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Killling a Myth: Why "Acting White" Isn't the Problem

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  • The "acting white" research is weak
  • Studies suggest that the highest-achieving black students are more popular than the lowest-achieving ones
  • Research suggests that black students have more positive attitudes about education than white students
  • All racial groups have nerds

http://www.vox.com/2015/3/4/8138739...cle:top&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook

Wasn't the whole "Acting white" meme more of a ghetto/gang culture thing and less of a black people or black people in general thing? And if we are going to play on stereotypes, shouldn't it be "acting asian"? :)
 
  • The "acting white" research is weak
  • Studies suggest that the highest-achieving black students are more popular than the lowest-achieving ones
  • Research suggests that black students have more positive attitudes about education than white students
  • All racial groups have nerds

http://www.vox.com/2015/3/4/8138739...cle:top&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook

Wasn't the whole "Acting white" meme more of a ghetto/gang culture thing and less of a black people or black people in general thing? And if we are going to play on stereotypes, shouldn't it be "acting asian"? :)

read the article
Then re-read the article
Particularly the part about how the acting white meme drives policy and has real world consequences.
 
  • The "acting white" research is weak
  • Studies suggest that the highest-achieving black students are more popular than the lowest-achieving ones
  • Research suggests that black students have more positive attitudes about education than white students
  • All racial groups have nerds

http://www.vox.com/2015/3/4/8138739...cle:top&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook

Wasn't the whole "Acting white" meme more of a ghetto/gang culture thing and less of a black people or black people in general thing? And if we are going to play on stereotypes, shouldn't it be "acting asian"? :)

Exactly--it's a ghetto-black thing, not a black-in-general thing. Showing that it doesn't apply to blacks in general not only doesn't prove their point but suggests that it's a real issue. (Seriously misguided research that "proves" <x> means it's likely they know <!x> is the truth.)
 
Wasn't the whole "Acting white" meme more of a ghetto/gang culture thing and less of a black people or black people in general thing? And if we are going to play on stereotypes, shouldn't it be "acting asian"? :)

Exactly--it's a ghetto-black thing, not a black-in-general thing. Showing that it doesn't apply to blacks in general not only doesn't prove their point but suggests that it's a real issue. (Seriously misguided research that "proves" <x> means it's likely they know <!x> is the truth.)

and are there ghetto specific laws and public policy? Is a black boy from the burbs wearing a hoodie automatically thought of as a suburbanite good kid?

This whole black culture schtick is good as far as it goes and it goes about four and a half inches, if that far.
 
As I've always said, I grew up in the "ghetto", knew Gang members, went to school, got excellent grades. The only people who said I "act white" or am "not really black" have all been white.
 
The "acting white" thing in the African-American community always pissed me off something fierce.

Timbuktu is slang for something really far away in the English language. What's interesting is that it is slang for something really far away in a surprising number of languages. Why? Because at one time, people traveled from all over the Muslim world (which extended from Spain to China) for a chance to be educated at the  University of Timbuktu. In its heyday it was the most prestigious institution of higher learning in the Muslim world.

It was probably the first institution of higher learning that we in the modern world would call a university. It's not just the world's first university, it's the oldest continuously operated university. It's fallen on hard times (they're teaching on dirt floors), but it's still operating. The Boko Haram attacks certainly didn't help.

Whenever American TV bothers to cover anything in Africa, they always seem interested in northeast Africa (Egypt, and some of the ancient civilizations that bordered Egypt). I have to imagine that many African-American kids wonder if Africans from the places their ancestors came from did anything significant.

They built the first fucking university, dammit. That's what they fucking did.

That's why it's so horribly ironic to see so many African-Americans give credence to that "education is a white thing" nonsense. Education -- particularly higher education -- very much is part of their heritage, so this attitude is horrifyingly ironic given that people who say those things say it because they're ignorant of their own history.

Yeah, I know. It's debatable what you would call the "first university." Timbuktu certainly lacked some features of modern universities, but it certainly is among the schools worth considering for that title.

The whole thing just pisses me off. It makes me want to cry when kids say "Education is a white thing."

Fuck.
 
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The "acting white" thing in the African-American community always pissed me off something fierce.

Timbuktu is slang for something really far away in the English language. What's interesting is that it is slang for something really far away in a surprising number of languages. Why? Because at one time, people traveled from all over the Muslim world (which extended from Spain to China) for a chance to be educated at the  University of Timbuktu. In its heyday it was the most prestigious institution of higher learning in the Muslim world.

It was probably the first institution of higher learning that we in the modern world would call a university. It's not just the world's first university, it's the oldest continuously operated university. It's fallen on hard times (they're teaching on dirt floors), but it's still operating. The Boko Haram attacks certainly didn't help.

Whenever American TV bothers to cover anything in Africa, they always seem interested in northeast Africa (Egypt, and some of the ancient civilizations that bordered Egypt). I have to imagine that many African-American kids wonder if Africans from the places their ancestors came from did anything significant.

They built the first fucking university, dammit. That's what they fucking did.

That's why it's so horribly ironic to see so many African-Americans give credence to that "education is a white thing" nonsense. Education -- particularly higher education -- very much is part of their heritage, so this attitude is horrifyingly ironic given that people who say those things say it because they're ignorant of their own history.

Yeah, I know. It's debatable what you would call the "first university." Timbuktu certainly lacked some features of modern universities, but it certainly is among the schools worth considering for that title.

The whole thing just pisses me off. It makes me want to cry when kids say "Education is a white thing."

Fuck.

have you ever heard those words (Education is a white thing) come from an actual black student? From any live. In person black person? I come from a predominantly black family and I have not. the article in the OP cite evidence that black students overall value education more highly than white stdents and that high achieving black students are more popular than low acheiving students. Now I have heard black people say to other blacks people, that they are acting white, but that is usually said as an accusation of treachery and deceit, not an indictment of education.

