BOTH SIDES

[Elixir]

Here’s a thread where the left-right equivocators are invited to share statistics that support or belie the notion that blame for the lamentable state of current America can be equally divided between the right and the left.
I do not believe that’s the case, and here’s why:

 

[Elixir]

I do have to admit that left wing perps are (apparently) more likely to produce lethal results, but not so much so that lethal results are not mainly the province of the right, because the number of lefty perps is so much lower.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Remember, the right wing is completely innocent and totally non-violent!

Fox News host on mentally ill people who commit crimes: “Just kill them”

www.mediamatters.org

 

[steve_bank]

Different ideologies, but flip sides of the same coin.

The MAGA nuts had the attack ion the capitol. We had a long stretch of political violence from the nutty left in Seattle. Property damage. Neighborhoods where people were afraid to go out on the streets because of the 'protestors'

Our progressive mayor likened it to the Summer Of Love in 60s SF.

Trump and others dismissed the capital attack as peaceful protests.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Property damage.

Truly the left is far more violent.

My sides!

Get it? Sides.

 

[Elixir]

Property damage. Neighborhoods where people were afraid to go out on the streets

Channeling Derec again?
Those things are not targeted killings or even impulse killings. You are making a false equivalence.

Different ideologies, but flip sides of the same coin.

A coin showing different values on either side maybe. One costs money, the other, lives and democracy PLUS a destroyed economy, dwarfing the cost of “left wing property damage”.
BTW, the record for property damage is held by the right wing Trump mob. It’s not even close.

 

[crazyfingers]

Here’s a thread where the left-right equivocators are invited to share statistics that support or belie the notion that blame for the lamentable state of current America can be equally divided between the right and the left.
I do not believe that’s the case, and here’s why:

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Never trust a Twitter post without checking it out.

In this case it looks like the charts may be correct. At least they align with this.

https://www.adl.org/resources/report/murder-and-extremism-united-states-2023

 

[Elixir]

Yeah, my confirmation bias is strong on this. And it’s too fuzzy a substance to totally convert to meaningfully precise numerical values.

It just another way of pointing out that while most right wingers are not violent political psychopaths, most violent political psychopaths are right wingers.

That said, as your link points out …

It is important to note these statistics are just one metric of extremist violence and crime.

 

[thebeave]

Dems More Likely to Think Celebrating Public Figure's Death Acceptable—Poll

A new poll shows a sharp partisan divide over reactions to political violence, with Democrats more likely than Republicans to say it is acceptable to celebrate the death of a public figure.

A YouGov poll conducted on September 11 among 2,623 adults found that 11 percent of Democrats said it is "always" or "usually" acceptable to celebrate the death of a public figure they oppose, compared to 6 percent of Republicans.

Meanwhile, 71 percent of Democrats and 89 percent of Republicans said it is "usually" or "always" unacceptable.

 

[crazyfingers]

Dems More Likely to Think Celebrating Public Figure's Death Acceptable—Poll

A new poll shows a sharp partisan divide over reactions to political violence, with Democrats more likely than Republicans to say it is acceptable to celebrate the death of a public figure.

A YouGov poll conducted on September 11 among 2,623 adults found that 11 percent of Democrats said it is "always" or "usually" acceptable to celebrate the death of a public figure they oppose, compared to 6 percent of Republicans.

Meanwhile, 71 percent of Democrats and 89 percent of Republicans said it is "usually" or "always" unacceptable.

Perhaps the right-wingers who end up dying or getting killed are just far more despicable and evil than the leftwingers.

 

[laughing dog]

Dems More Likely to Think Celebrating Public Figure's Death Acceptable—Poll

A new poll shows a sharp partisan divide over reactions to political violence, with Democrats more likely than Republicans to say it is acceptable to celebrate the death of a public figure.

A YouGov poll conducted on September 11 among 2,623 adults found that 11 percent of Democrats said it is "always" or "usually" acceptable to celebrate the death of a public figure they oppose, compared to 6 percent of Republicans.

Meanwhile, 71 percent of Democrats and 89 percent of Republicans said it is "usually" or "always" unacceptable.

Perhaps the right-wingers who end up dying or getting killed are just far more despicable and evil than the leftwingers.

I wonder if the poll had been taken a week earlier if the results would have been similar.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Dems More Likely to Think Celebrating Public Figure's Death Acceptable—Poll

A new poll shows a sharp partisan divide over reactions to political violence, with Democrats more likely than Republicans to say it is acceptable to celebrate the death of a public figure.

A YouGov poll conducted on September 11 among 2,623 adults found that 11 percent of Democrats said it is "always" or "usually" acceptable to celebrate the death of a public figure they oppose, compared to 6 percent of Republicans.

Meanwhile, 71 percent of Democrats and 89 percent of Republicans said it is "usually" or "always" unacceptable.

For the millionth time, celebrating a death does not equal condoning the manner of death. I know right wingers don't care much for such nuances though (or can't comprehend them).

 

[crazyfingers]

Dems More Likely to Think Celebrating Public Figure's Death Acceptable—Poll

A new poll shows a sharp partisan divide over reactions to political violence, with Democrats more likely than Republicans to say it is acceptable to celebrate the death of a public figure.

A YouGov poll conducted on September 11 among 2,623 adults found that 11 percent of Democrats said it is "always" or "usually" acceptable to celebrate the death of a public figure they oppose, compared to 6 percent of Republicans.

Meanwhile, 71 percent of Democrats and 89 percent of Republicans said it is "usually" or "always" unacceptable.

