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My only correction would be that "farmers" are usually rich as hell, it's the farmworkers who are poor. And that SoCal extends quite a bit further into the desert these days.
Maybe in California or all of the big agribusiness farmers are. Regular farmers are not, unless you count the value of their land which, sure, they could sell but if they all did, we'd be pretty hungry.
I've known plenty of farmers in my time, and very few who I would describe as "poor". Not in California, at any rate. Financially tenuous, perhaps, but if they own their own land, even smaller family farms provide at least a middle class life for their owners. It's not dust bowl Oklahoma out here; almonds, grapes, and dairy are still very big business, and the families who got in on it before the big corporate players started buying up whatever land was left after the 97' floods have the means to live a good life. To say nothing of those quasi-mythical corporate farms, which outearn all private enterprises by an enormous margin.

You do meet people who are farmers but do not own the land they are farming. They are sometimes in a much more anxious situation, though again, exploited though they are they are almost never "poor" in the same sense that their employees are "poor".
I grew up in the Midwest with both family members who farmed other people’s land and those who farmed their own land. Definitely not wealthy or even moderately well to do. And this was the same throughout the county. My kids think of us as ‘poor.’ We were not poor by the standards of the day, and my nuclear family, who were first generation off the farm were better off than our farmer relatives. And like almost every other girl I went to school with, we made a lot of our clothes and struggled to have five distinct outfits to wear to school so we didn’t have to repeat an outfit during a school week. There was always found in the table and afaik, my parents paid the bills but there wasn’t much left over.

But different times. All that nice farm land is now occupied by warehouses and fulfillment centers.
 
Anyway remember this guy? :rolleyes:


LBJ’s 1965 housing push is a perfect mirror for today. In his HUD Act of 1965 signing remarks he named the crisis as slums/decay and promised “the single most valuable housing legislation in our history,” plus public subsidies to pull private builders into low-income housing, no surprise for the era.
Source: American Presidency Project (full text): https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/remarks-the-signing-the-housing-and-urban-development-act
LBJ Library overview: https://www.lbjlibrary.org/news-and-press/media-kits/housing-and-urban-development


But the enemies he named in 1965 weren’t inflation, speculation, or greed. In a major address that year he literally listed “poverty, disease, and ignorance” as the enemies. Different speech, same frame: fight deprivation, not profiteering. Source: “The American Promise,”
Mar 15, 1965 (full text): https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/special-message-the-congress-the-american-promise

Fast-forward to California 2025: Newsom just pushed through CEQA reforms to speed building, useful, but again the villain isn’t named as speculation or investor capture.
Gov release: https://www.gov.ca.gov/2025/06/30/g...-reforms-to-build-more-housing-affordability/ ;
Coverage: AP: https://apnews.com/article/3b6302f233f02f758269dd7e564bcaaf

FT: https://www.ft.com/content/5995dd4b-e296-4f7a-8902-e97f7f9f83f4
SFGATE: https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/newsom-changes-california-environmental-law-20402864.php


Meanwhile, the market reality they both tiptoe around? Investor ownership is large and rising (1 in 5 homes in CA, much higher in some counties): https://www.sfgate.com/realestate/article/investors-majority-homes-some-calif-counties-20780941.php

Prop 13 lock-in suppresses turnover and incentives to add housing: California LAO
explainer: https://lao.ca.gov/publications/report/3497
NBER digest on the “lock-in effect”: https://www.nber.org/digest/apr05/lock-effect-californias-proposition-13

So yeah, LBJ in ’65 and Sacramento in ’25 both wage war on “blight,” “process,” and “delay,” but they soft-pedal greed + speculation + inflation + structural tax incentives that keep prices high and supply sticky. Name the real enemies or keep getting “California doing California things.”

