Climate Change(d)?

[steve_bank]

he collected repetitious quotable quotes of TSwizzle, recorded here for posterity. They provide profound insight into why climate change science is all wrong.

1. This obsession with carbon really needs to stop.
2. This obsession with CO2 is coming to an end.
3. Teh Gruaniad says
4. It is a catastrophic 75 degrees today.
5. He’s a cultist.It is a catastrophic 73 degrees in Santa Monica today
6. It really is a rapture like cult.
7. It really is a religion for you.
8. You are dumber than I thought.
9. Climate always changes.
10. Human activity has very little impact on the climate compared to what occurs naturally.

rev 2

 

[bilby]

Human activity has very little impact on the climate compared to what occurs naturally.

This is simply not true. There is overwhelming evidence that the conversion of coal, oil, and gas into carbon dioxide, on a massive scale, by humans, is having a far greater impact on climate than natural variation.

The mechanism by which this occurs is simple; The evidence that it is occurring is everywhere.

 

[southernhybrid]

he collected repetitious quotable quotes of TSwizzle, recorded here for posterity. They provide profound insight into why climate change science is all wrong.

1. This obsession with carbon really needs to stop.
2. This obsession with CO2 is coming to an end.
3. Teh Gruaniad says
4. It is a catastrophic 75 degrees today.
5. He’s a cultist.It is a catastrophic 73 degrees in Santa Monica today
6. It really is a rapture like cult.
7. It really is a religion for you.
8. You are dumber than I thought.
9. Climate always changes.
10. Human activity has very little impact on the climate compared to what occurs naturally.

rev 2

You forgot one:

 

[DBT]

Think again. Our contribution to climate change exceeds volcanic activity

This obsession with carbon really needs to stop.

Given the evidence, asserting that human activity is not contributing to climate change doesn't' help you at all.

Climate change or climate variability is natural. You know this. Human activity has very little impact on the climate compared to what occurs naturally.

The evidence is against you.

 

[TSwizzle]

Think again. Our contribution to climate change exceeds volcanic activity

This obsession with carbon really needs to stop.

Given the evidence, asserting that human activity is not contributing to climate change doesn't' help you at all.

Climate change or climate variability is natural. You know this. Human activity has very little impact on the climate compared to what occurs naturally.

The evidence is against you.

Present it by all means.

 

[bilby]

Present it by all means.

https://science.nasa.gov/climate-change/causes/

The headlines from that NASA page:

Increasing Greenhouses Gases Are Warming the Planet​

...

Human Activity Is the Cause of Increased Greenhouse Gas Concentrations​

...

Evidence Shows That Current Global Warming Cannot Be Explained by Solar Irradiance​

More details are at the link.

 

[Elixir]

A bit of a scorcher today but I survived and so did Santa Monica pier.

Thanks Swiz. I copied it HERE where it belongs.
It’s what climate scientists predicted for your locale.

 

[DBT]

Think again. Our contribution to climate change exceeds volcanic activity

This obsession with carbon really needs to stop.

Given the evidence, asserting that human activity is not contributing to climate change doesn't' help you at all.

Climate change or climate variability is natural. You know this. Human activity has very little impact on the climate compared to what occurs naturally.

The evidence is against you.

Present it by all means.

Several posters have already done it, to no avail. The evidence is either dismissed or ignored. The information is readily available. Just look at it with an open mind.

 

[Elixir]

Present it by all means.

Why? Do you think we need more ?

Because that is the ONLY response to data that you have ever been able to muster.

 

[TSwizzle]

Think again. Our contribution to climate change exceeds volcanic activity

This obsession with carbon really needs to stop.

Given the evidence, asserting that human activity is not contributing to climate change doesn't' help you at all.

Climate change or climate variability is natural. You know this. Human activity has very little impact on the climate compared to what occurs naturally.

The evidence is against you.

Present it by all means.

Several posters have already done it, to no avail. The evidence is either dismissed or ignored. The information is readily available. Just look at it with an open mind.

The “evidence” posted on here consists of studies that “suggest” climate catastrophe so yes, I dismiss them. So don’t say I ignore it. Should I also look at the bible with an open mind and believe in miracles?

 

[DBT]

Think again. Our contribution to climate change exceeds volcanic activity

This obsession with carbon really needs to stop.

