Merged Gaza just launched an unprovoked attack on Israel

[DrZoidberg]

This war is unique. Never before has a side in a war intentionally put it's own civilians in harms way. The Palestinian civilians are trapped in Gaza. That is also, almost unique. When there's a war in an urban area, civilians always get the fuck out.

Which side has had them locked in, for decades?

Lol. Wow. You have one real bad case of the antisemitism. I hope you recover

 

[ZiprHead]

This war is unique. Never before has a side in a war intentionally put it's own civilians in harms way. The Palestinian civilians are trapped in Gaza. That is also, almost unique. When there's a war in an urban area, civilians always get the fuck out.

Which side has had them locked in, for decades?

Lol. Wow. You have one real bad case of the antisemitism. I hope you recover

Don't dare answer the question, do you.

You have one real bad case of antireality.

 

[TomC]

This war is unique. Never before has a side in a war intentionally put it's own civilians in harms way. The Palestinian civilians are trapped in Gaza. That is also, almost unique. When there's a war in an urban area, civilians always get the fuck out.

Which side has had them locked in, for decades?

The side who's civilians were regularly targeted by violent terrorists like suicide bombers.
The Israelis didn't build that wall on a whim.
Tom

 

[ZiprHead]

This war is unique. Never before has a side in a war intentionally put it's own civilians in harms way. The Palestinian civilians are trapped in Gaza. That is also, almost unique. When there's a war in an urban area, civilians always get the fuck out.

Which side has had them locked in, for decades?

The side who's civilians were regularly targeted by violent terrorists like suicide bombers.
The Israelis didn't build that wall on a whim.
Tom

More collective punishment apologia.

 

[TomC]

This war is unique. Never before has a side in a war intentionally put it's own civilians in harms way. The Palestinian civilians are trapped in Gaza. That is also, almost unique. When there's a war in an urban area, civilians always get the fuck out.

Which side has had them locked in, for decades?

The side who's civilians were regularly targeted by violent terrorists like suicide bombers.
The Israelis didn't build that wall on a whim.
Tom

More collective punishment apologia.

More Islamic terrorists apologia.
Tom

 

[DrZoidberg]

This war is unique. Never before has a side in a war intentionally put it's own civilians in harms way. The Palestinian civilians are trapped in Gaza. That is also, almost unique. When there's a war in an urban area, civilians always get the fuck out.

Which side has had them locked in, for decades?

Lol. Wow. You have one real bad case of the antisemitism. I hope you recover

Don't dare answer the question, do you.

You have one real bad case of antireality.

They're not locked in. So much for anti reality

If Gazans want access to the Israeli market they need to behave. That’s how it works between any countries. But somehow you want Gazans to be able to misbehave and be continually be given a free pass because why?

 

[DrZoidberg]

This war is unique. Never before has a side in a war intentionally put it's own civilians in harms way. The Palestinian civilians are trapped in Gaza. That is also, almost unique. When there's a war in an urban area, civilians always get the fuck out.

Which side has had them locked in, for decades?

The side who's civilians were regularly targeted by violent terrorists like suicide bombers.
The Israelis didn't build that wall on a whim.
Tom

More collective punishment apologia.

You make no sense. We have nation states, so we can act as a single unit in foreign policy. That's just how we have chosen to organise our world. Calling it collective punishment is absurd. But sure... I am the guy who struggles with reality... lol

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Great! The discussion has devolved so badly, it looks like Facebook.

 

[ZiprHead]

This war is unique. Never before has a side in a war intentionally put it's own civilians in harms way. The Palestinian civilians are trapped in Gaza. That is also, almost unique. When there's a war in an urban area, civilians always get the fuck out.

Which side has had them locked in, for decades?

The side who's civilians were regularly targeted by violent terrorists like suicide bombers.
The Israelis didn't build that wall on a whim.
Tom

More collective punishment apologia.

You make no sense. We have nation states, so we can act as a single unit in foreign policy. That's just how we have chosen to organise our world. Calling it collective punishment is absurd. But sure... I am the guy who struggles with reality... lol

I have no idea what that word salad means.

 

[Toni]

This war is unique. Never before has a side in a war intentionally put it's own civilians in harms way. The Palestinian civilians are trapped in Gaza. That is also, almost unique. When there's a war in an urban area, civilians always get the fuck out.

Which side has had them locked in, for decades?

Lol. Wow. You have one real bad case of the antisemitism. I hope you recover

First of all, plenty of wars have had parties putting its own citizens in harms way.

Secondly, enough with the allegations of antisemitism if someone disagrees with you. A little known fact is that Arabs and Jews are both semites.

Finally, it is entirely possible to support a country even if you disagree vehemently with actions that country is taking. I’ll point out first my country, which I love wholeheartedly and which has chosen an incompetent megalomaniac who is racist, sexist and a rapist and convicted felon as its leader. Going back further, the US has an ugly history of its own genocide against indigenous people in addition to enslaving people who were stolen from their own countries—histories of deep and ugly racism which did not end with the Civil War or the Civil Rights Act. For starters. Europe has its own ugly history regarding Jews.

Knock it off with that shit.

