Are we now in full blown fascist totalitarianism?

[Crumb]

Nothing to worry about. He's just trolling us again over stuff he would never do. (until he does).

I think Bannon might be being a little cheeky here. Trump will be president in 2028. The issue is what happens in January of 2029 when his term ends.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Woke means "competetive vacuous leftist virtue signalling".

Woke means not asleep in history class.

Ha ha ha ha

That's the wokest thing you could possibly have said

Thank you.

Ha ha ha

No. Not a chance

You define "woke" as "competitive vacuous leftist virtue signalling." This is the key: you are using the term in a way that already assumes a negative conclusion, which serves as a massive goalpost shift from the actual threat of authoritarianism.

"Woke" was originally an African-American vernacular term meaning "aware of and actively attentive to important facts and issues (especially of racial and social justice)." It was a term of self-affirmation, not a weapon. Its current, derogatory usage is a carefully manufactured political product. As is typical of modern right-wing politics, a term is co-opted, simplified into an insult, and then relentlessly amplified via propaganda (like OAN, Fox News, talk radio, bro podcasts, or Elon Musk tweets) to be used as a simple stand-in for "anything I dislike that challenges my privilege or worldview." It has become the new "libtard" or "politically correct"—a vacuous catch-all accusation that allows the user to avoid engaging with the actual arguments about history, sociology, or inequality. Your very use of it to dismiss a serious discussion is evidence of its success as a propaganda tool and demonstrates its own function as vacuous virtue signaling, the very accusation you make.

Your main argument is that Trump's extremism is a reaction to "extreme intolerance of the current left." This is a classic false equivalence used to minimize a documented existential threat to democracy that shows evidence independent of anything the so-called "left" has done.

The protests, whether one agrees with their methods or not, are reactions to policy, historic injustice, or systemic failures. Trump's actions—attempting to subvert a free and fair election, instructing a violent mob to march on the Capitol, threatening to use the military against domestic dissent, and openly promising to weaponize the Justice Department against political opponents—are proactive (not reactive) assaults on democratic institutions.

Hair Furor's authoritarian creep is not a reaction to "woke." A politician does not attempt a coup d’état, fake an election victory, or promise to jail his opponents because he is unhappy about the curriculum in a university or a protest on a street corner. A politician doesn't start discussing violating the Constitution by serving a third term a decade in advance because "woke." These are the classic, well-documented steps of an aspiring autocrat seeking absolute power. The two phenomena are not on the same moral or political plane. They are independent.

The real drivers of Twitler McCrazy Pants's support are economic, racial, and propagandistic. You are correct that many Trump voters are voting against the Democrats, but attributing this to being "woke" is a gross oversimplification and inaccurate. Data shows the reasons are deeper and about other factors.

• Economic Anxiety/Resentment: Loss of manufacturing jobs, rising cost of living, and regional disparities have created a deep sense of economic insecurity and resentment that Trump taps into, successfully redirecting anger away from corporate policy and toward cultural scapegoats.
• Racial and Cultural Resentment: Research also shows a factor of Trump support is racial resentment and a feeling that the country's social hierarchy is being upended. Trump masterfully deploys rhetoric that activates a sense of aggrieved status among certain demographic groups. This is where propaganda like "The Great Replacement Theory" and "The Woke Mind Virus" play a role and the reason that Trump could not disavow the "The Jews Will Not Replace Us" crowd.
• Media Ecosystem: A key part of the rise of Trump is a closed media ecosystem (e.g., OAN, Fox News, Breitbart, bro podcasts, Reich-wing radio) that constantly validates and amplifies these resentments while actively discrediting any opposing sources. This creates a reality bubble where attacks on democratic institutions are seen as justified self-defense against a manufactured "extreme left."

The authoritarian creep is a measurable, tangible threat to the American system of government. Dismissing it as a mere "reaction" to something you dislike on the left is to willfully ignore the danger. You can spend all your time screaming about "woke," but the oligarch is still trying to dismantle the checks and balances of my country. The evidence shows that these are proactive efforts, but some are also framed as reactive narratives.

 

[unapologetic]

Its an insult. Obviously nobody has claimed it.

So it didn't die. The term is just being used less. Maybe the term DEI is taking it's place.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Its an insult. Obviously nobody has claimed it.

So it didn't die. The term is just being used less. Maybe the term DEI is taking it's place.

Who cares how much the term is used? Its a word that describes a behaviour. We're not talking about word usage. We're talking about a behaviour. Has the behaviour become less prevalent? I think so.

People are more intellectually curious now and more tolerant of dissenting views. That's the death of woke

 

[Elixir]

We seem to prefer an honest crook over a crook who claims being virtuous

Who is “we”?
‘Murkins are mostly sitting around making excuses for the mendacity of the megalomaniacal senile Felon they elected, entirely indifferent to the shredding of our Constitution and the rule of law.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Woke means "competetive vacuous leftist virtue signalling".

Woke means not asleep in history class.

Ha ha ha ha

That's the wokest thing you could possibly have said

Thank you.

Ha ha ha

No. Not a chance

You define "woke" as "competitive vacuous leftist virtue signalling."

