago. Israel blockaded food and medical supplies into Gaza in a vain attempt to get Hamas to agree to their ceasefire demands. All in all,. it looks more and more like ethnic cleansing.

Your hair-splitting semantic apologia only proves my point.

If it looks like ethnic cleansing to you then my conclusion is that you are antisemitic.
You already conceded that Netanyahu tried to displace the Gazans into Egypt. Mass relocation is one of the "ethnic cleansing" things. Don't need to wipe them out to be ethnic cleansing.

So either you are anti-Semitic, in conceding that happened, or you are using the word poorly.
FYI, if Israel didn’t go out of their way to protect Palestinian civilians, this war would have been over a long time ago. Its just sad you can't see that.
Netanyahu's military polciies are leaving little of Gaza left to go home to. That is also an "ethnic cleansing" thing.

If you want to convince me of anything, try harder. Now you are grasping at straws
 
Thank you Dr. Obvious. Do you have a point? Because the far right in Netanhyu's coalition is calling for the removal of Gazans. And the IDF is killling noncombatants on a daily basis. And until a short while ago. Israel blockaded food and medical supplies into Gaza in a vain attempt to get Hamas to agree to their ceasefire demands. All in all,. it looks more and more like ethnic cleansing.

Your hair-splitting semantic apologia only proves my point.

If it looks like ethnic cleansing to you then my conclusion is that you are antisemitic.
You already conceded that Netanyahu tried to displace the Gazans into Egypt. Mass relocation is one of the "ethnic cleansing" things. Don't need to wipe them out to be ethnic cleansing.

So either you are anti-Semitic, in conceding that happened, or you are using the word poorly.
FYI, if Israel didn’t go out of their way to protect Palestinian civilians, this war would have been over a long time ago. Its just sad you can't see that.
Netanyahu's military polciies are leaving little of Gaza left to go home to. That is also an "ethnic cleansing" thing.

If you want to convince me of anything, try harder. Now you are grasping at straws
Grasping at straws? Attempting mass population displacement and destroying a lot of Gaza to make it uninhabitable is "ethnic cleansing" or at least attempting it

You've conceded the prior, it is hard to contest the later. That isn't grasping at straws, it is summing up the conclusion.
 
And, once again, you utterly fail to understand.

We are not labeling the correction propaganda. We are labeling the original, uncorrected version as propaganda. If there had been any integrity to the reporting process it would never have gone to press as reported. The problems were obvious, they were ignored. It would be like reporting that alcohol was involved in a traffic accident where a driver struck a keg of beer that fell into the road.

And the original report was tweeted to an account that has 55 million followers. The correction was tweeted to an account with <100k followers.

And while I disagree with the vandalism I do not see how that remotely is trying to intimidate them into silence. That vandalism was shaming them for a falsehood. The Times no longer has any journalistic integrity left to protect, anyway.

Mistakes and oversights happen in every newsroom, which is precisely why corrections exist. Calling the uncorrected story “propaganda” ignores that The New York Times publicly acknowledged and amended the error—and appended a clear correction to the original article online so all future readers see it. That process upholds, rather than undermines, journalistic integrity.


Reach disparities are regrettable, but the correction also appears on the main article page and in the paper’s print edition—ensuring it cannot be “buried.” Every reader who visits the original link sees the update at the top. Corrections aren’t confined to a secondary feed; they’re integrated into the story itself.


Spray-painting a news outlet’s offices with “NYT Lies” is coercion, plain and simple—no more “shaming” than burning a building is “protest.” It sends a message: question our narrative at your peril. True integrity isn’t proved by enduring graffiti; it’s proved by transparent corrections, source verifications, and willingness to own errors.



Technical point: When you end a sentence with a URL and rely on the board to parse the link do not put a period on the end of the sentence. The parser fails to understand and includes the period in the URL, making it a 404.

