Climate Change(d)?

[TSwizzle]

Who's obsessed? {snip}

People who fret about having a slice of cheese, having a pet, taking a flight, worrying about their “carbon footprint” etc.

Why would that concern you? If someone wants to feel like they are doing something, that's their business. It shouldn't matter to you.

The problem with religious folks is that they think their beliefs and practices should be followed by others. And they start to find ways to force people to follow their practices.

 

[DBT]

Who's obsessed? {snip}

People who fret about having a slice of cheese, having a pet, taking a flight, worrying about their “carbon footprint” etc.

Why would that concern you? If someone wants to feel like they are doing something, that's their business. It shouldn't matter to you.

The problem with religious folks is that they think their beliefs and practices should be followed by others. And they start to find ways to force people to follow their practices.

In this case the evidence supports global warming. Which leaves the denialists to chant their dogma in frustration.

 

[steve_bank]

Watched a news report directory from peach farmers in California.

Rising temperatures, particularly warmer winters, are significantly impacting California's peach production by disrupting the dormancy cycle of peach trees, leading to reduced yields and potential shifts in the geographic range of profitable peach cultivation.

As one farmer put it. With warmer winters as it goes above a certain tempera the trees start to wake up, then it chills a little and they go back to hibernation. The winter long cycles damage the trees.

Some farmers are losing major parts of a crop.

Peach prices are rising.

From another report diercty from fishermen.

Ocean warming is causing significant shifts in fish populations as they migrate towards cooler waters, either poleward or to deeper, colder depths. These migrations impact fishing industries, food webs, and potentially even geopolitics

Fisherman are having to sell boats because the local fish are moving away.

Climate change is very much affecting us right now.

I first heard this in the 90s. You can look up details.

Yes, it is correct that many West Coast marine species are migrating north due to climate change, specifically warming ocean temperatures. This northward shift is impacting the distribution of various species, including fish, marine mammals, and even some invertebrates

 

[TSwizzle]

Who's obsessed? {snip}

People who fret about having a slice of cheese, having a pet, taking a flight, worrying about their “carbon footprint” etc.

Why would that concern you? If someone wants to feel like they are doing something, that's their business. It shouldn't matter to you.

The problem with religious folks is that they think their beliefs and practices should be followed by others. And they start to find ways to force people to follow their practices.

In this case the evidence supports global warming. Which leaves the denialists to chant their dogma in frustration.

lol, earth’s climate is variable old bean. Obsess about carbon all you like and stay home if you wish.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

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[Jimmy Higgins]

Who's obsessed? {snip}

People who fret about having a slice of cheese, having a pet, taking a flight, worrying about their “carbon footprint” etc.

Why would that concern you? If someone wants to feel like they are doing something, that's their business. It shouldn't matter to you.

The problem with religious folks is that they think their beliefs and practices should be followed by others. And they start to find ways to force people to follow their practices.

In this case the evidence supports global warming. Which leaves the denialists to chant their dogma in frustration.

lol, earth’s climate is variable old bean. Obsess about carbon all you like and stay home if you wish.

Yes... flooding in Juneau since 2011 because of temperature increase in Alaska... that is just a variable climate. Cacti dying in the desert because it is too dry and too hot.

When the icy places are flooding and the desert plants are dying in the desert because it is too hot/dry, then maybe the whole "the climate is variable" isn't as useful an argument, because these ecosystems that are adapted to a particular climate, adaptation which takes place over a long periods of time, are changing too quickly now and are outside the bounds of the ecosystem's level of tolerance. That isn't "variable", that is a red flag.

 

[Elixir]

these ecosystems that are adapted to a particular climate, adaptation which takes place over a long periods of time, are changing too quickly now and are outside the bounds of the ecosystem's level of tolerance.

“See? It’s variable and always has been. No sense spending money trying to stabilize it!”
- Climate ignoramus

You can’t educate a head of lettuce.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Who's obsessed? {snip}

People who fret about having a slice of cheese, having a pet, taking a flight, worrying about their “carbon footprint” etc.

Why would that concern you? If someone wants to feel like they are doing something, that's their business. It shouldn't matter to you.

The problem with religious folks is that they think their beliefs and practices should be followed by others. And they start to find ways to force people to follow their practices.

Yeah, just look at what MAGA is doing to the country.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

lol, earth’s climate is variable old bean. Obsess about carbon all you like and stay home if you wish.

You never actually address any of the evidence, just go three monkeys.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

One thing I've been noting. Overnight lows not being as low. I notice it because 70 to 72 or so is my limit. So when it is 76 at 3 AM, I don't sleep.

Nearly half of the planet has experienced record or near-record high minimum temperatures since the start of June, according to a Washington Post analysis of historical weather data. That includes unprecedented overnight warmth across much of the eastern United States and parts of Europe and Asia.

At the same time, nearly two-thirds of those areas have also endured record or near-record levels of humidity. The United States is suffering through one of its most humid summers on record, with 18 states and D.C. experiencing record humidity levels during July.

I suppose we could model the weather along the Pacific Coast and extrapolate it for the rest of the nation, but generally, the eastern half of the country is seeing higher levels of humidity and higher than typical lows. And this is just comparing it to the average of the last 40 years.

 

[Politesse]

I can’t imagine being so obsessed with “carbon” that you would fret about having a slice of cheese, having a pet dog or taking a flight. Baffling.

Do you lock your doors at night? If so, would you describe yourself as "obsessed with doors"?

 

[steve_bank]

One thing I've been noting. Overnight lows not being as low. I notice it because 70 to 72 or so is my limit. So when it is 76 at 3 AM, I don't sleep.