 

[DrZoidberg]

This war is unique. Never before has a side in a war intentionally put it's own civilians in harms way. The Palestinian civilians are trapped in Gaza. That is also, almost unique. When there's a war in an urban area, civilians always get the fuck out.

Which side has had them locked in, for decades?

The side who's civilians were regularly targeted by violent terrorists like suicide bombers.
The Israelis didn't build that wall on a whim.
Tom

More collective punishment apologia.

You make no sense. We have nation states, so we can act as a single unit in foreign policy. That's just how we have chosen to organise our world. Calling it collective punishment is absurd. But sure... I am the guy who struggles with reality... lol

I have no idea what that word salad means.

I guess that helps to explain why you find this conflict so confusing

 

[laughing dog]

This war is unique. Never before has a side in a war intentionally put it's own civilians in harms way. The Palestinian civilians are trapped in Gaza. That is also, almost unique. When there's a war in an urban area, civilians always get the fuck out.

Which side has had them locked in, for decades?

The side who's civilians were regularly targeted by violent terrorists like suicide bombers.
The Israelis didn't build that wall on a whim.
Tom

More collective punishment apologia.

You make no sense. We have nation states, so we can act as a single unit in foreign policy. That's just how we have chosen to organise our world. Calling it collective punishment is absurd. But sure... I am the guy who struggles with reality... lol

I have no idea what that word salad means.

It is contradictory. If “we” act as a single policy unit in foreign policy, then civilians in a war are being collectively punished. Even if one agrees it is deserved. Calling basic reason “absurd” deflects the utterer from struggling with the unpleasant reality of their argument.

 

[Arctish]

I didn't say that particular incident was about killing Jews. Rather, it was about burning them out for the crime of being there.

Well, in that case, it's obvious you didn't read the article.

It is also obvious you are straining to shift the goalposts. Don't hurt yourself, they're not going to move.

DrZiodberg made an unsupported assertion about Muslims getting over "anti-Israel tribalism" and said it was "an improvement over the old idea, i.e. "kill all Jews"

I asked when was "kill all Jews" the idea of Muslim states, reminded folks the Nazis were Christians and Nazi Germany was in Europe, pointed out the Palestinians weren't interested in killing all Jews and neither were the Jordanians, the Lebanese, the Egyptians, etc.

You jumped in to support DrZoidberg's posts but have utterly failed to provide any evidence that "kill all Jews" was an idea held by a Muslim state at any time.

Do you have evidence anyone besides the Nazis had the idea to "kill all Jews"? If so, then post it.

Hamas has stated its goal was to kill all the Jews world wide. My understanding is that they have backed off that but I still believe that is the goal. Of course, Hamas is not a state/government. The KKK was also not a state or government but they ran things in certain parts of the country and had not dissimilar ideals.

I have repeatedly said Hamas is a terrorist organization full of hate-driven extremists who cannot be trusted to live up to any ideals about peaceful coexistence. I am not defending Hamas, I am defending history from mindless parroting of propaganda.

DrZoidberg said:

What a surprise that the Arab nations have a different agenda than Israel. That's not the point. The point is that Muslims have managed to get over their retarded anti-Israel tribalism and are trying to work towards a realistic solution.

Its an improvement over the old idea, ie "kill all Jews".

When did and Arab or Muslim nation have the idea to "kill all Jews"?

DrZoidberg said it was an old idea and as you note, Gaza isn't a nation or a state. So when did this allegedly happen?

I put DrZoidberg's statement on a par with "We have always been at war with Eastasia". It's propaganda. It's deliberately misrepresenting the history of the region in order to convince people to go along with an agenda, not to inform them of facts or encourage them to think about what the facts imply.

 

[Arctish]

This war is unique. Never before has a side in a war intentionally put it's own civilians in harms way. The Palestinian civilians are trapped in Gaza. That is also, almost unique. When there's a war in an urban area, civilians always get the fuck out.

Which side has had them locked in, for decades?

The side who's civilians were regularly targeted by violent terrorists like suicide bombers.
The Israelis didn't build that wall on a whim.
Tom

It didn't build the wall in response to suicide bombers either.

Learn some history. The barriers keeping people confined to Gaza first made an appearance when Zionists drove Palestinians into Gaza to make way for Jewish settlements in Ashkelon and the surrounding area when Israel was founded.

By the time suicide bombers made their appearance (coming from the West Bank btw) that separation barrier had been lengthened, strengthened, and rebuilt several times. It was there to secure the results of ethnic cleansing.

 

[pood]

This war is unique. Never before has a side in a war intentionally put it's own civilians in harms way. The Palestinian civilians are trapped in Gaza. That is also, almost unique. When there's a war in an urban area, civilians always get the fuck out.

Which side has had them locked in, for decades?

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Wow, haven’t been in thread for a while and the very first thing I see is you breaking the rules again by libeling people.

Post reported.

 

[Gospel]

This war is unique. Never before has a side in a war intentionally put it's own civilians in harms way. The Palestinian civilians are trapped in Gaza. That is also, almost unique. When there's a war in an urban area, civilians always get the fuck out.

Which side has had them locked in, for decades?

