How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

[zorq]

Any un-verified anecdote provided by the guy with the book

un-verified anecdotes is the shit in your head. The guy is EU official who who was officially monitoring situation in Eastern Ukraine during so-called anti-terrorist operation by the nazi regime in Kiev.
and they have shown a rare video from CNN where they show the criminality of Kiev regime. It was shortly after nazi got into power and CNN had not been instructed yet on how to spin this by Nuland&Co, in other words, shit happens and sometimes CNN tells the truth by accident.

Nothing in that video shows Ukraine attacking ANYONE. Just some idiot rubes who couldn't fathom what is happening to them. And all of that attacking happened in 2014. After Russia's secret invasion, but before it had been widely revealed and verified by Russian government incompetence. Those rubes didn't know who to blame for their suffering and CNN was just reporting what the locals were saying.

Either way, my 30 second survey of your video turns out to have been right after all. You failed once again to show Ukraine "killing Russians" such that Russia was inspired to invade Ukraine. Only more evidence of Ukraine defending itself and the aftermath of skirmishes from a Russian invasion in 2014. And of course Russia reveals itself to be the scum that it is in the very fact that this invasion was denied by Russian officials for so long. If Russia felt the least bit justified in it's invasion it wouldn't have made the whole thing so secret. When a person or party has a righteous cause they aren't afraid to broadcast the fact as widely as possible. Only cowardly villains attack from the shadows.

But even these lies and secrets were just completely stupid. Picture this: Russian tanks show up to attack Government buildings (and civilian infrastructure) in Eastern Ukraine. Where the fuck do you think those Russian tanks came from?... DUH. You think a handful of farmers pieced together Russian tanks in their back yard, mail ordered bit by bit, so that they could be ready to help attack Ukrainian government buildings and capture cities for an "independence movement?" WTF? Stupid.

 

[unapologetic]

So you agreed that it was a provocation.
So your "unprovoked" aggression theory goes down the drain.

I haven't agreed to shit. I seriously asked if you are making sarcastic jokes. I don't understand you anymore. (And don't realy care)

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

And US started it in order to provoke Russia to interfere.

Is that more sarcasm?
Still not an attack on Russia.

Yeah, remember, in the beginning, this was about helping the Ukrainians, and now Barbos has needed to push this poorly woven nonsense to justify the actions, because the Russians have murdered countless Ukrainians. And Barbos has been quite giddy about the suffering of the Ukrainian people.

So ditch the humanitarian effort and go with the wacky conspiracy shit.

 

[barbos]

Nothing in that video shows Ukraine attacking ANYONE.

you are disgusting in your dishonesty.

 

[barbos]

Still not an attack on Russia.

An attack on russian "puppet" is an attack on Russia and we all agree that Yanukovich (not Poroshenko, I am looking at you ZipperHead) was a russian "puppet".

Yup. You are right, I got that wrong.

The score is wrongness is now Barbos: 10,000 to IIDB 1.

Nope, you are still wrong. Score of wrongness is IIDB 10,000 to barbos 0

 

[barbos]

And US started it in order to provoke Russia to interfere.

Is that more sarcasm?
Still not an attack on Russia.

Yeah, remember, in the beginning, this was about helping the Ukrainians, and now Barbos has needed to push this poorly woven nonsense to justify the actions, because the Russians have murdered countless Ukrainians. And Barbos has been quite giddy about the suffering of the Ukrainian people.

So ditch the humanitarian effort and go with the wacky conspiracy shit.

Since you always confuse ukrainians with nazi scum, yes I am all for suffereing these "ukrainians", 100%.
But they are minority. And then there are pro-russian ukrainians, I am all for helping them.
And then there is a large group who allowed nazi to take power, they are basically light nazi. Tough luck, assholes.

 

[barbos]

So you agreed that it was a provocation.
So your "unprovoked" aggression theory goes down the drain.

I haven't agreed to shit. I seriously asked if you are making sarcastic jokes. I don't understand you anymore. (And don't realy care)

Actually you did, you absolutely did.

 

[zorq]

Nothing in that video shows Ukraine attacking ANYONE.

you are disgusting in your dishonesty.

Prove it. Why am I always proving you dishonest and you never bother to do it for me? Too lazy I guess. Then again, it's so much easier for me because I'm not full of shit.

 

[barbos]

Prove it

I have many times. The last one with CNN video.

 

[barbos]

The Green Goblin awards Graham and his fellow piece of shit war criminal in democratic party Blumenthal with Yaroslav Mudriy medal. Ironically, Yaroslav Mudry was a ...... I would say "Russian" from Novgorod (a russian city). I mean there was no Ukraine back then (they could not have existed for linguistical reasons). There was one country retroactively called Kievan Rus which spanned over territories of modern day Ukraine and modern Western Russia and ...... modern day Baltic States.
The spoke ancient slavic and balto-slavic obvioulsy.
The "Irony" is the middle name of these nazi idiots.