Given the evidence, asserting that human activity is not contributing to climate change doesn't' help you at all.

Climate change or climate variability is natural. You know this. Human activity has very little impact on the climate compared to what occurs naturally.

The evidence is against you.

Present it by all means.

Several posters have already done it, to no avail. The evidence is either dismissed or ignored. The information is readily available. Just look at it with an open mind.

The “evidence” posted on here consists of studies that “suggest” climate catastrophe so yes, I dismiss them. So don’t say I ignore it. Should I also look at the bible with an open mind and believe in miracles?

The evidence shows that our activity is raising CO2 levels in the atmosphere, which in turn is driving global warming over and above natural processes.

 

[TSwizzle]

The evidence shows that our activity is raising CO2 levels in the atmosphere, which in turn is driving global warming over and above natural processes.

Global warming, an imperceptible increase in the global average temperature. This obsession with CO2 needs to stop. CO2 does not control the earth’s climate.

The earth’s climate has always warmed and cooled. There is nothing extraordinary going on with the climate despite all the forecasts of climate apocalypse.

 

[steve_bank]

Tswizzle’s repetitious quotable quotes. They provide profound insight into why climate change science is all wrong.

1. This obsession with carbon really needs to stop.
2. This obsession with CO2 is coming to an end.
3. Teh Gruaniad says
4. It is a catastrophic 75 degrees today.
5. He’s a cultist.It is a catastrophic 73 degrees in Santa Monica today
6. It really is a rapture like cult.
7. It really is a religion for you.
8 You are dumber than I thought
9. Climate always changes.
10. Human activity has very little impact on the climate compared to what occurs naturally.
11. CO2 does not control the earth’s climate.

Rev 3

No point in refuting, just chronicling the repetitions.

However as to # 11 atmospheric greenhouse gases are why the surface of the Earth is temperate enough for liquid water and life, and why Mars without greenhouse gases is cold and barren.

Co2 does control climate, there would be no 'climate' without it,. The problem is us humans are adding too much. It is like adding a blanket when you go to bed when it is cold, more heat is trapped under the blankets. Too many blankets and you overheat.

 

[bilby]

The evidence shows that our activity is raising CO2 levels in the atmosphere, which in turn is driving global warming over and above natural processes.

Global warming, an imperceptible increase in the global average temperature.

Far from imperceptible.

This obsession with CO2 needs to stop. CO2 does not control the earth’s climate.

Yes, it absolutely does. Did you not read the detailed description of how that works, at the NASA link I provided?

The earth’s climate has always warmed and cooled.

And has not always been capable of supporting human life.

There is nothing extraordinary going on with the climate despite all the forecasts of climate apocalypse.

It matters not one whit whether it is extraordinary. The problem is that it is dangerous to humanity and the civilisation we have built.

Denial and wilful ignorance don't alter reality, and the mechanism and its results are really not difficult to understand.

Though they are, apparently, easy to ignore.

Good luck with that.

 

[DBT]

The evidence shows that our activity is raising CO2 levels in the atmosphere, which in turn is driving global warming over and above natural processes.

Global warming, an imperceptible increase in the global average temperature. This obsession with CO2 needs to stop. CO2 does not control the earth’s climate.

The earth’s climate has always warmed and cooled. There is nothing extraordinary going on with the climate despite all the forecasts of climate apocalypse.

CO2 is a 'greenhouse gas,' which means it slows heat dissipation and warms the planet, so adding CO2 to the atmosphere over and above natural processes - basic physics - is going to do just that.

Denial of the physics of raising CO2 levels won't change anything.

 

[robnisch]

I see two possible things going on with TS.
He just fucking with us.
Or, he has a vested interest in denying climate change.

 

[steve_bank]

I see two possible things going on with TS.
He just fucking with us.
Or, he has a vested interest in denying climate change.

Or he i as ignorant as a tree stump unable to reason.

 

[steve_bank]

That they are called 'greenhouse' gases should be a clue...as in a back yard greenhouse or 'hot house'....

It all leads to the carbon cycle.