The side who's civilians were regularly targeted by violent terrorists like suicide bombers.
The Israelis didn't build that wall on a whim.
Tom

It didn't build the wall in response to suicide bombers either.

Learn some history. The barriers keeping people confined to Gaza first made an appearance when Zionists drove Palestinians into Gaza to make way for Jewish settlements in Ashkelon and the surrounding area when Israel was founded.

By the time suicide bombers made their appearance (coming from the West Bank btw) that separation barrier had been lengthened, strengthened, and rebuilt several times. It was there to secure the results of ethnic cleansing.

History is antisemtic to DrZoidberg. Just letting you know.

 

[Toni]

I didn't say that particular incident was about killing Jews. Rather, it was about burning them out for the crime of being there.

Well, in that case, it's obvious you didn't read the article.

It is also obvious you are straining to shift the goalposts. Don't hurt yourself, they're not going to move.

DrZiodberg made an unsupported assertion about Muslims getting over "anti-Israel tribalism" and said it was "an improvement over the old idea, i.e. "kill all Jews"

I asked when was "kill all Jews" the idea of Muslim states, reminded folks the Nazis were Christians and Nazi Germany was in Europe, pointed out the Palestinians weren't interested in killing all Jews and neither were the Jordanians, the Lebanese, the Egyptians, etc.

You jumped in to support DrZoidberg's posts but have utterly failed to provide any evidence that "kill all Jews" was an idea held by a Muslim state at any time.

Do you have evidence anyone besides the Nazis had the idea to "kill all Jews"? If so, then post it.

Hamas has stated its goal was to kill all the Jews world wide. My understanding is that they have backed off that but I still believe that is the goal. Of course, Hamas is not a state/government. The KKK was also not a state or government but they ran things in certain parts of the country and had not dissimilar ideals.

I have repeatedly said Hamas is a terrorist organization full of hate-driven extremists who cannot be trusted to live up to any ideals about peaceful coexistence. I am not defending Hamas, I am defending history from mindless parroting of propaganda.

DrZoidberg said:

What a surprise that the Arab nations have a different agenda than Israel. That's not the point. The point is that Muslims have managed to get over their retarded anti-Israel tribalism and are trying to work towards a realistic solution.

Its an improvement over the old idea, ie "kill all Jews".

When did and Arab or Muslim nation have the idea to "kill all Jews"?

DrZoidberg said it was an old idea and as you note, Gaza isn't a nation or a state. So when did this allegedly happen?

I put DrZoidberg's statement on a par with "We have always been at war with Eastasia". It's propaganda. It's deliberately misrepresenting the history of the region in order to convince people to go along with an agenda, not to inform them of facts or encourage them to think about what the facts imply.

AFAIK, no Arab nation has declared its intention or as a goal to kill all Jews. But I know very well that some Arab nations have, in the past, refused to have any business dealings with Israel and further scrutinized any corporation seeking to do business within its borders for any ties to any Jew—and forbade entry to any such person or business. How much this remains a policy I do not know but there has definitely been a shift harder right/anti Israel/religious extremism since the fall of the Shah of Iran and that the Arab League does not officially recognize Israel.

This is a long, long way from Death to all Jews of course but it is wrong to ignore the stated mission of Hamas to eliminate all Jews.

 

[Gospel]

No Arab nation ever codified ‘kill all Jews’ as official policy. But Nazi propaganda absolutely bled into the region, Husseini’s partnership with Hitler exported that poison, and Hamas later picked up those tropes. That’s not the same thing as a blanket Arab policy. The problem is, history itself feels antisemitic to DrZoidberg, so as long as he keeps derailing into that angle, there’s no way to have a deeper good-faith discussion. Which just leaves IIDB spinning in the same circles as every other platform.

 

[laughing dog]

No Arab nation ever codified ‘kill all Jews’ as official policy. But Nazi propaganda absolutely bled into the region, Husseini’s partnership with Hitler exported that poison, and Hamas later picked up those tropes. That’s not the same thing as a blanket Arab policy. The problem is, history itself feels antisemitic to DrZoidberg, so as long as he keeps derailing into that angle, there’s no way to have a deeper good-faith discussion. Which just leaves IIDB spinning in the same circles as every other platform.

I find Dr Zoidberg’s posts make more sense if one doesn’t read them at all.

 

[Arctish]

No Arab nation ever codified ‘kill all Jews’ as official policy. But Nazi propaganda absolutely bled into the region, Husseini’s partnership with Hitler exported that poison, and Hamas later picked up those tropes. That’s not the same thing as a blanket Arab policy. The problem is, history itself feels antisemitic to DrZoidberg, so as long as he keeps derailing into that angle, there’s no way to have a deeper good-faith discussion. Which just leaves IIDB spinning in the same circles as every other platform.

I agree with you but there is something I think needs to be clarified.

Amin al-Husseini was a pan-Arabist and Palestinian nationalist. He was definitely anti-Zionist and anti-British. He may have also been anti-Jewish in general but there is no documentation that indicates he wanted to "kill all Jews". He exploited political violence, at times calling for more or less of it in his role as Mufti, but it appears he mostly took advantage of violence instigated by others.