Climate Change(d)?

[DBT]

How is one supposed to respond to such incoherent nonsense? It’s barely worth an eye roll.

Respond by looking at the evidence with an open mind, a mind that is open to the possibility of being wrong, and willing to learn.

I have stated numerous times about why the “evidence” is not valid.

Stating what you happen to believe doesn't falsify the evidence.

Male bovine excrement.

Mindless denial of the evidence of our role in changing the environment on a planetary scale.

Sure, Jan.

Typical. Try to do better. An actual argument supported by evidence would be nice.

 

[bilby]

I don’t need to go back to my previous posts. I have been consistent with what I say.

Being consistently wrong is not the virtue you seem to think it is.

Smart people change their positions in response to evidence.

 

[TSwizzle]

Typical. Try to do better. An actual argument supported by evidence would be nice.

You have this ass backwards. It is up to the purveyors of climate doom to provide evidence for their claims. They never do.

 

[Swammerdami]

... What's part of that line from Macbeth...about... a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing....

Shakespeare used hendiadys very frequently but "sound and fury" is the best known and "go-to" example.

Hendiadys is a rhetorical figure where a single complex idea is expressed by two words connected by "and," rather than a noun and its modifier, such as "sound and fury" for a furious sound. ... it is used to create emphasis or a more powerful effect, common in literature and everyday speech.

Hendiadys is common in legalese ("aid and abet", "cruel and unusual", "cease and desist", "necessary and proper", "pain and suffering"). It is found in the Sermon on the Mount ("Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness; "Rejoice and be glad ...") and is also common in Virgil's Aeneid and in the letters of Edward de Vere.

Perhaps we should all divert and re-deploy the time and effort spent and wasted on insult and invective to composing prose which is happier and more appealing.

 

[Shadowy Man]

Typical. Try to do better. An actual argument supported by evidence would be nice.

You have this ass backwards. It is up to the purveyors of climate doom to provide evidence for their claims. They never do.

This seems so to you because you admittedly only listen to politicians and not scientists. There’s plenty of scientific evidence; you simply choose to ignore it. We have been over this.

 

[Shadowy Man]

Saving you the trouble.

 

[TSwizzle]

This seems so to you because you admittedly only listen to politicians and not scientists. There’s plenty of scientific evidence; you simply choose to ignore it. We have been over this.

Sure, Jan.

And no trouble at all.

 

[DBT]

Typical. Try to do better. An actual argument supported by evidence would be nice.

You have this ass backwards. It is up to the purveyors of climate doom to provide evidence for their claims. They never do.

A quick summary:

What Is the Evidence for Human-Caused Climate Change?

Climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activities. Multiple studies show that 97 percent or more of climate scientists agree.

scienceexchange.caltech.edu

 

[Loren Pechtel]

There are always been wildfires in California, it is natural. Human caused fires are imperceptible.

So we should just let the California fires burn,.......

The vast majority of species go extinct. We shouldn't care if we join the list.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

This thread has been active since 2021. Aside from an imperceptible rise on global average temperature (over 100 years or so) there has been no noticeable change in climate. Do you even understand the meaning of the word rapid?

I'm not going to address since 2021. However, there have been substantial changes in the growing times between the two elections of The Felon.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

My bro in law, who is a newly retired dentist, is also a climate change denier. He also voted for Trump. He once told us that he can't accept climate change because he has grandkids. Sure, that's plenty of evidence that the science isn't correct.

Doesn't surprise me at all, except that he would actually admit it to himself. An awful lot of people aren't willing to accept facts that say the situation is horrible.

 

[aupmanyav]

Huge floods everywhere in India and other countries as well. Nonseasonal snow storms and forest fires. Climate has changed.

 

[Shadowy Man]

Huge floods everywhere in India and other countries as well. Nonseasonal snow storms and forest fires. Climate has changed.

Have you considered the counterpoint of “sure, Jan”?

 

[aupmanyav]

Have you considered the counterpoint of “sure, Jan”?

"As per data provided in a Lok Sabha (Parliament) response, the Ministry of Home Affairs reported that in 2025–26 (as of July 30), over 1,600 people were killed hydro-meteorological disasters. Andhra Pradesh had the largest share of casualties with 343 fatalities, followed by Madhya Pradesh with 243 fatalities, and Himachal Pradesh with 195 fatalities."
It has been a bad year for India wrt floods.