Carbon cycle - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The carbon cycle is a part of the biogeochemical cycle where carbon is exchanged among the biosphere, pedosphere, geosphere, hydrosphere, and atmosphere of Earth. Other major biogeochemical cycles include the nitrogen cycle and the water cycle. Carbon is the main component of biological compounds as well as a major component of many rocks such as limestone. The carbon cycle comprises a sequence of events that are key to making Earth capable of sustaining life. It describes the movement of carbon as it is recycled and reused throughout the biosphere, as well as long-term processes of carbon sequestration (storage) to and release from carbon sinks. At 422.7 parts per million (ppm), the global average carbon dioxide has set a new record high in 2024.[2]

To describe the dynamics of the carbon cycle, a distinction can be made between the fast and slow carbon cycle. The fast cycle is also referred to as the biological carbon cycle. Fast cycles can complete within years, moving substances from atmosphere to biosphere, then back to the atmosphere. Slow or geological cycles (also called deep carbon cycle) can take millions of years to complete, moving substances through the Earth's crust between rocks, soil, ocean and atmosphere.[3]

Humans have disturbed the carbon cycle for many centuries. They have done so by modifying land use and by mining and burning carbon from ancient organic remains (coal, petroleum and gas).[1] Carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has increased nearly 52% over pre-industrial levels by 2020, resulting in global warming.[4] The increased carbon dioxide has also caused a reduction in the ocean's pH value and is fundamentally altering marine chemistry.[5] Carbon dioxide is critical for photosynthesis.

The discovery of the carbon cycle and greenhouse gases predates the the climate change issues.

If TS has trouble reading he can look at the first picture on the right. One picture is worth a thousand words....

Greenhouse gas - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Greenhouse gases (GHGs) are the gases in an atmosphere that trap heat, raising the surface temperature of astronomical bodies such as Earth. Unlike other gases, greenhouse gases absorb the radiations that a planet emits, resulting in the greenhouse effect.[1] The Earth is warmed by sunlight, causing its surface to radiate heat, which is then mostly absorbed by greenhouse gases. Without greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, the average temperature of Earth's surface would be about −18 °C (0 °F),[2] rather than the present average of 15 °C (59 °F).[3][4]

Again the first picture on the right for the science challenged.

The idea of the greenhouse effect, which involves the warming of a planet due to certain atmospheric gases, was proposed as early as the 1820s by Joseph Fourier. Further experiments and research by Eunice Foote in 1856 and John Tyndall in 1859 solidified the understanding that specific gases, like carbon dioxide and water vapor, trap heat and contribute to the warming of the plane

Mars is cold primarily due to its thin atmosphere and its greater distance from the Sun compared to Earth. The thin atmosphere, composed mostly of carbon dioxide but with low density, cannot trap enough heat to maintain warmer temperatures. Additionally, Mars receives less solar radiation due to its orbital position, leading to lower overall temperatures

Venus is extremely hot due to a runaway greenhouse effect caused by its thick atmosphere, which is primarily composed of carbon dioxide. This dense atmosphere traps heat, preventing it from escaping into space and resulting in surface temperatures far exceeding those of even Mercury, despite being further from the sun

Any questions or refutaions TSwizzle?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The “evidence” posted on here consists of studies that “suggest” climate catastrophe so yes, I dismiss them. So don’t say I ignore it. Should I also look at the bible with an open mind and believe in miracles?

Simple test that you ignored, although I didn't direct it specifically at you before:

The Felon wants to destroy the climate monitoring satellites. You only shoot messengers that say things you don't like, thus clearly the actual data is harmful to the reich wing position. Destroy, not merely turn off, because that means they won't be up there to be turned back on if cooler heads prevail.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The evidence shows that our activity is raising CO2 levels in the atmosphere, which in turn is driving global warming over and above natural processes.

Global warming, an imperceptible increase in the global average temperature. This obsession with CO2 needs to stop. CO2 does not control the earth’s climate.

The earth’s climate has always warmed and cooled. There is nothing extraordinary going on with the climate despite all the forecasts of climate apocalypse.

Another simple test that you have ignored: We are only here because of the greenhouse effect. If CO2 didn't cause warming Earth would be a snowball. The worst case estimates for CO2's effects are only about 20% more than what it's currently doing. (And are less than the worst case estimates for methane hydrates--something that is not even included at all in the IPCC reports because we do not have enough data.)