President Trump on verge of death! ... well... I have to assume.

[bilby]

Trump will probaby try to find a way to count only white people.

Nah, he will count black people as three fifths...

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I don’t know how a tourist would receive a census form in the United States. Do they hand them out in hotels or something? Don’t know.

Looks like the US tries to count everyone by their usual home address.

https://www.census.gov/programs-sur...ng-management/count/transitory-locations.html

Yeah, we count where people live, not where they are. What do you do about people who aren't in a bed on census night? I've been on a variety of overnight vehicles. I have been in a tent under the stars. I've had a night timezoned out of existence by a plane.

 

[bilby]

I don’t know how a tourist would receive a census form in the United States. Do they hand them out in hotels or something? Don’t know.

Looks like the US tries to count everyone by their usual home address.

https://www.census.gov/programs-sur...ng-management/count/transitory-locations.html

Yeah, we count where people live, not where they are. What do you do about people who aren't in a bed on census night?

The ABS does their best to track them down, and get them to complete a form. Some of the details are at the link I gave earlier.

I've been on a variety of overnight vehicles. I have been in a tent under the stars.

Not a problem; You just say so on your census form.

I've had a night timezoned out of existence by a plane.

The Australian census is a snapshot of who is in Australia on census night, and where. If you are on an international flight, you aren't in the country.

 

[Swammerdami]

The Australian census is a snapshot of who is in Australia on census night, and where. If you are on an international flight, you aren't in the country.

It's not so easy to escape the clutches of being American.
If you are flying over international waters for even one minute (and even if thousands of miles from any U.S. territory) you are deemed to be inside the U.S. for that entire 24 hours when applying the "physical presence" method of excluding foreign income from taxation.

(Whether you earned income during the flight is irrelevant. If you spend 51% of your days and earn 100% of your income on foreign soil, you can only exclude a maximum of 51% of your income. If 49%, the exclusion drops to zero.)

 

[aupmanyav]

The OP was posted in clear jest, playing on a number of flaws of this administration.

What I am saying is in no joke. I see a definite change in the way he moves, sort of a neurological infirmity.
I do not wish any personal harm to Trump though India (we, people in general here) is disappointed by what he and his team have done.

 

[Spacetime Inhabitant]

What about Norfolk Island? THIRTY PERCENT tariffs!
And since there are only a couple thousand people there, the impact is massive.

2,188 people, at the 2021 census.

There were only 1,748 in 2016, but that year the Commonwealth Government changed the island's immigration status, making it a part of Australia for immigration purposes, and removing any barriers to people from the mainland who wanted to retire there.

The census figures are slightly misleading, though, as tourism is the major industry; At any time, about a quarter to one fifth of the people in the territory are visitors, so the permanent population likely remains fewer than 2,000 people.

Why would tourists be counted in any census?

The census counts everyone in the country, by their current location on census night. If you are somewhere in Australia that night, you should be recorded in the census at that location (and only that location), regardless of whether you are a permanent resident, visitor, tourist, or anything else.

They do also ask people whether this is their usual place of residence (which is how we know that 22% of people on Norfolk Island on census night 2021 were tourists).

Given the Census is about population and housing, it’s important that we record information about the types of places people stay on Census night.

The ABS travels from hospitals to hotels to houseboats, camping grounds to caravans, ski lodges to school camps, retirement villages to residential colleges, and secure apartment buildings to share-houses.

Australian Bureau of Statistics

I presime from your question that the US census doesn't work that way; How does it work?

Do you make every adult male travel to his town of birth, even if his wife is expecting, all the inns are booked out, and her only transport option is a donkey? Because that would be completely absurd, and even the Romans never did anything so daft*.






* Though if you are writing bad fiction, you could use it as a plot device to get your hero, who everyone knew was from Nazareth, to be compliant with a prophesy that said he would be born in Bethlehem. It's not like anyone will ever care enough to check

I have always received a census form in the mail at my home address and have filled it on behalf of my family. I don’t know how a tourist would receive a census form in the United States. Do they hand them out in hotels or something? Don’t know.

We used to use this primitive method (I believe it is still available for those who for example don't have an internet connection). But most people for the past couple of decade in Australia have completed their census form on their computer, so don't need an expensive physical form, that also requires a person to deliver and pickup the form, as the way it used to be done.

 

[Shadowy Man]

I don’t know how a tourist would receive a census form in the United States. Do they hand them out in hotels or something? Don’t know.

Looks like the US tries to count everyone by their usual home address.

https://www.census.gov/programs-sur...ng-management/count/transitory-locations.html

Yeah, we count where people live, not where they are. What do you do about people who aren't in a bed on census night?

The ABS does their best to track them down, and get them to complete a form. Some of the details are at the link I gave earlier.

I've been on a variety of overnight vehicles. I have been in a tent under the stars.

Not a problem; You just say so on your census form.

I've had a night timezoned out of existence by a plane.

The Australian census is a snapshot of who is in Australia on census night, and where. If you are on an international flight, you aren't in the country.

What about Norfolk Island? THIRTY PERCENT tariffs!
And since there are only a couple thousand people there, the impact is massive.

2,188 people, at the 2021 census.

There were only 1,748 in 2016, but that year the Commonwealth Government changed the island's immigration status, making it a part of Australia for immigration purposes, and removing any barriers to people from the mainland who wanted to retire there.

The census figures are slightly misleading, though, as tourism is the major industry; At any time, about a quarter to one fifth of the people in the territory are visitors, so the permanent population likely remains fewer than 2,000 people.

Why would tourists be counted in any census?

The census counts everyone in the country, by their current location on census night. If you are somewhere in Australia that night, you should be recorded in the census at that location (and only that location), regardless of whether you are a permanent resident, visitor, tourist, or anything else.

They do also ask people whether this is their usual place of residence (which is how we know that 22% of people on Norfolk Island on census night 2021 were tourists).

Given the Census is about population and housing, it’s important that we record information about the types of places people stay on Census night.

The ABS travels from hospitals to hotels to houseboats, camping grounds to caravans, ski lodges to school camps, retirement villages to residential colleges, and secure apartment buildings to share-houses.

Australian Bureau of Statistics

I presime from your question that the US census doesn't work that way; How does it work?

Do you make every adult male travel to his town of birth, even if his wife is expecting, all the inns are booked out, and her only transport option is a donkey? Because that would be completely absurd, and even the Romans never did anything so daft*.






* Though if you are writing bad fiction, you could use it as a plot device to get your hero, who everyone knew was from Nazareth, to be compliant with a prophesy that said he would be born in Bethlehem. It's not like anyone will ever care enough to check

I have always received a census form in the mail at my home address and have filled it on behalf of my family. I don’t know how a tourist would receive a census form in the United States. Do they hand them out in hotels or something? Don’t know.

We used to use this primitive method (I believe it is still available for those who for example don't have an internet connection). But most people for the past couple of decade in Australia have completed their census form on their computer, so don't need an expensive physical form, that also requires a person to deliver and pickup the form, as the way it used to be done.

Honestly, I don’t recall if the most recent on was done online not probably was. Maybe I received a making that gave me a URL.

Either way, since one of the primary purposes of the US census is to apportion representation in the government, I’d be very surprised if it included tourists who were out-of-state or non-US persons.

 

[robnisch]