There have been deaths in other states as well which have not been shown in the image.

 

[steve_bank]

Pakistan was in the news a while back for glacial floods, catastrophic. Melting glaciers build up a lake, water breaks through creating a flood. Villages being swept away.

How Pakistan's melting glaciers destroy mountain villages

Climate change is altering the landscape of Pakistan's mountain regions, and changing lives forever.

www.bbc.com

India is marginal to begin with, population about 1.5 billion.

Global warming is making India's monsoons more dangerous by increasing total rainfall and intensifying extreme weather events. Warmer air holds more moisture, leading to shorter periods of intense flooding followed by longer, devastating dry spells. This unpredictability disrupts agriculture, damages infrastructure, and poses a severe threat to the socio-economic well-being of the regio

Global warming is intensifying monsoons in the Himalayas by increasing their intensity and frequency, leading to more extreme rain events, floods, and landslides, while also altering the monsoons' seasonal flow. This climate change contributes to glacier melt and increased rainfall, which can cause flash floods and debris flows. Changes in monsoonal patterns also threaten water security for agriculture and communities in the Himalayan and downstream regions by affecting river flows and increasing the risk of landslides

In terms of average daily calories, India is not providing enough for most people, and the national average masks significant disparities
. Data from 2023–2024 shows that per capita calorie intake in both rural and urban areas fell short of recommended levels. For vulnerable and low-income populations, the calorie deficit is much more severe and compounded by poor dietary diversity

India faces a severe water crisis, impacting over 600 million people due to high to extreme water stress, with projections indicating the situation will worsen. This scarcity stems from excessive groundwater depletion, rapid urbanization, poor water management and infrastructure, and the effects of climate change on rainfall. The resulting shortages affect daily life, threaten agricultural output, and pose a significant risk to the nation's economic growth and public health.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Yes wildfires tend to be created by humans, and so is the rapid climate change and the effects of human caused climate change. Get the drift now?

This thread has been active since 2021. Aside from an imperceptible rise on global average temperature (over 100 years or so) there has been no noticeable change in climate. Do you even understand the meaning of the word rapid?

The last 20 to 40 years:

• have seen the tornado belt in the US move eastward
• heatwaves become typical in the Pacific NW
• Phoenix crushing record of consecutives days above 110 degrees
• warming oceans, bleaching corals, acidification
• rapid intensification of hurricanes becoming more common
• wildfires risks growing across continents
• insect related disease spreading north
• agricultural growing zones shifting north

These are all broad ecosystem changes that point to a single thing, the planet is warming. The changes haven't been devastating (as predicted) to this point, but they certainly have been noticeable and not without consequence.

 

[TSwizzle]

Yes wildfires tend to be created by humans, and so is the rapid climate change and the effects of human caused climate change. Get the drift now?

This thread has been active since 2021. Aside from an imperceptible rise on global average temperature (over 100 years or so) there has been no noticeable change in climate. Do you even understand the meaning of the word rapid?

The last 20 to 40 years:

• have seen the tornado belt in the US move eastward
• {snip}

Male bovine excrement. You link to an insurance company as evidence? Not biased at all hey? I also took a look at one of the bs studies the article used.

When removing many non-meteorological factors, it is shown that the annual frequency of United States tornadoes through the most reliable portions of the historical record has remained relatively constant. The most notable trends in tornado frequency are associated with increasing annual variability and a recent tendency for more tornadoes on any given tornado day. There has also been a measurable shift in the annual timing of tornado season, but it is currently unknown if this is due to rising global temperatures or natural variability

Another epic fail.

Didn't bother with the rest because it will undoubtably be more of the same.

 

[Shadowy Man]

Yes wildfires tend to be created by humans, and so is the rapid climate change and the effects of human caused climate change. Get the drift now?

This thread has been active since 2021. Aside from an imperceptible rise on global average temperature (over 100 years or so) there has been no noticeable change in climate. Do you even understand the meaning of the word rapid?

The last 20 to 40 years:

• have seen the tornado belt in the US move eastward
• {snip}

Male bovine excrement. You link to an insurance company as evidence? Not biased at all hey? I also took a look at one of the bs studies the article used.

