Charlie Kirk shot at (shot?) in Utah

[barbos]

Why do you think I give a flying fuck about Trump? I don't want a goddamned civil war.

Those two sentences don't match. If you don't want a civil war, you should definitely give a flying fuck about the guy who is constantly threatening to instigate one.

Trump is not a cause of anything, he is a result and one of the symptoms of things going wrong.

 

[Tigers!]

Why do you think I give a flying fuck about Trump? I don't want a goddamned civil war.

Those two sentences don't match. If you don't want a civil war, you should definitely give a flying fuck about the guy who is constantly threatening to instigate one.

Trump is not a cause of anything, he is a result and one of the symptoms of things going wrong.

I would rarely agree with Barbos on anything but here he is too close for comfort.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The point is that the supreme court on a whim would nullify same sex marriage, law or not.

SCOTUS can even let Trump anoint himself dictator for life, cancel elections and take over private businesses just like Putin did.
AND THEY WILL IF AMERICANS DON'T STAND UP

That sounds trite, but they could reverse Marbury v Madison and say their role is not to arbitrate the Executive Branch's use of power.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

As I already pointed out, we've lost Roe and we're going to lose Obergefell.

I think we're less at risk of losing Obergefell, because we actually have a law in place that requires all states to recognize same-sex marriages as legally binding. We never had an actual law regarding abortion, and that was the undoing of Roe.

Nationally, both abortion and same sex marriage were protected by supreme court decisions, not laws. The supreme court decided to change it's mind on abortion. It could so the same with same sex marriage. Some justices even suggested that. What you say makes no sense.

It's much harder to get rid of a law than it is to reinterpret an interpretation.

No it isn't. Not when you are the Robert's SCOTUS. They already gave the POTUS legal immunity. They are just a step or two from Executive supremacy. We warned of this shit in 2000, 2004, 2008, 2012, 2016, 2020, 2024. People didn't listen.

 

[ZiprHead]

 

[Politesse]

Why do you think I give a flying fuck about Trump? I don't want a goddamned civil war.

Those two sentences don't match. If you don't want a civil war, you should definitely give a flying fuck about the guy who is constantly threatening to instigate one.

Trump is not a cause of anything, he is a result and one of the symptoms of things going wrong.

That's like saying train tracks aren't dangerous because they are part of a larger transit system. Of course Trump's career is the culmination of many changes much larger than himself, but he's still the train that will hit you if you don't stop to look both fucking ways before crossing the tracks.

 

[barbos]

Why do you think I give a flying fuck about Trump? I don't want a goddamned civil war.

Those two sentences don't match. If you don't want a civil war, you should definitely give a flying fuck about the guy who is constantly threatening to instigate one.

Trump is not a cause of anything, he is a result and one of the symptoms of things going wrong.

That's like saying train tracks aren't dangerous because they are part of a larger transit system. Of course Trump's career is the culmination of many changes much larger than himself, but he's still the train that will hit you if you don't stop to look both fucking ways before crossing the tracks.

Trump is not a train, he is an empty trash bag in the wind.

 

[Patooka]

Charlie Kirk's wife is creepy as fuck.

Turning Point USA releases Charlie Kirk memorial merchandise after his tragic death; Know cost and how to buy one

Turning Point USA has released memorial items for Charlie Kirk, who died at 31 after being shot during a university event.

www.hindustantimes.com

Jesus Christ, this is repulsive. The depressing part is you can only get free shipping if you spend more than $75 on "memorial merch".

 

[barbos]

Jesus Christ, this is repulsive.

Capitalism baby!

 

[Elixir]

Fuck these right wing morons.

 

[pood]

Yes, this is who we are: America’s 250-year history of political violence

 

[SLD]

Sei mir gegrüßt, Du starbst den Tod der Ehre!
Charlie Kirk fiel, doch tausend neu erstehen.
Es braust das Fahnenlied voran dem braunen Heere.
MAGA bereit, den Weg ihm nachzugehen.

Die Fahnen senkt vor Toten, die noch leben.
Es schwört MAGA, die Hand zur Faust geballt,
Einst kommt der Tag, da gibts Vergeltung, kein Vergeben,
wenn Heil und Sieg durchs Vaterland erschallt.

The new anthem of the Republican party - just sounds better in German.

 

[Colonel Sanders]

Your ideals have been a significant part of getting us into the mess and now the very people you claim to protect are and will continue to suffer for it.

This is just a bullshit narrative. People will always lie about the left no matter what we do. There is no tone whatsoever that will change that. And also no, the vast majority of the blame can be put on misinformation spread by social media as well as the Evangelicals.

Don't acknowledge reality. That's up to you.

You can just, I dunno, look at the statistics. Without the Christian right, it's hard to see Trump's cult of personality becoming that powerful, or abortion being such a big issue.

I have no idea what you're on about, but I'm having some memory issues that you could help with.

Who's in the White House?

Who has the majority in Congress?