What I'm saying here is simple (despite the odd connection I'm making): if you won’t name greed, speculation, and inflation as the core forces warping housing, you’re not solving the problem, you’re performing around it. Johnson’s era dressed it up as a war on poverty; Newsom’ is dressing it up as a war on red tape. Different costumes, same dodge. Until leaders admit that the market is behaving exactly as those benefiting from it want it to behave, every “reform” is just tinkering at the edges while the real buster-trick-mark-ass-fools keep cashing in.

Edit Note: In Johnson’s time, it was urban renewal profiteers and lenders squeezing communities; today, it’s corporate investors and speculative capital swallowing neighborhoods.
 
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Programs like this wouldn’t even exist if there wasn’t massive demand for them, and that demand comes from regular people being priced out of the California housing market. That didn’t happen by accident. Big real estate investment firms and corporate landlords have been buying up properties in bulk, driving up prices and shrinking the pool of homes available to first-time buyers. The state is stepping in because without help, a huge chunk of Californians, regardless of immigration status, simply can’t compete with Wall Street-backed cash offers. Stagnant wages and high interest rates are both big parts of the equation as well. All private sector hands btw. :rolleyes:

If you think programs like this are ridiculous, the answer isn’t just to complain about them, it’s to fix the broken housing market so people can actually afford homes without government stepping in. I agree that the government shouldn’t play in the private sector, but bruh, the private sector’s been doing such a craptastic job that they’ve practically invited the government to get involved.

When private sector actions harm the public or the economy, the main formal channel for recourse is through government, whether that’s legislation, regulation, or enforcement. Democracy, duh! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Anyway, at least it’s not a free handout. The state gets its money back plus a cut of appreciation, so the funds can recycle into helping the next buyer. It can actually grow the program if the market stays strong. Downside is if housing prices drop or defaults & foreclosures get out of control the state can lose big time.
Why should we believe the private sector has been doing a craptastic job or that private sector actions are harming the public when the private sector hasn't been the party calling the shots in the housing market for a very long time? But it's a law of nature that no matter how thoroughly regulated a market is, the fans of regulation will blame every problem that arises on whatever smidgen of private decision-making has been allowed to persist, and never on the foreseeable consequences of the mass of regulation already in place.

The reason big real estate investment firms and corporate landlords have been buying up properties in bulk is because tenants' rights legislation has gone to such an extreme it's made renting out residential property so dangerous to the owners that a huge fraction of those moving out of their houses are choosing to sell rather than gamble their life savings on getting into the landlord business. Rental risk is diversifiable, which means the market won't pay you to take the risk, which makes taking the risk irrational for anybody who isn't big enough to diversify his operation over hundreds of tenants. This artificial suppression of competition from traditional mom-and-pop landlords drives up rents, giving corporations an incentive to outbid regular people trying to buy homes. So of course corporations are going to end up owning a ton of the housing.

"Landlords in LA cannot evict tenants from any rental property, including single-family homes, unless there was unpaid rent, documented lease violations, owner move-ins, or other specific reasons that would justify moving the tenant out. The Los Angeles Housing Department keeps a specific list of the allowed “at-fault” eviction reasons and the “no-fault” legal reasons for eviction. Landlords will also have to pay relocation assistance to tenants if the eviction is for “no-fault” reasons. Some tenants already had “just cause” eviction protections in place thanks to the state law, but LA has made them universal, expanding the protections to about 400,000 additional units. If these laws did not apply to your property before, they might apply now. This is one of the most significant new rental laws in LA, because all units in the city are now covered by the protections."​
 
Why should we believe the private sector has been doing a craptastic job or that private sector actions are harming the public when the private sector hasn't been the party calling the shots in the housing market for a very long time? But it's a law of nature that no matter how thoroughly regulated a market is, the fans of regulation will blame every problem that arises on whatever smidgen of private decision-making has been allowed to persist, and never on the foreseeable consequences of the mass of regulation already in place.

