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Charlie Kirk shot at (shot?) in Utah

Jason Harvestdancer said:
It has been well known for decades that gun control was a racist measure to prevent minorities from being able to defend themselves. It was inevitable that someone from the other side would eventually say "No You".
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Should they defend themselves from cops?
 
Politesse said:
You think someone on the "Left" hired an assassin to kill this guy? And then left no manifesto or whatever explaining why they did it? A silent walkaway is not exactly the communist profile.
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If he was a nobody, by FAR the most likely reason for a hit would be that his wife* paid someone to kill him.

Even as someone with a high public profile, that probability is still significant.

And if the killer left no political message or manifesto, and just quietly left the scene, the probability is very significant.

I assume that the FBI are paying very close attention to his widow**. They certainly should be, if they are professional enough not to let the media and political frenzy distract them***.






*Or someone else very close to him

**And his close associates

***Yeah, I know. Just kidding. Of course they're not
 
The shirt the 'person of interest' is wearing in those pictures has an American flag, a bald eagle, and the words Land of the Free and Home of the Brave on the front.

All he needs is a MAGA baseball cap to complete the look.
 
Could be his general partisan vibe or attempt to fit in. Wearing an AOC '32 or Ron Paul '04 shirt probably would make him stick out.
 
crazyfingers said:
I am really sick of seeing all the news on Kirk. The guy was a christian nationalist, a white nationalist, an anti-gay asswipe. Denying climate change, a 2020 election denier and antivax troglite. That a piece of shit and flags are at half mast over this.
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I didn’t agree with or like the guy either, and I agree the coverage is completely overblown. If we were close by, I’d give you a fist bump for this post. But to me, this isn’t about who he was, it’s about someone being killed over their opinion. If we’re okay with Kirk getting shot, then we’ve got no right to complain when the same thing happens to someone we value.

It’s strange that this happened so close to 9/11, an event that profoundly changed America and the world. The rhetoric I’m seeing, both online and in person, is disturbing, people celebrating this man’s death as if they don’t have their own figures they admire who could one day be in the same danger. I can’t shake the feeling that this event marks a shift, and we haven’t yet seen the full aftermath.

I’ve heard people argue that if Kirk hadn’t been divisive, annoying, or bigoted, this wouldn’t have happened, that somehow it’s his own fault. But American history is filled with examples of people who preached peace and unity, only to be struck down violently.

I feel like I woke up in an alternative universe.
 
Politesse said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
Could be his general partisan vibe or attempt to fit in. Wearing an AOC '32 or Ron Paul '04 shirt probably would make him stick out.
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Oh, but I thought Charlie Kirk was reaching across the aisle. A born diplomat. The new MLK. Don't you watch the news?
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According to the alt-right's impression of Kirk, Jimmy Carter was kneeling and praising Kirk as Kirk walked floated into Heaven.
 
As spun up as the Right is about this (and, to be fair, probably rightfully so—I know how furious I’d be if, say, Jon Stewart had been sniped out of existence), I think they’ll fail in trying to turn this guy into their Horst Wessel…as much as some would like to try.
For one thing, the Right has been downplaying school shootings for decades, including, vociferously, Golden Boy himself. What, NOW the whole country is supposed to clutch our pearls over a school shooting…which wasn’t even the only one that fucking day?
Sorry, Republicans, you’ve conditioned us to accept gun deaths on school property as being “nothing to see here, folks.”
This time, it was one of yours. It sucks to suck.
 
I wonder if Trump felt anything, when he watched the video. Was he sad about his friend dying? Horrified by the manner of it? Or was it just a political fact? Was he deciding what face to pull for the camera in his speech?
 
There is a long history of violent reposes on campus in California to conservative speakers.

Last year A Christian group was given a permit to put on a concert in a park in the Seattle LGBT neighborhood. There were questions by progressives as to how the permit was issued, the Christian group is counter to 'Seattle's values'. There were potshots.

Recreant they had an event away form the LGBT community and our mayor said there has to be equal rights for all, finally.

I think the right has a point, it is more the left that suppresses free repression.

I remember when the ACLU defended the right for Neo Nazis to hold a parade.


Yes, the American Civil Liberties Union has historically defended the free speech rights of neo-Nazis, most notably by representing a neo-Nazi group that sought to march in Skokie, Illinois, in 1978. The ACLU's position is based on the principle that free speech rights must apply to everyone, including those with odious views, to prevent the government from suppressing any dissenting message. This principle ensures that the right to protest is protected for all, not just for those whose views are popular or politically palatable.
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patchy said:
As spun up as the Right is about this (and, to be fair, probably rightfully so—I know how furious I’d be if, say, Jon Stewart had been sniped out of existence), I think they’ll fail in trying to turn this guy into their Horst Wessel…as much as some would like to try.
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World leaders were condemning this shooting because Trump liked the guy. The alt-right vision of this guy is much stronger than the truth is. He was a communicator. We don't need to talk about how he wants women submitting to husbands, said there is an acceptable number of gun deaths annually for the 2nd Amendment, and that they should help bail out the guy who aimed to kill Nancy Pelosi and severely beat her husband.

Trump normalized lying and now Kirk is becoming bigger than Gandhi to the alt-right.
 
Politesse said:
I wonder if Trump felt anything, when he watched the video. Was he sad about his friend dying? Horrified by the manner of it? Or was it just a political fact? Was he deciding what face to pull for the camera in his speech?
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Doubt he watched the video. It wasn't about him. His video statement was clearly written by someone else, and spoken with about as much emotion of someone who couldn't find a missing sock.
 
North Vs South. Left Vs Right. It's been Poor vs. Poor all along. Gosh.
 
steve_bank said:
There is a long history of violent reposes on campus in California to conservative speakers.

Last year A Christian group was given a permit to put on a concert in a park in the Seattle LGBT neighborhood. There were questions by progressives as to how the permit was issued, the Christian group is counter to 'Seattle's values'. There were potshots.

Recreant they had an event away form the LGBT community and our mayor said there has to be equal rights for all, finally.

I think the right has a point, it is more the left that suppresses free repression.
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While I agree that the left can want to limit the speech of those on the far-right, I will remind you that the alt-right were shooting cases of Bud Light because a transgender person was a spokesperson in a commercial. That is an actual reaction of violence, borderline terrorism.
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
World leaders were condemning this shooting because Trump liked the guy. The alt-right vision of this guy is much stronger than the truth is. He was a communicator. We don't need to talk about how he wants women submitting to husbands, said there is an acceptable number of gun deaths annually for the 2nd Amendment, and that they should help bail out the guy who aimed to kill Nancy Pelosi and severely beat her husband.

Trump normalized lying and now Kirk is becoming bigger than Gandhi to the alt-right.
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True enough. The alt-Right, though, still faces a hurdle of their own making in trying to leverage this overblown martyrdom for Charlie Kirk:
the sheer indifference to gun violence in general (and gun deaths on school property in particular) they’ve worked so assiduously to instill in us, for decades.
To one degree or another, they’ve managed to condition most of America that the proper response to a gun death at a school is a flurry of thoughts/prayers on social media, a finger-wag across the aisle that “now is not the time” to talk about gun control, and some variant of, “Second Amendment, baby.”

Well, okay, Repubs. Your rules.

Thoughts and prayers for Charlie.
Now is not the time to talk about gun control.
Second Amendment, baby.

That’s THEIR script. So let’s all follow it.
 
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