I wonder sometimes if it ever crosses the minds of some people why a black kid might think that the most hurtful thing he or she can say to another black kid is to accuse that black kid of acting white. What is it about whiteness that makes it a thing to be avoided?
 
I wonder sometimes if it ever crosses the minds of some people why a black kid might think that the most hurtful thing he or she can say to another black kid is to accuse that black kid of acting white. What is it about whiteness that makes it a thing to be avoided?

Racism?
 
The "acting white" thing in the African-American community always pissed me off something fierce.

Timbuktu is slang for something really far away in the English language. What's interesting is that it is slang for something really far away in a surprising number of languages. Why? Because at one time, people traveled from all over the Muslim world (which extended from Spain to China) for a chance to be educated at the  University of Timbuktu. In its heyday it was the most prestigious institution of higher learning in the Muslim world.

It was probably the first institution of higher learning that we in the modern world would call a university. It's not just the world's first university, it's the oldest continuously operated university. It's fallen on hard times (they're teaching on dirt floors), but it's still operating. The Boko Haram attacks certainly didn't help.

Whenever American TV bothers to cover anything in Africa, they always seem interested in northeast Africa (Egypt, and some of the ancient civilizations that bordered Egypt). I have to imagine that many African-American kids wonder if Africans from the places their ancestors came from did anything significant.

They built the first fucking university, dammit. That's what they fucking did.

That's why it's so horribly ironic to see so many African-Americans give credence to that "education is a white thing" nonsense. Education -- particularly higher education -- very much is part of their heritage, so this attitude is horrifyingly ironic given that people who say those things say it because they're ignorant of their own history.

Yeah, I know. It's debatable what you would call the "first university." Timbuktu certainly lacked some features of modern universities, but it certainly is among the schools worth considering for that title.

The whole thing just pisses me off. It makes me want to cry when kids say "Education is a white thing."

Fuck.

have you ever heard those words (Education is a white thing) come from an actual black student? From any live. In person black person? I come from a predominantly black family and I have not. the article in the OP cite evidence that black students overall value education more highly than white stdents and that high achieving black students are more popular than low acheiving students. Now I have heard black people say to other blacks people, that they are acting white, but that is usually said as an accusation of treachery and deceit, not an indictment of education.

I wonder sometimes if it ever crosses the minds of some people why a black kid might think that the most hurtful thing he or she can say to another black kid is to accuse that black kid of acting white. What is it about whiteness that makes it a thing to be avoided?

I have, but never from middle class African-Americans, and thankfully never from someone I know. I think I would've gone ballistic if someone I know and care about said any such thing.
 
I wonder sometimes if it ever crosses the minds of some people why a black kid might think that the most hurtful thing he or she can say to another black kid is to accuse that black kid of acting white. What is it about whiteness that makes it a thing to be avoided?

Racism?

Derec

Try history
Try current events

Or do you say the over the course of history, race relations between white and black people was just hunky dory? Do you think that the images black kids see on the news should endear say, the white force, to the hearts and minds of black youth? And then these same youth get to hear about this whole acting white thing from white people and can't for the life of them remember hearing such things in their home and they have to wonder why are the white talking heads lying on them.
 
have you ever heard those words (Education is a white thing) come from an actual black student? From any live. In person black person? I come from a predominantly black family and I have not. the article in the OP cite evidence that black students overall value education more highly than white stdents and that high achieving black students are more popular than low acheiving students. Now I have heard black people say to other blacks people, that they are acting white, but that is usually said as an accusation of treachery and deceit, not an indictment of education.

I wonder sometimes if it ever crosses the minds of some people why a black kid might think that the most hurtful thing he or she can say to another black kid is to accuse that black kid of acting white. What is it about whiteness that makes it a thing to be avoided?

I have, but never from middle class African-Americans, and thankfully never from someone I know. I think I would've gone ballistic if someone I know and care about said any such thing.

when? Where? And did you question as to why? What was the context? And did you ask why the words "acting white" would be used?
 
I have, but never from middle class African-Americans, and thankfully never from someone I know. I think I would've gone ballistic if someone I know and care about said any such thing.

when? Where? And did you question as to why? What was the context? And did you ask why the words "acting white" would be used?
Underseer, stop spoiling the narrative.
 
when? Where? And did you question as to why? What was the context? And did you ask why the words "acting white" would be used?
Underseer, stop spoiling the narrative.

Yeah, we don't believe you Underseer. Pics or GTFO.

Here's another perspective.... that its not a myth:

Quite simply, the idea that the “acting white” charge is a myth is itself a myth. This myth is embraced by people who shudder in their boots at the idea that black problems—this time, scholastic performance—might be due to anything but white racism.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/09/04/no-acting-white-has-not-been-debunked.html
 
Underseer, stop spoiling the narrative.

Yeah, we don't believe you Underseer. Pics or GTFO.

Here's another perspective.... that its not a myth:

Quite simply, the idea that the “acting white” charge is a myth is itself a myth. This myth is embraced by people who shudder in their boots at the idea that black problems—this time, scholastic performance—might be due to anything but white racism.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/09/04/no-acting-white-has-not-been-debunked.html

Bad source. McWhorter is probably one of the most readable linguists I've ever...read..., but he's some random dude outside of that - and one of the fairly conventional finger-waggers at that.

(Note the illustration is Carlton Banks, a guy who also danced like a goof, dressed like a guy at a yatch club, and the basic "not cool" foil for Will Smith. He crashes directly into that last section of that article Athena posted about all races having Nerds, but the one guy who ever did say he wasn't really black was portrayed as a complete asshole by the show for it.)
 
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