And about article 70:
3. The Parties to the conflict and each High Contracting Party which allow the passage of relief consignments, equipment and personnel in accordance with paragraph 2:

(a) shall have the right to prescribe the technical arrangements, including search, under which such passage is permitted;
(b) may make such permission conditional on the distribution of this assistance being made under the local supervision of a Protecting Power;
(c) shall, in no way whatsoever, divert relief consignments from the purpose for which they are intended nor delay their forwarding, except in cases of urgent necessity in the interest of the civilian population concerned.
Look at 2a: Israel gets to decide how it's done. And 2b: If Hamas doesn't cooperate Israel is under no obligation.

Point taken. I’ll ensure URLs are never followed by trailing punctuation so they remain fully functional.

Those subparagraphs address how relief is secured—they allow the Occupying Power to set reasonable security or logistical measures (e.g., inspection protocols, protected routes, impartial oversight by a Protecting Power) to prevent diversion of aid into military channels. They do not permit outright refusal or indefinite delay. Article 70 (2) mandates that “the Parties… shall allow and facilitate rapid and unimpeded passage of all relief consignments… even if… destined for the civilian population of the adverse Party.” And Article 70 (3 c) flatly forbids any diversion or delay except where an urgent necessity in the interest of civilians exists. If Hamas refuses the security arrangements in (a) or (b), Israel must still guarantee relief—by providing alternative oversight (for example via the ICRC), conducting distribution itself, or adjusting its measures. Failure to do so would breach the Occupying Power’s non-derogable duty to protect and facilitate humanitarian aid under GC IV Art. 59 and AP I Art. 70 (2–3).

And the horse spoke about 2c:

The UN2720 dashboard tracks every consignment’s off-load, collection and arrival, but under Additional Protocol I Article 70(3 c), “the Parties… shall, in no way whatsoever, divert relief consignments… nor delay their forwarding, except in cases of urgent necessity in the interest of the civilian population concerned.

https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/api-1977/article-70

Any hold-up at the border—whether due to security checks or recalcitrant armed actors—must be minimized. And under Fourth Geneva Convention Article 59, the Occupying Power “shall… facilitate [relief] by all the means at its disposal.

https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/gciv-1949/article-59/commentary/1958


Supplies that entered Gaza: 40kt. Supplies picked up: 27kt. In other words, the UN left 1/3 of the supplies at the border. And of what they actually picked up 4kt reached it's destination while 23kt was diverted.

Add that up. 90% of the supplies aren't reaching the people. If there's starvation that's why.

Those figures highlight a massive diversion by armed intermediaries, but Israel’s obligations remain. As Occupying Power, Israel controls the crossings and security zones; it must escort convoys, authorize ICRC/UN monitoring, or even take direct charge of distribution to ensure aid gets to civilians. Failing to deploy these measures violates its non-derogable duty under GC IV Art. 59 and AP I Art. 70 to prevent starvation.
And who is storing them there? Hamas. Why are you blaming Israel?

Storing munitions in civilian areas is indeed Hamas’s war crime (AP I Art. 58), but that does not nullify Israel’s separate duty. Occupation law vests Israel with authority over Gaza’s borders and the means to secure and supervise relief operations. Blaming Hamas for diversion is correct—but Israel is legally responsible for bridging the gap and must act to protect humanitarian aid and the lives of Gaza’s civilians.

And they are lying. On the page you link there's a page that is an explanation of the categories. And on that page we see that phase V is expected to kill 2-4 people per 10k per day. That's 400-800 people/day for Gaza. Hamas only claims 66 total.

That is a misreading of the IPC standard. The 2 deaths per 10 000 people per day (4 for children) is a diagnostic threshold to classify an area as Famine (IPC Phase 5), not a prediction of how many will actually die each day if famine is declared.

It sets the bar for severity: once mortality exceeds that rate, an area meets the Famine definition.


Gaza’s roughly 2.3 million population would indeed cross the threshold at about 460 adult deaths per day—or 920 child deaths—if those rates were met. But the current, documented hunger-related fatalities already signal catastrophic conditions, even before reaching that extreme threshold.

WHO reports 74 malnutrition-related deaths in 2025 alone—with 63 occurring in July—based on clinical admissions and death certifications.


The Financial Times confirms an “exponential increase,” citing 89 hunger-related deaths in July and 154 since October 2023.


