Charlie Kirk shot at (shot?) in Utah

[Emily Lake]

Like I said, you wrongly think I hate women

You wrongly think you know what I think.
THAT seems to be the problem.
I do not think you are in any way ill-intended toward women.
Try to keep that in mind please.

They all say stupid shit, and I'd love it if they would knock it the fuck off. But I'm not interacting with any of them - I'm interacting with you.

Then stop saying stupid shit, like telling people what they think.
Most people KNOW what the fuck they think. Your accusations are only for your own benefit.

You fucking tell me what I think all the goddamned time. How about you take your own advice for a change?

 

[Emily Lake]

That's called intersex, not transgender.

So (A) it's all in their mind.

It would be best not to confuse the two situations,

So keep it simple. (A) or (B), yes or no.
That's the problem.

An 'identity' would be Superman or Clark Kent. But just one physical person.
Your identity is your problem, nobody else gives a shit.
Nobody ever talks about intersex, but that's a physical reality. That, I could have sympathy for.
I have no sympathy for folks who think they are in the wrong body. That is just woo. Don't insist I agree with your beliefs.

Thank you for clearing it up for me.

Believe it or not, the mind is in fact a body part.

Which is why anorexics are actually for realsies fat, and we should all be affirming their identities and pitching in for their weight loss programs.

How does that follow from the mind being a part of the body? Eating disorders are living proof that minds do not exist in isolation, nor only approachable through humanistic mysticism.

Which you'd realize, if you were thinking for half a second instead of just bleating out PragerU aphorisms about attack helicopters, gender fluids, and anorexia. I know you have a brain, use it for once! Letting someone else talk through you is unbecoming of any literate person.

The brain is a part of the body, but the mind is not greater than the body. And brains lie all the time. Like a LOT. But somehow, we're all supposed to surrender our boundaries because some people insist that their minds have a magical essence that makes them the opposite sex so now they can get their dicks out in front of nonconsenting women.

What a person adopts as their psychological identity (as opposed to observable identifiers) doesn't alter reality, and it certainly doesn't supplant the reality that everyone else observes.

Gender identity is unverifiable, subjective, and is almost always based on regressive stereotypes about the opposite sex. I genuinely, sincerely do not care what anyone's gender identity is for them. It's irrelevant to me, and it should be irrelevant to everyone. I do, however, very much care about those few areas of life where sex - actual real objective sex - matters. And I very strongly object to giving males of the species a legal right to violate women's boundaries on the basis of their unverifiable, subjective feelings about what they wish they were but aren't.

Happy to extend the sizing options for clothing and shoes. Not willing to let free-swinging penises in my showers.

 

[Elixir]

You fucking tell me what I think all the goddamned time. How about you take your own advice for a change?

Quote me stating what “you think” or telling you what “you believe” ANYWHERE.
Go ahead, do it. I don’t tell you what you believe, I tell you what outcomes become more likely from choices younevince, presumably based upon what you believe.
You’re confused Emily, and that’s the benign assumption.
I can’t count the times you have conflated observations of results with personal attacks on your intent.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I get Charlie Kirk was a dick, but this derail seems a bit too literal

 

[laughing dog]

The thing is few would actually admit to being a Nazi.

Well, not after they lost the war. If it becomes safe to fly the flag again without losing their job, many will fly it just as proudly as they fly the "Confederate flag" now.

Yeah, they just find a new name with the same core behaviors and slightly different window dressing.

It's also one of the reasons that the easiest way to spot them is to spot the political groups whose names do not actually match their behavior, or which have names associated with nationalism and/or populism, while espousing "smaller*" government.

If you find the people seeking to hit social spending, or advocating to make certain human conditions criminal or regulated, completely agnostic to the behavior of the person with that condition, the those people are likely Nazis too.

As it is, Nazis, when they start to precipitate into power within a society, share a number of bedfellows who I will also call Nazis.

These "Nazi bedfellows" will in any era include a large number of false "free people", who believe they value justice and freedom and independence of thought, but whose values in practice skew towards "trains running on time" and re-instating conservative policies according to biases trained into them by religious and cultural sources.

These are, in fact, the majority of Nazis, like the soil in which the roots of the toxic plant of fascist government grows.

The fact is, of you don't want Nazis in your country, you will not be the fertile soil for this.

If you hate Nazis, really, if you want to be remembered not as an individual but as part of a *sort* of individual, as an instance of something we can count on next time, then today you will show that you can reject the comforts and the utilities of the trains running on time because you are one of those who will ultimately blow up the tracks before they can carry trains of people. Name those Nazis as what they are, and speak the words into history necessary to make the next instance of you who reads the words in the next cycle and understand before things get so out of hand as you let them get here.