Yes

This is the key: you are using the term in a way that already assumes a negative conclusion,

Yes

which serves as a massive goalpost shift from the actual threat of authoritarianism.

No. Its just my argument.

"Woke" was originally an African-American vernacular term meaning "aware of and actively attentive to important facts and issues (especially of racial and social justice)." It was a term of self-affirmation, not a weapon. Its current, derogatory usage is a carefully manufactured political product. As is typical of modern right-wing politics, a term is co-opted, simplified into an insult, and then relentlessly amplified via propaganda (like OAN, Fox News, talk radio, bro podcasts, or Elon Musk tweets) to be used as a simple stand-in for "anything I dislike that challenges my privilege or worldview." It has become the new "libtard" or "politically correct"—a vacuous catch-all accusation that allows the user to avoid engaging with the actual arguments about history, sociology, or inequality. Your very use of it to dismiss a serious discussion is evidence of its success as a propaganda tool and demonstrates its own function as vacuous virtue signaling, the very accusation you make.

I disagree. I'm a libtard on the left and I hate woke, because it makes us look dumb.

Your main argument is that Trump's extremism is a reaction to "extreme intolerance of the current left." This is a classic false equivalence used to minimize a documented existential threat to democracy that shows evidence independent of anything the so-called "left" has done.

I disagree. Intolerance breeds intolerance. Its as simple as that.

When the wokes had wind in their sails they used it to bully people. Making sensible people dislike the left

The protests, whether one agrees with their methods or not, are reactions to policy, historic injustice, or systemic failures. Trump's actions—attempting to subvert a free and fair election, instructing a violent mob to march on the Capitol, threatening to use the military against domestic dissent, and openly promising to weaponize the Justice Department against political opponents—are proactive (not reactive) assaults on democratic institutions.

Hair Furor's authoritarian creep is not a reaction to "woke." A politician does not attempt a coup d’état, fake an election victory, or promise to jail his opponents because he is unhappy about the curriculum in a university or a protest on a street corner. A politician doesn't start discussing violating the Constitution by serving a third term a decade in advance because "woke." These are the classic, well-documented steps of an aspiring autocrat seeking absolute power. The two phenomena are not on the same moral or political plane. They are independent.

The real drivers of Twitler McCrazy Pants's support are economic, racial, and propagandistic. You are correct that many Trump voters are voting against the Democrats, but attributing this to being "woke" is a gross oversimplification and inaccurate. Data shows the reasons are deeper and about other factors.

• Economic Anxiety/Resentment: Loss of manufacturing jobs, rising cost of living, and regional disparities have created a deep sense of economic insecurity and resentment that Trump taps into, successfully redirecting anger away from corporate policy and toward cultural scapegoats.
• Racial and Cultural Resentment: Research also shows a factor of Trump support is racial resentment and a feeling that the country's social hierarchy is being upended. Trump masterfully deploys rhetoric that activates a sense of aggrieved status among certain demographic groups. This is where propaganda like "The Great Replacement Theory" and "The Woke Mind Virus" play a role and the reason that Trump could not disavow the "The Jews Will Not Replace Us" crowd.
• Media Ecosystem: A key part of the rise of Trump is a closed media ecosystem (e.g., OAN, Fox News, Breitbart, bro podcasts, Reich-wing radio) that constantly validates and amplifies these resentments while actively discrediting any opposing sources. This creates a reality bubble where attacks on democratic institutions are seen as justified self-defense against a manufactured "extreme left."

The authoritarian creep is a measurable, tangible threat to the American system of government. Dismissing it as a mere "reaction" to something you dislike on the left is to willfully ignore the danger. You can spend all your time screaming about "woke," but the oligarch is still trying to dismantle the checks and balances of my country. The evidence shows that these are proactive efforts, but some are also framed as reactive narratives.

So what other word do you recommend other than "reaction"? It is just a reaction. Isn't it?

 

[Jarhyn]

We ought not "tolerate" the view that selfish action to burn the world down to nothing is an acceptable course for the sake of not needing to tolerate others.

If you disagree, fuck you, please die on your own time, not everyone else's.


We ought not "tolerate" the view that we ought have a king who may decide not to tolerate us and our harmless conduct.

If you disagree, fuck you, be irrelevant, and may society deny you any power at all to leverage towards your goals.


It is bullshit to act as if all things ought be equally "tolerated", particularly when that is to allow intolerant actions.


Germany as a country understood as much following the rise and fall of their own generation of Nazis.

 

[southernhybrid]

Nothing to worry about. He's just trolling us again over stuff he would never do. (until he does).

I think Bannon might be being a little cheeky here. Trump will be president in 2028. The issue is what happens in January of 2029 when his term ends.

I don't know. He sounded very serious to me when I saw him interviewed on tv. I mentioned this in another thread as it's close to impossible to know where to post things related to the destruction of our country. Some Harvard professor warned us that there were ways that could be used to allow trump to run for a third term. I think I read that in the NYT, but don't have time to search for the article right now.