Hamas’s figure of “66 total” refers only to officially registered child malnutrition deaths and systematically undercounts adult fatalities, indirect deaths from disease, and unrecorded cases in hard-to-reach areas. A Brown University study using IPC methods estimates at least 62 413 starvation deaths—and 5 000 more from blocked chronic care—since October 2023.

In short, the IPC’s mortality threshold is a marker of famine severity, and independent, multi-source data confirm Gaza’s mortality far exceeds the 66-child figure, underscoring both the validity of the IPC classification and the depth of the crisis.

First of all, it's a manufactured "distress". They are quite intentionally marooning themselves at sea, they are not the victims of an accident or malicious action.

The real world isn't the fantasyland you think it is. Let's look back 50 years ago. I was a passenger in a bus, there was a line of people including kids across the road. What did the driver do?

Under the SAR Convention, “distress” means any situation where someone is at risk of death unless assisted—whether by shipwreck, unseaworthy vessel, overcrowding, lack of fuel, or deliberate action. The cause of peril is irrelevant: once people are in grave danger, every shipmaster must render assistance. Intention or planning by migrants doesn’t nullify the legal duty to save lives at sea (SAR Conv. Art. 1.1 & 3.1; SOLAS Reg. V/33).

Anecdotal road scenarios don’t override binding maritime law. Unlike hypothetical bus drivers, shipmasters operate under SOLAS and UNCLOS, which impose an absolute obligation to assist anyone in distress at sea, regardless of fault or context (UNCLOS Art. 98; SAR Conv. Art. 3).

Second, under normal rules they would be returned to the country they are off the coast of. That doesn't happen because they'll be killed if they return.

The SAR Convention requires disembarkation at a “place of safety,” not automatic return to territorial waters of departure. Returning people to zones where they face persecution or death would breach non-refoulement under the Refugee Convention (Art. 33). Humanitarian rescuers must deliver survivors to a safe port where their physical and legal rights can be protected—precisely why MSF lands migrants in European ports, not Libya or Tunisia.

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Humanitarian rescuers must deliver survivors to a safe port where their physical and legal rights can be protected—precisely why MSF lands migrants in European ports, not Libya or Tunisia.
Are you saying that Muslims are fundamentally dangerous people, therefore there are no safe places for Muslims to go except secular countries?
It's what it sounded like.
Feel free to expand on why delivering survivors to a Muslim society would result unsafe conditions for them.
Tom
 
Humanitarian rescuers must deliver survivors to a safe port where their physical and legal rights can be protected—precisely why MSF lands migrants in European ports, not Libya or Tunisia.
Are you saying that Muslims are fundamentally dangerous people, therefore there are no safe places for Muslims to go except secular countries?
It's what it sounded like.
Feel free to expand on why delivering survivors to a Muslim society would result unsafe conditions for them.
Tom

Not at all. Maritime rescue law defines a “place of safety” purely by its ability to meet survivors’ needs—medical treatment, shelter, food, legal protection—and to guarantee they won’t be pushed back into harm (the non-refoulement obligation), not by the dominant religion of the state.

At the time MSF operated in the central Mediterranean, both Libya and the Tunisian coast were in active conflict or under weak governance, with documented abuses of migrants: arbitrary detention, torture, trafficking, and forced returns across deserts or back into war zones. These conditions violate the SAR Convention’s requirement that survivors be taken to a location where their “physical safety” and “basic human needs” can be met and where they can access asylum procedures free from persecution.

European ports in EU states—bound by the SAR and SOLAS Conventions and the 1951 Refugee Convention’s non-refoulement principle—were the only available “places of safety” meeting those criteria. They offered functioning medical facilities, impartial legal processes, and protection against forced return.

In short, the decision to disembark in Europe was driven solely by the legal duty to ensure rescued individuals reach a place that can lawfully and effectively safeguard their lives and rights—nothing to do with condemning all Muslim-majority societies as unsafe.

NHC
 
Thank you Dr. Obvious. Do you have a point? Because the far right in Netanhyu's coalition is calling for the removal of Gazans. And the IDF is killling noncombatants on a daily basis. And until a short while ago. Israel blockaded food and medical supplies into Gaza in a vain attempt to get Hamas to agree to their ceasefire demands. All in all,. it looks more and more like ethnic cleansing.