When removing many non-meteorological factors, it is shown that the annual frequency of United States tornadoes through the most reliable portions of the historical record has remained relatively constant. The most notable trends in tornado frequency are associated with increasing annual variability and a recent tendency for more tornadoes on any given tornado day. There has also been a measurable shift in the annual timing of tornado season, but it is currently unknown if this is due to rising global temperatures or natural variability

Another epic fail.

Didn't bother with the rest because it will undoubtably be more of the same.

Wow! You really should read beyond the first paragraph of the introduction. That paper does indeed support the claim being made (I.e., the tornado belt in the US is moving eastward):

we demonstrate there has been a robust downward trend of tornado environments and reports in portions of the Great Plains concurrent with a simultaneous robust increasing trend in areas surrounding the Mississippi River Valley and the Midwest.

You won’t read the other papers because they also support that position.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Yes wildfires tend to be created by humans, and so is the rapid climate change and the effects of human caused climate change. Get the drift now?

This thread has been active since 2021. Aside from an imperceptible rise on global average temperature (over 100 years or so) there has been no noticeable change in climate. Do you even understand the meaning of the word rapid?

The last 20 to 40 years:

• have seen the tornado belt in the US move eastward
• {snip}

Male bovine excrement. You link to an insurance company as evidence?

When it comes to mitigating financial risk, particularly due to natural disasters, insurance companies are very likely to be a good source.

When removing many non-meteorological factors, it is shown that the annual frequency of United States tornadoes through the most reliable portions of the historical record has remained relatively constant. The most notable trends in tornado frequency are associated with increasing annual variability and a recent tendency for more tornadoes on any given tornado day. There has also been a measurable shift in the annual timing of tornado season, but it is currently unknown if this is due to rising global temperatures or natural variability

You quoted text from the study that says the number of tornados isn't changed much. I didn't say there were more tornados, I said the tornados are popping up further to the east.

We show that national annual frequencies of tornado reports have remained relatively constant, but significant spatially-varying temporal trends in tornado frequency have occurred since 1979. Negative tendencies of tornado occurrence have been noted in portions of the central and southern Great Plains, while robust positive trends have been documented in portions of the Midwest and Southeast United States.

Which is in kind with what I said.

To elaborate:

At this point, it is unclear whether the observed trends in tornado environment and report frequency are due to natural variability or being altered by anthropogenic forcing on the climate system. Global and regional climate model studies indicate a general increase in severe weather frequency (especially in boreal spring) and variability by the end of the 21st century in portions of the Midwest and Southeast, suggesting that the trends herein may indeed be due to anthropogenic forcing given the accumulating literature examining tornado/severe weather frequency and variability.<a data-track="click" data-track-action="reference anchor" data-track-label="link" data-test="citation-ref" title="Tippett, M. K., Allen, J. T., Gensini, V. A. &amp; Brooks, H. E. Climate and hazardous convective weather. Curr. Change Rep. 1, 60–73 (2015)." href="https://www.nature.com/articles/s41612-018-0048-2#ref-CR3">3</a>

I'd say you were cherry picking, but it seems more likely you just don't understand the content you were trying to post about.

 

[TSwizzle]

When it comes to mitigating financial risk, particularly due to natural disasters, insurance companies are very likely to be a good source.

I highly doubt that.

You quoted text from the study that says the number of tornados isn't changed much. I didn't say there were more tornados, I said the tornados are popping up further to the east.

So what if it does. It doesn't point to an existential climate crisis.

I'd say you were cherry picking, but it seems more likely you just don't understand the content you were trying to post about.

From one of the other studies;

Significant tornadoes, overall, have shown a decrease since 1973 by all metrics (tornadoes, tornado days, and pathlength); this could be due to a number of factors. The difference in F/EF2+ tornadoes during two 24-yr subperiods (1973–96 and 1997–2020) shows that an eastward shift in significant tornadoes and the pathlength of significant tornadoes are apparent. The overall national decrease in significant tornadoes was apparent in the data, with large decreases in the southern GP and small increases in the Southeast. However, the metric with the least decrease (1973–2020), pathlength, showed a decrease in much of the GP and an increase in much of the eastern United States, primarily the Southeast and western Ohio Valley, from 1973–96 to 1997–2020.

A slight shift of a few tornados eastwards could change at any time.

I'd say it is you who cherry picks.