My hope is that due to his medical condition and lifestyle, he either won't be alive or will be so demented that he won't be capable of speaking by the end of this term. Plus at least for now, its the states that decide who to put on the ballot. I doubt there are more than a few that would put Trump on the ballot, considering how low his ratings are and I think that most Republicans are at least sick and tired of the felon. They just don't have the courage to admit it.

 

[Crumb]

I was wrong too. He does specifically refer to a third term. Crazy pants. It seems impossible but what will stop them?

 

[unapologetic]

Who cares how much the term is used? Its a word that describes a behaviour. We're not talking about word usage. We're talking about a behaviour. Has the behaviour become less prevalent? I think so.

People are more intellectually curious now and more tolerant of dissenting views. That's the death of woke

I disagree with every sentance of that. That does not track with my experences. But I don't want to turn this into a circle-jerk.

When the wokes had wind in their sails they used it to bully people. Making sensible people dislike the left

(a) Not nearly as bad as Rump/MAGA bullys people. If I had Rump's power, I would shut FauxNews down on day 1. Even without Rump as an excuse to do so. But nobody on the left even tried. And Rump has no such restraint.
(b) Woke is not 'The Left'.
(c) What were 'sensible people' bullyed about? Bad/antisocial behavior. So no appoligy forthcomming.

 

[unapologetic]

It seems impossible but what will stop them?

Send Democrats to congress in the midterm elections. And impeach him.
As for Vance, HE will know HE does not have a 'mandate', and can be impeached too.
I am hopeing Rump's actions will kill off the Repugnant party.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

I find it interesting how the right hardly talks about actual human rights abuses and instead just talks about stuff like "virtue signalling".

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Trump calls for prosecution of more Biden-era Justice officials including Jack Smith and Merrick Garland

President Trump late Friday pushed for several Biden-era Justice Department officials to be prosecuted over an FBI investigation into the fallout of the 2020 election.

www.cbsnews.com

It looks like Merrick Garland is now up.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Trump calls for prosecution of more Biden-era Justice officials including Jack Smith and Merrick Garland

President Trump late Friday pushed for several Biden-era Justice Department officials to be prosecuted over an FBI investigation into the fallout of the 2020 election.

www.cbsnews.com

It looks like Merrick Garland is now up.

He's finally awake?

 

[Spacetime Inhabitant]

Woke means "competetive vacuous leftist virtue signalling".

Woke means not asleep in history class.

Ha ha ha ha

That's the wokest thing you could possibly have said

Ha ha ha

No. Not a chance

Here's another woke saying: "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it".

Its an insult. Obviously nobody has claimed it.

So it didn't die. The term is just being used less. Maybe the term DEI is taking it's place.

Who cares how much the term is used? Its a word that describes a behaviour. We're not talking about word usage. We're talking about a behaviour. Has the behaviour become less prevalent? I think so.

People are more intellectually curious now and more tolerant of dissenting views. That's the death of woke

You've never heard of MAGA have you? Nor are you aware of what the Republican Party are doing. It seems that you are asleep, and need to wake up.

I disagree. I'm a libtard on the left and I hate woke, because it makes us look dumb.

What does this sentence even mean? Libtard is an insult used by right-wingers for anyone who is not right-wing. In what way are you on the left when your every post opposes left-wing views, and supports right-wing (false) interpretations of reality? It is not woke that makes you look dumb but your weird worldview (and who is the 'us' in your sentence?).

 

[unapologetic]

Here's another woke saying: "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it".

Not from woke. That quote is older than both of us, kid.
Writen by George Santayana (1863-1952)
It's just good advice, to remind you to pay more attention.
I fail to see why you are triggered by it. Does it remind you of your shortcomings?

 

[bilby]

Here's another woke saying: "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it".

Not from woke. That quote is older than both of us, kid.
Writen by George Santayana (1863-1952)

That's more than eight years per word. George must have been a very slow speaker...

 

[unapologetic]

That's more than eight years per word. George must have been a very slow speaker...

Almost as slow as I type.

 

[Politesse]

Here's another woke saying: "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it".

Not from woke. That quote is older than both of us, kid.
Writen by George Santayana (1863-1952)
It's just good advice, to remind you to pay more attention.
I fail to see why you are triggered by it. Does it remind you of your shortcomings?

If "woke" can be applied to anything the speaker dislikes, with no rhyme or reason, why not Santayana? Why not Shakespeare? Why not Sappho?

 

[Spacetime Inhabitant]

Here's another woke saying: "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it".

Not from woke. That quote is older than both of us, kid.
Writen by George Santayana (1863-1952)
It's just good advice, to remind you to pay more attention.
I fail to see why you are triggered by it. Does it remind you of your shortcomings?

Who are you calling kid; I am very likely older than you? I know who wrote that, and he was paraphrasing an even older quote of same meaning.
I am not triggered by it, DrZoidberg is/will be. It doesn't remind me of "my" shortcomings. I was reminding DZ of his.
How could you misinterpret this so badly?! Did you not read DZ's prior posts in this thread (specifically #4999), where he basically claimed "history was bunk" (BTW that is another quote - from Henry Ford)?
Or is your answer meant to be satirical? If so it failed to be perceivable that way. I say this because many of your recent posts have been strange.