Split New York City Mayoral Race

[pood]

Jews for justice. Jews against genocide.

Was 10/7 "justice"?

I wasn’t referring to 10/7 and you know it.

I know it was attempted genocide.

Right, a small band of terrorists has the ability to commit genocide.

In the wake of 10/7, Mamdani failed to directly condemn Hamas, or its attack against Israeli civilians. Instead, he chose to bitch about "Netanyahu's declaration of war", and "occupation" (which Gaza hadn't been since 2005).

This is the equivalent of, on December 8th 1941, condemning US Congress for declaring war against Japan, instead of condemning Japan for attacking Pearl Harbor.

Talking total bullshit must be in your DNA. The analogy to Pearl Harbor is stupid as shit.

 

[laughing dog]

What is he smoking?

Unfortunately, Mr. Cardamom is doing surprisingly well in the polls. So probably copium/hopium.

And you wonder why posters confuse you with a bigot?

What I am more interested in is what New Yorkers are smoking. Nobody in their right mind could think that Mamdani is the right choice for NYC.

Then the GOP should have no trouble capturing the NYC mayoralty.

 

[pood]

What is he smoking?

Unfortunately, Mr. Cardamom is doing surprisingly well in the polls. So probably copium/hopium.

And you wonder why posters confuse you with a bigot?

We know how much Mr.. Whitebread hates halal food.

 

[Derec]

Unfortunately, Mr. Cardamom is doing surprisingly well in the polls.

You just can't help yourself, can you.

That's what he called himself.

 

[TSwizzle]

Nobody in their right mind could think that Mamdani is the right choice for NYC.

But when you look at the others in the race, there really is no right choice either. It is a shocking state of affairs.

 

[southernhybrid]

https://www.fox5ny.com/election/mamdani-beats-out-all-nyc-mayoral-candidates-combined-new-poll

Mamdani's support never dips below 50% in the poll and only increases in a thinner field of candidates. For example, in a hypothetical four-way race without Cuomo, Mamdani's support rose to 55%. In a four-way race without Adams, Mamdani's support rose to 51%.

Mamdani is the only candidate of the five that the majority of respondents (58%) say they would consider voting for in November's election. In comparison, 37% said they would consider voting for Cuomo, 27% said they would consider voting for Adams, 26% would consider Sliwa, and 10% would consider Walden.

When respondents were asked who they would not consider voting for, 32% said Mamdani, 60% said Cuomo, 68% said Adams, 59% said Sliwa, and 40% said Walden. In fact, half of the respondents said they didn't know enough about Walden to properly answer the question.

Roughly 70% of respondents said they were "dissatisfied" with the direction of the city.

What they're saying:

Poll respondents came from Queens, Bronx, Kings, New York, and Richmond counties. It represents the largest sample size of any publicly released figures pertaining to the general election thus far.

The most important issues to them are housing costs, the price of groceries and household items as well as utilities, and crime and public safety.

But, according to one of our posters, more than half of the voters of NYC must be on drugs. Maybe he's the one with the problem. I don't get this obsession with a mayoral race in a city that's over 900 miles away from where someone else lives.

 

[ZiprHead]

But, according to one of our posters, more than half of the voters of NYC must be on drugs. Maybe he's the one with the problem. I don't get this obsession with a mayoral race in a city that's over 900 miles away from where someone else lives.

The poster has a very antiquated view of "socialism" when what Mamdani is advocating for is democratic socialism or also called enlightened capitalism.

 

[Derec]

But when you look at the others in the race, there really is no right choice either. It is a shocking state of affairs.

Very true. It's slim pickings.

I don't expect great leadership from Cuomo, but at least he is not likely to break things.

 

[Derec]

The poster has a very antiquated view of "socialism" when what Mamdani is advocating for is democratic socialism or also called enlightened capitalism.

No,  democratic socialism is not enlightened capitalism. We have been through this many times.
DSA is honest about what they want in their constitution:

We are socialists because we reject an economic order based on private profit, alienated labor, gross inequalities of wealth and power, discrimination based on race, gender identity, sexual orientation, disability status, age, religion, and national origin, and brutality and violence in defense of the status quo. We are socialists because we share a vision of a humane social order based on popular control of resources and production, economic planning, equitable distribution, feminism, racial equality, and non-oppressive relationships.