What is the majority makeup of the Supreme Court?

Maybe that'll help enlighten me.

For some reason the sports term "Scoreboard Motherfucker!" might be relevant here.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Your ideals have been a significant part of getting us into the mess and now the very people you claim to protect are and will continue to suffer for it.

This is just a bullshit narrative. People will always lie about the left no matter what we do. There is no tone whatsoever that will change that. And also no, the vast majority of the blame can be put on misinformation spread by social media as well as the Evangelicals.

Don't acknowledge reality. That's up to you.

You can just, I dunno, look at the statistics. Without the Christian right, it's hard to see Trump's cult of personality becoming that powerful, or abortion being such a big issue.

I have no idea what you're on about, but I'm having some memory issues that you could help with.

Who's in the White House?

Who has the majority in Congress?

What is the majority makeup of the Supreme Court?

Maybe that'll help enlighten me.

For some reason the sports term "Scoreboard Motherfucker!" might be relevant here.

I'm not sure what it is with people pretending they don't know what I said even though what I said was completely obvious, which appears to happen frequently, but whatever.

 

[Colonel Sanders]

Yes, this is who we are: America’s 250-year history of political violence

And that's different from e.g. Britain, France, Germany, China, Russia, etc. etc. etc.?

And it's relevant and helpful today because... ?

 

[Colonel Sanders]

So you won’t vote for a Dem, which is essentially a vote for MAGGOTry

"If you don't vote for Dems, you're a fascist nazi"?

Certainly!

It really is that simple. Pood understands very well that everyone who disagrees with her on anything would've volunteered at Auschwitz.

 

[Colonel Sanders]

The point is that the supreme court on a whim would nullify same sex marriage, law or not.

SCOTUS can even let Trump anoint himself dictator for life, cancel elections and take over private businesses just like Putin did.
AND THEY WILL IF AMERICANS DON'T STAND UP

That sounds trite, but they could reverse Marbury v Madison and say their role is not to arbitrate the Executive Branch's use of power.

That's not ever going to happen.

 

[Colonel Sanders]

Jesus Christ, this is repulsive.

Capitalism baby!

It's gross opportunism, which exists in every system, but got-damn; this is especially ugly/hilarious/pathetic/mind blowing.

 

[Elixir]

"If you don't vote for Dems, you're a fascist nazi"?

Who (other than @Emily Lake ) said that?

There ARE other possibilities:

* You may be equally disgusted with “both sides”
* You may be totally ignorant of the facts on the ground
* You may agree with the right’s policies but be unaware of their fascist implementation tactics
* You may agree with the right’s policies and think some fascist tactics are warranted as a temporary requirement to accomplish reforms
* You may agree with the left’s objectives but detest the left’s candidates

In fact the possibilities are literally infinite, but not in the B&W world of @Emily Lake’s binary representations for rhetorical convenience.

FWIW, the most likely explanation for not voting Dem is that you support the Republican ticket. The fact is that the most likely explanation for that support is ignorance rather than malevolence.
OTOH if that is not the case for a given individual, the possibility that that individual is a fascist Nazi rises to or near the top of the probability list. IMHO though, that possibility is dwarfed by victims of RW propaganda who believe that voting for the fascist Party is the best way to preserve American democracy and save it from the commie lib scumbag child predators as represented by the RW propaganda machine.

Got it Ems?

 

[SLD]

Your ideals have been a significant part of getting us into the mess and now the very people you claim to protect are and will continue to suffer for it.

This is just a bullshit narrative. People will always lie about the left no matter what we do. There is no tone whatsoever that will change that. And also no, the vast majority of the blame can be put on misinformation spread by social media as well as the Evangelicals.

Don't acknowledge reality. That's up to you.

You can just, I dunno, look at the statistics. Without the Christian right, it's hard to see Trump's cult of personality becoming that powerful, or abortion being such a big issue.

I have no idea what you're on about, but I'm having some memory issues that you could help with.

Who's in the White House?

Who has the majority in Congress?

What is the majority makeup of the Supreme Court?

Maybe that'll help enlighten me.

For some reason the sports term "Scoreboard Motherfucker!" might be relevant here.

OK. Are you disagreeing with GN or not? I think his/her point is valid. The Christian right has an outsized influence in elections, coupled with Catholic anti-abortion politics, and MAGA wins - the White House, Congress and the Supreme Court. Religion is the real problem in America. I had hoped that as time went on it would become less and less, but it hasn't. I remember the elections of 2004 and my disappointment over Kerry's loss. I thought though that young people at that time were rejecting religious fundamentalism and the Republican Party's fanaticism, but it just hasn't happened. In fact, as the Republicans have gotten worse, they've gotten stronger!

The only hope I see is for an out and out economic collapse before the mid terms next year.

I also continue to see the democratic party in its newest mindset of identity politics and that's a loser and will be. They need to be the party of the working class and against the billionaires. They need to champion working people again, but they've lost them - perhaps for a very, very long time.