The reason big real estate investment firms and corporate landlords have been buying up properties in bulk is because tenants' rights legislation has gone to such an extreme it's made renting out residential property so dangerous to the owners that a huge fraction of those moving out of their houses are choosing to sell rather than gamble their life savings on getting into the landlord business. Rental risk is diversifiable, which means the market won't pay you to take the risk, which makes taking the risk irrational for anybody who isn't big enough to diversify his operation over hundreds of tenants. This artificial suppression of competition from traditional mom-and-pop landlords drives up rents, giving corporations an incentive to outbid regular people trying to buy homes. So of course corporations are going to end up owning a ton of the housing.

"Landlords in LA cannot evict tenants from any rental property, including single-family homes, unless there was unpaid rent, documented lease violations, owner move-ins, or other specific reasons that would justify moving the tenant out. The Los Angeles Housing Department keeps a specific list of the allowed “at-fault” eviction reasons and the “no-fault” legal reasons for eviction. Landlords will also have to pay relocation assistance to tenants if the eviction is for “no-fault” reasons. Some tenants already had “just cause” eviction protections in place thanks to the state law, but LA has made them universal, expanding the protections to about 400,000 additional units. If these laws did not apply to your property before, they might apply now. This is one of the most significant new rental laws in LA, because all units in the city are now covered by the protections."

In a capitalist system, the primary objective is to make money and avoid losses. It’s not designed to care about people or take responsibility unless laws, contracts, or market forces make it profitable to do so. - Gospel

I get that tenant protections can change landlord incentives, but they’re neither the main nor major cause of what we’re seeing. Large-scale speculative buying and consolidation by corporate landlords didn’t suddenly appear because LA updated eviction laws, these trends have been building for decades, pushed by cheap capital, stagnant wages, and an investment culture that treats housing as an asset before it’s treated as shelter.

Small landlords selling out doesn’t automatically lead to a handful of corporations controlling huge swaths of housing, unless you already have a system where Wall Street money can outbid working families every time. That’s not created by tenant protections, that’s a feature of the current market structure.

If anything, those laws are a reaction to decades of imbalance, not the trigger for it. And while regulation can create unintended consequences, the private sector’s track record in keeping housing affordable, even before these protections, wasn’t exactly spotless.

1. Savings-and-loan crisis fallout (late 1980s–early 1990s)
  • Long before today’s eviction protections, the U.S. housing market saw speculative overbuilding, predatory lending, and reckless investment strategies by private banks and developers.
When the S&L bubble burst, it left behind foreclosures, vacant properties, and steep price volatility, none of which made housing more affordable for working-class buyers.

2. The subprime mortgage crisis (2000–2008)
  • Predatory lending, inflated appraisals, and securitization by the private mortgage industry created a massive housing bubble.
  • Prices skyrocketed beyond reach for millions, then collapsed, wiping out generational wealth in many communities, especially in Black and Latino neighborhoods.
This was well before many of the “extreme” tenant protections critics bitch about today.

3. Rent hikes in deregulated markets
  • In cities with little to no rent control in the 1990s and 2000s (e.g., Houston, Las Vegas), private landlords regularly raised rents far above inflation simply because the market would bear it, with no regulatory trigger.
Wages didn’t keep pace, pushing working renters into poorer housing or further from job centers.

4. Gentrification waves in the 1990s and early 2000s
  • Even in places with minimal tenant protections (e.g., parts of Brooklyn before the expansion of rent stabilization), private development aimed at higher-income tenants systematically displaced low-income residents.
This wasn’t caused by eviction restrictions, it was developers chasing higher returns.

5. Post-disaster displacement
  • After events like Hurricane Katrina (2005), private landlords in New Orleans hiked rents by 40–80% almost overnight, even in damaged or barely repaired units.
That was long before today’s California-style tenant laws, it was pure opportunism.

We can go back a little further if you'd like.
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1. Massive foreclosure waves (1930–1935)
  • In the early years of the Depression, the private mortgage market collapsed.
  • By 1933, nearly half of all U.S. home mortgages were in default, and over 1,000 homes a day were being foreclosed.
This wasn’t because of rent control or tenant protections, there basically weren’t any. It was because private banks overextended credit in the 1920s and then called in debts during the crash.