Nearly half of the planet has experienced record or near-record high minimum temperatures since the start of June, according to a Washington Post analysis of historical weather data. That includes unprecedented overnight warmth across much of the eastern United States and parts of Europe and Asia.

At the same time, nearly two-thirds of those areas have also endured record or near-record levels of humidity. The United States is suffering through one of its most humid summers on record, with 18 states and D.C. experiencing record humidity levels during July.

I suppose we could model the weather along the Pacific Coast and extrapolate it for the rest of the nation, but generally, the eastern half of the country is seeing higher levels of humidity and higher than typical lows. And this is just comparing it to the average of the last 40 years.

We have had a few hot spells in the upper 80s 90s for a few days but now we are a bit cooler than the average.

I can sleep at night in the 70s, I run a fan in the bedroom.

Eastern Washington is hot.

Our main problem is lack of rain. Lower snow pack and melting glaciers. The snow packs are melting earlier before farmers need it.

It is all getting out of sync.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

One thing I've been noting. Overnight lows not being as low. I notice it because 70 to 72 or so is my limit. So when it is 76 at 3 AM, I don't sleep.

Nearly half of the planet has experienced record or near-record high minimum temperatures since the start of June, according to a Washington Post analysis of historical weather data. That includes unprecedented overnight warmth across much of the eastern United States and parts of Europe and Asia.

At the same time, nearly two-thirds of those areas have also endured record or near-record levels of humidity. The United States is suffering through one of its most humid summers on record, with 18 states and D.C. experiencing record humidity levels during July.

I suppose we could model the weather along the Pacific Coast and extrapolate it for the rest of the nation, but generally, the eastern half of the country is seeing higher levels of humidity and higher than typical lows. And this is just comparing it to the average of the last 40 years.

We have had a few hot spells in the upper 80s 90s for a few days but now we are a bit cooler than the average.

I can sleep at night in the 70s, I run a fan in the bedroom.

Eastern Washington is hot.

Our main problem is lack of rain. Lower snow pack and melting glaciers. The snow packs are melting earlier before farmers need it.

It is all getting out of sync.

70 degrees with a dew point of 55 is one thing, a dew point of 69 is another. Typically, 70 degree lows where I am means very moist.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

One thing I've been noting. Overnight lows not being as low. I notice it because 70 to 72 or so is my limit. So when it is 76 at 3 AM, I don't sleep.

Nearly half of the planet has experienced record or near-record high minimum temperatures since the start of June, according to a Washington Post analysis of historical weather data. That includes unprecedented overnight warmth across much of the eastern United States and parts of Europe and Asia.

At the same time, nearly two-thirds of those areas have also endured record or near-record levels of humidity. The United States is suffering through one of its most humid summers on record, with 18 states and D.C. experiencing record humidity levels during July.

I suppose we could model the weather along the Pacific Coast and extrapolate it for the rest of the nation, but generally, the eastern half of the country is seeing higher levels of humidity and higher than typical lows. And this is just comparing it to the average of the last 40 years.

Plays havoc with planting seasons. Plays havoc with fruit trees. Doesn't mess with us on sleep because if it's too warm we run the AC. (Not that 76 would bother us.)

 

[Loren Pechtel]

70 degrees with a dew point of 55 is one thing, a dew point of 69 is another. Typically, 70 degree lows where I am means very moist.

Yeah, that would bother me. I don't do well with extended periods of high humidity.

 

[Elixir]

70 degrees with a dew point of 55 is one thing, a dew point of 69 is another. Typically, 70 degree lows where I am means very moist.

Yeah, that would bother me. I don't do well with extended periods of high humidity.

There’s something about Midwest humidity … I’m perfectly fine in most beach environments, no matter how hot and humid. But hot and humid in Iowa or MN leaves me sweating all night and feeling like I’m suffocating during the day. There is probably some objective parameter that isn’t the same even when temperature and humidity readings are the same.

 

[steve_bank]

With my widows open today inside my assortment it is 74f and 47% university.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

70 degrees with a dew point of 55 is one thing, a dew point of 69 is another. Typically, 70 degree lows where I am means very moist.

Yeah, that would bother me. I don't do well with extended periods of high humidity.

There’s something about Midwest humidity … I’m perfectly fine in most beach environments, no matter how hot and humid. But hot and humid in Iowa or MN leaves me sweating all night and feeling like I’m suffocating during the day. There is probably some objective parameter that isn’t the same even when temperature and humidity readings are the same.

I'm pretty sure my problem is with something that grows in that high humidity and that could easily have regional differences.

 

[Elixir]

I'm pretty sure my problem is with something that grows in that high humidity and that could easily have regional differences.

I have entertained the idea that ocean salt in the air enhances temperature tolerance. Without evidence of course, but the subjective feeling is strong. Not just heat, but cold as well. (I surfed an entire winter off Santa Barbara sans wetsuit, and never died, so it must be true)

 

[TSwizzle]

The melting of sea ice in the Arctic has slowed dramatically in the past 20 years, scientists have reported, with no statistically significant decline in its extent since 2005. The finding is surprising, the researchers say, given that carbon emissions from fossil fuel burning have continued to rise and trap ever more heat over that time. They said natural variations in ocean currents that limit ice melting had probably balanced out the continuing rise in global temperatures. However, they said this was only a temporary reprieve and melting was highly likely to start again at about double the long-term rate at some point in the next five to 10 years. The melting of sea ice in the Arctic has slowed dramatically in the past 20 years, scientists have reported, with no statistically significant decline in its extent since 2005.

Teh Gruaniad

Of course, they go on to predict it will start melting sometime in the future because their models say so.