I'd bet that if Obama was president and both chambers of congress were democratic majority and the supreme court was 6-3 liberals, the republicans would be over 50% ok with celebrating the death of a liberal public figure.

The fact is Republicans are far more despicable than the democrats. Recall that a great majority of republicans in congress voted to conduct an insurrection against Biden. How many democrats voted to overthrow the Turd's election in 2024?

 

[Harry Bosch]

Dems More Likely to Think Celebrating Public Figure's Death Acceptable—Poll

A new poll shows a sharp partisan divide over reactions to political violence, with Democrats more likely than Republicans to say it is acceptable to celebrate the death of a public figure.

A YouGov poll conducted on September 11 among 2,623 adults found that 11 percent of Democrats said it is "always" or "usually" acceptable to celebrate the death of a public figure they oppose, compared to 6 percent of Republicans.

Meanwhile, 71 percent of Democrats and 89 percent of Republicans said it is "usually" or "always" unacceptable.

Put me in that 71% camp.

 

[Politesse]

Dems More Likely to Think Celebrating Public Figure's Death Acceptable—Poll

A new poll shows a sharp partisan divide over reactions to political violence, with Democrats more likely than Republicans to say it is acceptable to celebrate the death of a public figure.

A YouGov poll conducted on September 11 among 2,623 adults found that 11 percent of Democrats said it is "always" or "usually" acceptable to celebrate the death of a public figure they oppose, compared to 6 percent of Republicans.

Meanwhile, 71 percent of Democrats and 89 percent of Republicans said it is "usually" or "always" unacceptable.

In a poll taken the day after a prominent Republican thought leader was shot to death, yes. Duh.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Even if it was just 3% of Democrats who supported celebrating deaths, Republicans would still have a freak out about it. Like how they're freaking out about "trans violence".

 

[Politesse]

This study from about this time last year found that if there's one thing that unites Americans, it's abhorrence of political violence. People are actually extremely worried about it, and certainly do not approve.

Overwhelming majorities of Americans are concerned about political violence today and in the future in the United States. 84 percent of Americans are concerned about political violence in the United States today, including 46 percent who are “very” concerned. Similarly, 87 percent of Americans are concerned about future political violence, including 50 percent who say they are “very” concerned. Concern over political violence is shared across party lines, with 92 percent of Democrats, 80 percent of Republicans, and 71 percent of independents saying they are concerned about political violence today in the United States.

• The intensity of concern varies across party lines, with 58 percent of Democrats are “very” concerned about political violence, compared to 31 percent of independents and 37 percent of Republicans.

Democrats are more worried about it, though, and are also widely more trusted to prevent it. For the most part, Democrats suspect Republicans of being the primary instigators of violence and Republicans suspect Democrats, almost precisely along party lines.

 

[Politesse]

Of course, then you have other kinds of violence. There is no equivalent on the Left to the Right wing's explicit calls for the mass killings of homeless people, the mentally ill, immigrants, drug lords, and our enemies abroad. Like this example from Brian Kilmeade on Wednesday morning:



If you don't want to watch the whole video, the whole quote is "Or uh just involuntary lethal injection or something—just kill them." Even Lawrence Jones, no shrinking violet himself, looked a little shocked when Kilmeade just rolled that out in the middle of a paragraph like mass murder is just another of several reasonable proposals for how to solve homelessness...

Brian Kilmeade isn't some obscure rightwing nutjob; he runs an eponymous radio program and as you can see is a co-host of Fox and Friends, one of the nation's most popular news programs and a frequent source of talking points that pepper the President's speeches the next day.

I can't even imagine a left-wing presenter suggesting on air the deaths of an entire demographic category of people. That just doesn't happen. They try to draw false equivalencies over things like support for Palestinian civilians but, well, no. Whatever you believe she may imply by this or that, Rachel Maddow doesn't just off and endorse the mass killing of Israelis while the cameras are rolling. She simply does not.

 

[Elixir]

Dems More Likely to Think Celebrating Public Figure's Death Acceptable—Poll

A new poll shows a sharp partisan divide over reactions to political violence, with Democrats more likely than Republicans to say it is acceptable to celebrate the death of a public figure.

So Dems are more honest.

A YouGov poll conducted on September 11 among 2,623 adults found that 11 percent of Democrats said it is "always" or "usually" acceptable to celebrate the death of a public figure they oppose, compared to 6 percent of Republicans.

Meanwhile, 71 percent of Democrats and 89 percent of Republicans said it is "usually" or "always" unacceptable.

Which public figure?
If you asked the question during Obama years you’d get a diffeeent spread.
Celebrating is a little different from causing, in any event. The available figures on causing are … what they are. Heavily Republican.

 

[Elixir]

Dems More Likely to Think Celebrating Public Figure's Death Acceptable—Poll

A new poll shows a sharp partisan divide over reactions to political violence, with Democrats more likely than Republicans to say it is acceptable to celebrate the death of a public figure.

A YouGov poll conducted on September 11 among 2,623 adults found that 11 percent of Democrats said it is "always" or "usually" acceptable to celebrate the death of a public figure they oppose, compared to 6 percent of Republicans.

Meanwhile, 71 percent of Democrats and 89 percent of Republicans said it is "usually" or "always" unacceptable.

In a poll taken the day after a prominent Republican thought leader was shot to death, yes. Duh.

Just wait until the mango crosses that rainbow bridge. Of course you’ll have to wait a day or two after the fact to poll any Dems as they’ll be passed out from partying.