2. Predatory “balloon” mortgages
  • Before federal intervention, most mortgages were short-term (3–5 years) with a large final “balloon” payment.
Private lenders refinanced these loans regularly during good times , but when the Depression hit, they refused to renew, forcing mass defaults.

3. Absence of safety nets
  • There was no FHA, no Fannie Mae, no federal deposit insurance, and no meaningful public housing policy.
Landlords could (and did) evict tenants almost immediately for missed payments. In cities like New York and Chicago, this sparked rent riots and mass protests.

4. Rent gouging even during crisis
  • Despite mass unemployment, some landlords raised rents to cover their own debts, pushing more tenants into homelessness.
This led to extreme situations like “Hoovervilles”, shantytowns on the edges of major cities, while vacant housing stock still sat in private hands. The only real differences between Slab City and Hoovervilles are that some people move to Slab City by choice, and it wasn’t created by a massive economic crash. Capitalism isn’t one of those differences, though. :rolleyes:

5. Government intervention out of necessity
  • The private sector’s collapse in housing finance is what led to the creation of the Home Owners’ Loan Corporation (1933), Federal Housing Administration (1934), and later public housing programs.
These programs were direct admissions that the private market alone couldn’t stabilize housing in a crisis.

The government has been playing catch-up for over a century. Almost every major regulation is a reaction to some spectacular failure or abuse by the private sector. Yes, the government often botches the execution, but they’re not the cause.
 
And as further proof that Newsom hates democracy he’s trying to get a bill on the ballot to gerrymander districts to get more congressional seats. 43 out of 52 is not enough.
He's doing that in response to Trump wanting more gerrymandering in Texas. Other states are preparing to do so too in response.
He shouldn't be doing it at all. Regardless of the unethical gerrymandering attempts in Ohio and Texas.
Okay, what you're advocating for is one of the main reasons why the Democrats have become so ineffective. You want them to play by ethical rules against a party that has zero ethics. You want to play by the rules when the GOP makes no bones about following the rules.

You can't win doing what you're suggesting. This is a battle for democracy itself in this country. Despite the idea of not getting into the mud and wrestling with pigs, when the choice is to take a bullet in the head or wrestle the pigs, then you wrestle with the pigs.
Violence against the grunts would be a godsend for fascism. The only non-horrible endpoint is for Washington to wake up and throw out the fascists.
I don't understand what you mean here.

Are actual senators and congresspeople going to physically remove TrumpCo themselves?

Are they going to stage a coup?

Maybe they resurrect George Washington's corpse and scare the religious folks out of DC?

I think option 3 is the most realistic scenario.
 
Gavin Newsom sat down with FOX11 news to speak with Elex Michaelson.



Really, would you want this Insufferable prick as POTUS?
 
Programs like this wouldn’t even exist if there wasn’t massive demand for them, and that demand comes from regular people being priced out of the California housing market. That didn’t happen by accident. Big real estate investment firms and corporate landlords have been buying up properties in bulk, driving up prices and shrinking the pool of homes available to first-time buyers. The state is stepping in because without help, a huge chunk of Californians, regardless of immigration status, simply can’t compete with Wall Street-backed cash offers. Stagnant wages and high interest rates are both big parts of the equation as well. All private sector hands btw. :rolleyes:

If you think programs like this are ridiculous, the answer isn’t just to complain about them, it’s to fix the broken housing market so people can actually afford homes without government stepping in. I agree that the government shouldn’t play in the private sector, but bruh, the private sector’s been doing such a craptastic job that they’ve practically invited the government to get involved.