MAGA are Nazis.

Those who pretend "MAGA" isn't "Nazis" are cheeky Nazis.

Your entire post boils down to "conservatives are nazis, we should make sure that there are no conservatives"

You strenuously object whenever someone boils down your posts to their view of its essence. In this case, the fuel for your boiling is the erroneous conflation of conservative with MAGA. There are plenty of conservatives who did not and do not support Trump.

I know it's difficult to parse, but perhaps you might try reading all of Jarhyn's post?

I did. Your boiled essence is pure balderdash. There is no mention of conservatives. Maybe you should take your own advice. I repeat - there are plenty of conservatives who are not MAGA.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

The thing is few would actually admit to being a Nazi.

Well, not after they lost the war. If it becomes safe to fly the flag again without losing their job, many will fly it just as proudly as they fly the "Confederate flag" now.

Yeah, they just find a new name with the same core behaviors and slightly different window dressing.

It's also one of the reasons that the easiest way to spot them is to spot the political groups whose names do not actually match their behavior, or which have names associated with nationalism and/or populism, while espousing "smaller*" government.

If you find the people seeking to hit social spending, or advocating to make certain human conditions criminal or regulated, completely agnostic to the behavior of the person with that condition, the those people are likely Nazis too.

As it is, Nazis, when they start to precipitate into power within a society, share a number of bedfellows who I will also call Nazis.

These "Nazi bedfellows" will in any era include a large number of false "free people", who believe they value justice and freedom and independence of thought, but whose values in practice skew towards "trains running on time" and re-instating conservative policies according to biases trained into them by religious and cultural sources.

These are, in fact, the majority of Nazis, like the soil in which the roots of the toxic plant of fascist government grows.

The fact is, of you don't want Nazis in your country, you will not be the fertile soil for this.

If you hate Nazis, really, if you want to be remembered not as an individual but as part of a *sort* of individual, as an instance of something we can count on next time, then today you will show that you can reject the comforts and the utilities of the trains running on time because you are one of those who will ultimately blow up the tracks before they can carry trains of people. Name those Nazis as what they are, and speak the words into history necessary to make the next instance of you who reads the words in the next cycle and understand before things get so out of hand as you let them get here.

MAGA are Nazis.

Those who pretend "MAGA" isn't "Nazis" are cheeky Nazis.

Your entire post boils down to "conservatives are nazis, we should make sure that there are no conservatives"

You strenuously object whenever someone boils down your posts to their view of its essence. In this case, the fuel for your boiling is the erroneous conflation of conservative with MAGA. There are plenty of conservatives who did not and do not support Trump.

I know it's difficult to parse, but perhaps you might try reading all of Jarhyn's post?

I did. Your boiled essence is pure balderdash. There is no mention of conservatives. Maybe you should take your own advice. I repeat - there are plenty of conservatives who are not MAGA.

There are plenty. Clearly they're not motivated enough to take over their party though.

 

[southernhybrid]

The thing that girls and women need to learn is how to stand up to bullies.

Yeah, all those women who are sexually assaulted and raped every year, they just need to learn how to stand up to their attackers. It's their own fault for not being strong enough.

I never said it was their fault. I said that all of us women need to learn how to stand up to bullies because in the majority of cases it weakens the bully and stop his aggression. Look at Trump for example. All of those who have stood up to him are doing better compared to those who gave in to his demands. Once you give in to a bully, they want more and more and more. I wan't only talking about sexual assault. I was talking about all kinds of bullying. My late father never tried to sexually assault his daughters, but he was a bully and I'm the one who stood up to him and told him off. It worked. It worked when I shamed the man who threatened to rape me. It worked when I've told nasty doctors off etc. It might not always work, but it's the best defense we women have, so we can at least learn or train ourselves to do that. We can also take self defense courses. I've never done that but one is offered at our senior center. There are many things women can to do to help us stay safe.

I recall when one of my female high school teachers told us that the one thing a bad man is afraid of is a bad woman. She told us how she had scared off a man who had threatened to assault her. I don't remember all of the details as I was in high school in the mid 60s, but what she told us had a lot of truth in it.

No offense Emily, but you often have a way of misinterpreting what another posters writes. Of course, it's never the woman's fault if someone attacks her. I'm just encouraging us all to learn how to ward off the bullies, as it usually works. I'll leave it at that.