The only difference between democratic socialism and revolutionary socialism is the means by which they seek to implement socialism.

And Mamdani himself expressed support for seizing the means of production and abolishing private property.

 

[Derec]

But, according to one of our posters, more than half of the voters of NYC must be on drugs.

He bamboozled New Yorkers in a similar way Trump bamboozled the national electorate.
I think they are both two sides of the same populist coin.

Maybe he's the one with the problem.

Sanity is not statistical.

I don't get this obsession with a mayoral race in a city that's over 900 miles away from where someone else lives.

It's the largest city by population, and is more populous than all but 12 states. It has a greater economy than all but four states. J.B. Pritzker is governing over a smaller economy than the mayor of New York!

It is therefore hardly surprising that the mayoral race has nationwide attention. I think what happens there is November will greatly impact Democrats nationwide going into 2026 and 2028. So, why should we not care?

 

[Politesse]

But when you look at the others in the race, there really is no right choice either. It is a shocking state of affairs.

Very true. It's slim pickings.

I don't expect great leadership from Cuomo, but at least he is not likely to break things.

Aside from, you know... the law?

 

[bilby]

Sanity is not statistical.

Yes, it is.

Sanity is conformance with societal norms; Insanity is failure to do so.

"What is 'normal'?", and therefore "What is sane?" is entirely a statistical question.

 

[ZiprHead]

The poster has a very antiquated view of "socialism" when what Mamdani is advocating for is democratic socialism or also called enlightened capitalism.

No,  democratic socialism is not enlightened capitalism. We have been through this many times.
DSA is honest about what they want in their constitution:

We are socialists because we reject an economic order based on private profit, alienated labor, gross inequalities of wealth and power, discrimination based on race, gender identity, sexual orientation, disability status, age, religion, and national origin, and brutality and violence in defense of the status quo. We are socialists because we share a vision of a humane social order based on popular control of resources and production, economic planning, equitable distribution, feminism, racial equality, and non-oppressive relationships.

The only difference between democratic socialism and revolutionary socialism is the means by which they seek to implement socialism.

And Mamdani himself expressed support for seizing the means of production and abolishing private property.

What the Democratic Socialists Of America want and what small d democratic small s socialists want is two different things.

 

[southernhybrid]

I found Mamdani's platform and it doesn't sound so extreme to me. Of course, he won't accomplish most of his goals. When has any politician accomplished everything he's run on?

https://www.zohranfornyc.com/platform

Btw, he says he's a big supporter of small businesses, so how is that giving the government the means of production? He is certainly idealistic but he's motivated a lot of young people to vote, which Is a good thing, imo.

He explains in the link how he would pay for some of his plans, but he can't do most of those things without the support of state government. I grew up right outside of New York City and I don't care who New Yorkers want for their mayor. It's interesting to read about him, but I don't feel as if NYC has much influence over the rest of the country. The US is a very diverse country, almost like 50 countries of varying size. The more urban ones lean left and the more rural ones lean right.

Plus the Democratic Party has always been called a big tent party, meaning that people from both the left and the right are welcome. Sadly, the US is more divided politically than it's ever been and I think that is mostly due to the Trump cult. Considering all the harm Trump is doing, it's hard for me to understand the obsession over what Mamdani wants to do. I don't see him wanting to be a dictator. He just wants to make NYC a more affordable place to live. I suggest that if anyone wants to criticize him, they should read his actual platform and then mention the specific things they don't like and explain exactly why, instead of listening to the stupid rumors calling him a communist etc.

 

[Derec]

Unfortunately, Mr. Cardamom is doing surprisingly well in the polls. So probably copium/hopium.

And you wonder why posters confuse you with a bigot?

Maybe because they are ignorant that "Mr. Cardamom" is a moniker he gave himself?
Maybe because they operate under double standards where it's ok for them to make up all sorts of nicknames for Republicans, but get offended at nicknames for Democrats, especially Democratic women and so-called "people of color"?
I can't read their minds. You'd have to ask these confused posters yourself.