When private sector actions harm the public or the economy, the main formal channel for recourse is through government, whether that’s legislation, regulation, or enforcement. Democracy, duh! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Anyway, at least it’s not a free handout. The state gets its money back plus a cut of appreciation, so the funds can recycle into helping the next buyer. It can actually grow the program if the market stays strong. Downside is if housing prices drop or defaults & foreclosures get out of control the state can lose big time.
Why should we believe the private sector has been doing a craptastic job or that private sector actions are harming the public when the private sector hasn't been the party calling the shots in the housing market for a very long time? But it's a law of nature that no matter how thoroughly regulated a market is, the fans of regulation will blame every problem that arises on whatever smidgen of private decision-making has been allowed to persist, and never on the foreseeable consequences of the mass of regulation already in place.

The reason big real estate investment firms and corporate landlords have been buying up properties in bulk is because tenants' rights legislation has gone to such an extreme it's made renting out residential property so dangerous to the owners that a huge fraction of those moving out of their houses are choosing to sell rather than gamble their life savings on getting into the landlord business. Rental risk is diversifiable, which means the market won't pay you to take the risk, which makes taking the risk irrational for anybody who isn't big enough to diversify his operation over hundreds of tenants. This artificial suppression of competition from traditional mom-and-pop landlords drives up rents, giving corporations an incentive to outbid regular people trying to buy homes. So of course corporations are going to end up owning a ton of the housing.

"Landlords in LA cannot evict tenants from any rental property, including single-family homes, unless there was unpaid rent, documented lease violations, owner move-ins, or other specific reasons that would justify moving the tenant out. The Los Angeles Housing Department keeps a specific list of the allowed “at-fault” eviction reasons and the “no-fault” legal reasons for eviction. Landlords will also have to pay relocation assistance to tenants if the eviction is for “no-fault” reasons. Some tenants already had “just cause” eviction protections in place thanks to the state law, but LA has made them universal, expanding the protections to about 400,000 additional units. If these laws did not apply to your property before, they might apply now. This is one of the most significant new rental laws in LA, because all units in the city are now covered by the protections."​
Addressing paragraph 2: Real estate investment firms invest in targeted markets across the US where they can maximize rents in and around metro areas. It has little if anything to do with "extreme tenants rights legislation".
There is nothing particularly dangerous for mom and pop with a few rentals. Even if mom and pop do not want to take the time to read the landlord/tenant laws, there are management companies who do just this for about $100 a month per. They know the laws and how to get a deadbeat out soonest IAW the law to minimize lost rent.

Addressing your quoted paragraph 3: I see nothing wrong with what is stated here. This looks very similar to what it was when I was a landlord some 20 years ago in San Diego. Looking up "at fault" and "no fault" evictions for LAHD, it looks perfectly reasonable.

I think what may be unique to California is if a landlord does not make repairs in a timely manner, tenants may have the repair done, subtracting the cost from the rent and providing a copy of receipt long with.
 
Gavin Newsom sat down with FOX11 news to speak with Elex Michaelson.


Really, would you want this Insufferable prick as POTUS?
As opposed to a corrupt dictator? Yes, I'll take the idiot.

There was no qualifier in my question. I don't think you do want Newsom as POTUS though as you don't seem to be a fan of his. Newsom is corrupt, an authoritarian and dumber than GWB which is not easy.

He will never be president anyway. But is going to be hilarious to watch him try.
 
But is going to be hilarious to watch him try.
If by some chance he succeeds, you can thank your own choice for making him viable.
Americans - Republican, Democrat, Independent or whatever, will be better off if Cheato’s term ends early. Even if it leaves the boot licker Johnson in charge of all the other bootlickers that are set adrift.
 
I certainly hope that Trump will not be running for a third term, but if he is not, someone needs to tell Trump that.

In any case, electing any Republican would not consitute an alternative to idiocy, or even to Trump's rule; they're all sworn to him a dozen times over. Anyone the Party allows to run in his place will be a Medvedev type.
 
Unfortunately for the others, California is the only consistently and frequently interesting state. People from other states come to California on their vacations just so they'll have something to actually do for once.
 
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