 

[zorq]

I wasn't dishonest so much as dismissive. CNN has actual YouTube videos but you linked to a bs propaganda video. I skimmed the video briefly and didn't find anything CNN. Ten seconds of CNN logo in a 1.5 hour video roughly rounds down to no CNN.

Your video still doesn't show any evidence of Ukraine attacking "Russian" people. And it doesn't even show anything predating the Russian invasion. You completely failed to support your claim. Just like you always do. You never have any evidence. All you ever have is completely baseless conspiracy theories, western bigotry, and paranoia and absolutely no real evidence to support any of it. Get a clue dude. You fucking suck at the simplest of rational thought.

So sad.

 

[Patooka]

So we're over a thousand pages in and yet barbos still can't find a single person on the fucking planet to agree with them.

 

[barbos]

So we're over a thousand pages in and yet barbos still can't find a single person on the fucking planet to agree with them.

Whole Russia, China, India Brasil agrees with me.

 

[barbos]

I wasn't dishonest so much as dismissive.

You were and still are dishonest by insisting on your initial BS assessment of my link.
You are also dishonest when you ignore inconvenient info such as Hunka affair.

 

[barbos]

I skimmed the video briefly and didn't find anything CNN. Ten seconds of CNN logo in a 1.5 hour video roughly rounds down to no CNN.

Decent human being would have apologized already, but you are not that.

 

[ZiprHead]

So we're over a thousand pages in and yet barbos still can't find a single person on the fucking planet to agree with them.

Whole Russia, China agrees with me.

They have to or they get thrown in jail, or worse.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Oh yea, the Russians will whine about the deep strikes into their areas (forgetting all the damage and misery that they put on Ukraine! I think that Trump is finally seeing what Russia is. An imperialist bully that has to be stopped. Russia is now saying that they are open to peace keepers in Ukraine as long as they are controlled by Russia! So, Ukraine would be safe from invasion from the Luxemburg hordes; not from Ruskies! I've said it from the very beginning of this long long thread; Russia will not stop until it is stopped by China. The west needs to increase sanctions on countries that trade with Russia.

Globalism makes those sanctions kind of hard. Diplomacy would work better, but right now, the guy in charge of the US is pro-Russia taking over Ukraine.

The west has been seeking diplomatic solutions from Russia for 3.5 years. It's not working.

Pressure needs to be applied on China and India. Do you guys want to do business with the west; or with Russia?

With all of the off-shoring the West has done, that seems like a rather transparent bluff.

? When we offshore, our international trade from imports increases, not decreases. In 2023, the US imported 462 billion from China, 77 billion from China. Both countries have substantial trade with Europe.

 

[barbos]

About Stepan Bandera:

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Oh yea, the Russians will whine about the deep strikes into their areas (forgetting all the damage and misery that they put on Ukraine! I think that Trump is finally seeing what Russia is. An imperialist bully that has to be stopped. Russia is now saying that they are open to peace keepers in Ukraine as long as they are controlled by Russia! So, Ukraine would be safe from invasion from the Luxemburg hordes; not from Ruskies! I've said it from the very beginning of this long long thread; Russia will not stop until it is stopped by China. The west needs to increase sanctions on countries that trade with Russia.

Globalism makes those sanctions kind of hard. Diplomacy would work better, but right now, the guy in charge of the US is pro-Russia taking over Ukraine.

The west has been seeking diplomatic solutions from Russia for 3.5 years. It's not working.

It is working in sorts seeing Russia isn't in control of the nation. It has been very costly to Ukraine, however. Costly to Russia to, this is hurting their economy.

Pressure needs to be applied on China and India. Do you guys want to do business with the west; or with Russia?

With all of the off-shoring the West has done, that seems like a rather transparent bluff.

? When we offshore, our international trade from imports increases, not decreases. In 2023, the US imported 462 billion from China, 77 billion from China. Both countries have substantial trade with Europe.

China hates the west (see late 19th century). They don't care what we think. They also like to push the 'local power controla the local area' narrative that Russia's invasion (and the Monroe Doctrine) promote.

India is run by a pro Russia stooge as well and has reservations about the west.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

So we're over a thousand pages in and yet barbos still can't find a single person on the fucking planet to agree with them.

Whole Russia, China, India Brasil agrees with me.

China doesn't care about Russia or Ukraine. They care about the impression of Local Might is right. They support the action because they want to do likewise with ascerting their authority over the region.

Brazil agreed with Russia when it was run by a pro-Putin stooge.