Your hair-splitting semantic apologia only proves my point.

If it looks like ethnic cleansing to you then my conclusion is that you are antisemitic.
You already conceded that Netanyahu tried to displace the Gazans into Egypt. Mass relocation is one of the "ethnic cleansing" things. Don't need to wipe them out to be ethnic cleansing.

So either you are anti-Semitic, in conceding that happened, or you are using the word poorly.
FYI, if Israel didn’t go out of their way to protect Palestinian civilians, this war would have been over a long time ago. Its just sad you can't see that.
Netanyahu's military polciies are leaving little of Gaza left to go home to. That is also an "ethnic cleansing" thing.

If you want to convince me of anything, try harder. Now you are grasping at straws
Grasping at straws? Attempting mass population displacement and destroying a lot of Gaza to make it uninhabitable is "ethnic cleansing" or at least attempting it

You've conceded the prior, it is hard to contest the later. That isn't grasping at straws, it is summing up the conclusion.

Stop talking shit
 
Humanitarian rescuers must deliver survivors to a safe port where their physical and legal rights can be protected—precisely why MSF lands migrants in European ports, not Libya or Tunisia.
Are you saying that Muslims are fundamentally dangerous people, therefore there are no safe places for Muslims to go except secular countries?
It's what it sounded like.
Feel free to expand on why delivering survivors to a Muslim society would result unsafe conditions for them.
Tom

Not at all. Maritime rescue law defines a “place of safety” purely by its ability to meet survivors’ needs—medical treatment, shelter, food, legal protection—and to guarantee they won’t be pushed back into harm (the non-refoulement obligation), not by the dominant religion of the state.

At the time MSF operated in the central Mediterranean, both Libya and the Tunisian coast were in active conflict or under weak governance, with documented abuses of migrants: arbitrary detention, torture, trafficking, and forced returns across deserts or back into war zones. These conditions violate the SAR Convention’s requirement that survivors be taken to a location where their “physical safety” and “basic human needs” can be met and where they can access asylum procedures free from persecution.
They could have been taken to Algerian ports. But depends upon distance I suppose.
 
And, once again, you utterly fail to understand.

We are not labeling the correction propaganda. We are labeling the original, uncorrected version as propaganda. If there had been any integrity to the reporting process it would never have gone to press as reported. The problems were obvious, they were ignored. It would be like reporting that alcohol was involved in a traffic accident where a driver struck a keg of beer that fell into the road.

And the original report was tweeted to an account that has 55 million followers. The correction was tweeted to an account with <100k followers.

And while I disagree with the vandalism I do not see how that remotely is trying to intimidate them into silence. That vandalism was shaming them for a falsehood. The Times no longer has any journalistic integrity left to protect, anyway.

Mistakes and oversights happen in every newsroom, which is precisely why corrections exist. Calling the uncorrected story “propaganda” ignores that The New York Times publicly acknowledged and amended the error—and appended a clear correction to the original article online so all future readers see it. That process upholds, rather than undermines, journalistic integrity.
Did you not notice the original went to 55 million people, the correction to 100 thousand.

And our point is they should have known. It's completely obvious once pointed out.


Spray-painting a news outlet’s offices with “NYT Lies” is coercion, plain and simple—no more “shaming” than burning a building is “protest.” It sends a message: question our narrative at your peril. True integrity isn’t proved by enduring graffiti; it’s proved by transparent corrections, source verifications, and willingness to own errors.
Lies? The vandals wrote truth.

Those subparagraphs address how relief is secured—they allow the Occupying Power to set reasonable security or logistical measures (e.g., inspection protocols, protected routes, impartial oversight by a Protecting Power) to prevent diversion of aid into military channels. They do not permit outright refusal or indefinite delay. Article 70 (2) mandates that “the Parties… shall allow and facilitate rapid and unimpeded passage of all relief consignments… even if… destined for the civilian population of the adverse Party.” And Article 70 (3 c) flatly forbids any diversion or delay except where an urgent necessity in the interest of civilians exists. If Hamas refuses the security arrangements in (a) or (b), Israel must still guarantee relief—by providing alternative oversight (for example via the ICRC), conducting distribution itself, or adjusting its measures. Failure to do so would breach the Occupying Power’s non-derogable duty to protect and facilitate humanitarian aid under GC IV Art. 59 and AP I Art. 70 (2–3).
And there's no indefinite delay. It's Israel saying "this is how it will be done", Hamas keeps interfering.