Then the GOP should have no trouble capturing the NYC mayoralty.

In a more sane time, Mamdani would not be getting double digits in the primary.

 

[Derec]

What the Democratic Socialists Of America want and what small d democratic small s socialists want is two different things.

It is democratic socialism and social democracy that are two different things. Democratic socialism is a type of socialism. They just want to bring about socialism through democratic means (i.e. idiots voting for them) rather than through a proletarian revolution.

Why do you always keep confusing those too?

 

[Gospel]

The poster has a very antiquated view of "socialism" when what Mamdani is advocating for is democratic socialism or also called enlightened capitalism.

No,  democratic socialism is not enlightened capitalism. We have been through this many times.
DSA is honest about what they want in their constitution:

We are socialists because we reject an economic order based on private profit, alienated labor, gross inequalities of wealth and power, discrimination based on race, gender identity, sexual orientation, disability status, age, religion, and national origin, and brutality and violence in defense of the status quo. We are socialists because we share a vision of a humane social order based on popular control of resources and production, economic planning, equitable distribution, feminism, racial equality, and non-oppressive relationships.

The only difference between democratic socialism and revolutionary socialism is the means by which they seek to implement socialism.

And Mamdani himself expressed support for seizing the means of production and abolishing private property.

Seems like you think the DSA’s goal is to turn the U.S. into China. Considering China’s been outpacing us in infrastructure and manufacturing, that might not be the “gotcha” you think it is. The world has changed a lot since the Cold War, and so have both socialism and capitalism, one has arguably improved (socialism), while the other has been sliding backward (capitalism). If we don’t start finding a better balance between “for profit” and “for the people,” the United States is on a fast track to cooking itself.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

What the Democratic Socialists Of America want and what small d democratic small s socialists want is two different things.

It is democratic socialism and social democracy that are two different things. Democratic socialism is a type of socialism. They just want to bring about socialism through democratic means (i.e. idiots voting for them) rather than through a proletarian revolution.

Why do you always keep confusing those too?

Technically most of the Social Democrats (Eugene Debs days) original platform exists in one way or the other today.

Trump currently has the National Guard out on the streets for the second time... and you are worried that the Mayor of NYC (one of the global hubs of capitalism) has the ability to upend capitalism. Fuck! I'm more worried about his loose language on Israel/Gaza than economic revolution.

 

[Derec]

Seems like you think the DSA’s goal is to turn the U.S. into China.

No. More like Bizarro China. China these days has a capitalist economy and is run by a (nominally communist) dictatorship. DSA purports the opposite: They want to abolish capitalism and impose socialism through democratic means.

Considering China’s been outpacing us in infrastructure and manufacturing, that might not be the “gotcha” you think it is.

As I said, China's current economic system is capitalism. The reason they can build infrastructure more easily than in the US is not because of our capitalism, but because of our democracy. A dictatorship can make and implement decisions far more easily.

The world has changed a lot since the Cold War, and so have both socialism and capitalism, one has arguably improved (socialism), while the other has been sliding backward (capitalism).

You are right that the world has changed a lot since the Cold War, but it is the socialists like Mamndani that cling to old ideas like "seize the means of production", "abolish private property". Same goes for his policy proposals like price controls.

If we don’t start finding a better balance between “for profit” and “for the people,” the United States is on a fast track to cooking itself.

US has a lot of problems, but I don't think socialism is a solution to any of them.

 

[Derec]

Technically most of the Social Democrats (Eugene Debs days) original platform exists in one way or the other today.

But socialists like Mamdani want to push beyond mere social democracy.

Trump currently has the National Guard out on the streets for the second time...

Trump should not be the focus of every single thread on here.

and you are worried that the Mayor of NYC (one of the global hubs of capitalism) has the ability to upend capitalism.

He certainly has the ability to cause a lot of problems for NYC during this term. And he will embolden socialists elsewhere - like Omar Fateh in Minneapolisomalia.

Fuck! I'm more worried about his loose language on Israel/Gaza than economic revolution.

His stance on Israel is quite bad too.