And the horse spoke about 2c:

The UN2720 dashboard tracks every consignment’s off-load, collection and arrival, but under Additional Protocol I Article 70(3 c), “the Parties… shall, in no way whatsoever, divert relief consignments… nor delay their forwarding, except in cases of urgent necessity in the interest of the civilian population concerned.

https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/api-1977/article-70

Any hold-up at the border—whether due to security checks or recalcitrant armed actors—must be minimized. And under Fourth Geneva Convention Article 59, the Occupying Power “shall… facilitate [relief] by all the means at its disposal.
And you're being blind. That tracker is talking about stuff that has already crossed the border. No border hold-ups are involved!

https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/gciv-1949/article-59/commentary/1958


Supplies that entered Gaza: 40kt. Supplies picked up: 27kt. In other words, the UN left 1/3 of the supplies at the border. And of what they actually picked up 4kt reached it's destination while 23kt was diverted.

Add that up. 90% of the supplies aren't reaching the people. If there's starvation that's why.

Those figures highlight a massive diversion by armed intermediaries, but Israel’s obligations remain. As Occupying Power, Israel controls the crossings and security zones; it must escort convoys, authorize ICRC/UN monitoring, or even take direct charge of distribution to ensure aid gets to civilians. Failing to deploy these measures violates its non-derogable duty under GC IV Art. 59 and AP I Art. 70 to prevent starvation.
Nope, Israel has no obligation at all. And that 90% diversion certainly meets the Geneva threshold of diversion that does not need to be tolerated.

And who is storing them there? Hamas. Why are you blaming Israel?

Storing munitions in civilian areas is indeed Hamas’s war crime (AP I Art. 58), but that does not nullify Israel’s separate duty. Occupation law vests Israel with authority over Gaza’s borders and the means to secure and supervise relief operations. Blaming Hamas for diversion is correct—but Israel is legally responsible for bridging the gap and must act to protect humanitarian aid and the lives of Gaza’s civilians.
So why did you bring up the stored munitions?

And they are lying. On the page you link there's a page that is an explanation of the categories. And on that page we see that phase V is expected to kill 2-4 people per 10k per day. That's 400-800 people/day for Gaza. Hamas only claims 66 total.

That is a misreading of the IPC standard. The 2 deaths per 10 000 people per day (4 for children) is a diagnostic threshold to classify an area as Famine (IPC Phase 5), not a prediction of how many will actually die each day if famine is declared.

It sets the bar for severity: once mortality exceeds that rate, an area meets the Famine definition.
But they are pretending Gaza reaches that threshold.

Gaza’s roughly 2.3 million population would indeed cross the threshold at about 460 adult deaths per day—or 920 child deaths—if those rates were met. But the current, documented hunger-related fatalities already signal catastrophic conditions, even before reaching that extreme threshold.

WHO reports 74 malnutrition-related deaths in 2025 alone—with 63 occurring in July—based on clinical admissions and death certifications.
Strange that WHO finds deaths Hamas doesn't. And even if it is 74 that's over 9 months. That's 1 part in a thousand vs the threshold.

Hamas’s figure of “66 total” refers only to officially registered child malnutrition deaths and systematically undercounts adult fatalities, indirect deaths from disease, and unrecorded cases in hard-to-reach areas. A Brown University study using IPC methods estimates at least 62 413 starvation deaths—and 5 000 more from blocked chronic care—since October 2023.
The Hamas number is all people, not any subcategory.

And I don't give a hoot about a study that is so clearly contrary to fact. All it says is the author(s) have no credibility.
In short, the IPC’s mortality threshold is a marker of famine severity, and independent, multi-source data confirm Gaza’s mortality far exceeds the 66-child figure, underscoring both the validity of the IPC classification and the depth of the crisis.

First of all, it's a manufactured "distress". They are quite intentionally marooning themselves at sea, they are not the victims of an accident or malicious action.

The real world isn't the fantasyland you think it is. Let's look back 50 years ago. I was a passenger in a bus, there was a line of people including kids across the road. What did the driver do?

Under the SAR Convention, “distress” means any situation where someone is at risk of death unless assisted—whether by shipwreck, unseaworthy vessel, overcrowding, lack of fuel, or deliberate action. The cause of peril is irrelevant: once people are in grave danger, every shipmaster must render assistance. Intention or planning by migrants doesn’t nullify the legal duty to save lives at sea (SAR Conv. Art. 1.1 & 3.1; SOLAS Reg. V/33).
They are simply marooned by their own choice.

And I note that you're not addressing the fact that the normal response would be to drop them in the country they're outside of.
Anecdotal road scenarios don’t override binding maritime law. Unlike hypothetical bus drivers, shipmasters operate under SOLAS and UNCLOS, which impose an absolute obligation to assist anyone in distress at sea, regardless of fault or context (UNCLOS Art. 98; SAR Conv. Art. 3).
Very real bus drivers. I saw the people--not all adults!--just barely getting clear of our path.

And years later, another continent, this time the back of a truck. No matter what happens, keep going. Do not stop to render aid.

And keep in mind that there are far worse places. (And both of the incidents I'm thinking of are in places that are now far worse than when I was there. Those tours no longer exist.)
Second, under normal rules they would be returned to the country they are off the coast of. That doesn't happen because they'll be killed if they return.

The SAR Convention requires disembarkation at a “place of safety,” not automatic return to territorial waters of departure. Returning people to zones where they face persecution or death would breach non-refoulement under the Refugee Convention (Art. 33). Humanitarian rescuers must deliver survivors to a safe port where their physical and legal rights can be protected—precisely why MSF lands migrants in European ports, not Libya or Tunisia.

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And you see nothing wrong with the countries marooning them at sea?
 
Second, under normal rules they would be returned to the country they are off the coast of. That doesn't happen because they'll be killed if they return.

The SAR Convention requires disembarkation at a “place of safety,” not automatic return to territorial waters of departure. Returning people to zones where they face persecution or death would breach non-refoulement under the Refugee Convention (Art. 33). Humanitarian rescuers must deliver survivors to a safe port where their physical and legal rights can be protected—precisely why MSF lands migrants in European ports, not Libya or Tunisia.

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And you see nothing wrong with the countries marooning them at sea?
Have you stopped beating your wife?
Assumes facts not in evidence. See how easy that is?
 
Netanyahu's military polciies are leaving little of Gaza left to go home to. That is also an "ethnic cleansing" thing.
It's Hamas' military policies that are leaving little left of Gaza. Full stop.

If the leadership of Gaza had a shred of interest in the well-being of the Gazans as a whole this wouldn't be happening.

Instead of investing in military fortresses underneath hospitals they'd have invested in food sufficiency, education, potable water supplies, power generation plants.

But what Gazans got was tunnels under apartment buildings, missile launchers atop schools and a few more generations of violent enmity with their Israeli neighbors.

I think that the main problem is Islamic supremacists.
Tom
 
As an Israeli political scientist, I resisted thinking this war was a genocide. Here’s what changed my mind

The destruction of Gaza, including the killing of thousands of children and the restriction on humanitarian aid is undeniable. The incitement for genocide and ethnic cleansing in the Israeli public sphere — from the government, in the pro-government media, and in everyday speech is also undeniable. Then why are so many of us liberal Jews still reluctant?

I’ve thought about my colleague’s words every day since we spoke, and I think there are several reasons for many liberal Jews’ tremendous difficulty in seriously confronting the question of whether Israel is committing genocide, including a misunderstanding of what genocide can look like. None of these, however, if we are truly honest with ourselves, justify turning away from it.

The author lists several reasons why it's difficult to acknowledge the clear evidence of genocide in Gaza, including worries about "the personal, professional and communal consequences of speaking honestly". But, as she says, "the answer to fear cannot be silence."
 
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