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How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

 
 
 
aupmanyav said:
Harry Bosch said:
I'm not fan of Trump. He's killed 7 or 8 drug runners. A crime in my opinion. Putin kills 7 or 8 Ukrainian civilians every single day
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He did get Iranians and Houti bombed. He is threatening Venezuela and Afghans.
laughing dog said:
And your Modi meets your implied standard as well.
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How? Modi killed only the terrorists of Lashkar-e-Taiyaba and Jaish-e-Muhammad. (Hafix Saeed and Masood Azhar). What was wrong in that? Both are listed as terrorists by USA also.
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Alleged terrorists without a trial.
 
laughing dog said:
aupmanyav said:
Harry Bosch said:
I'm not fan of Trump. He's killed 7 or 8 drug runners. A crime in my opinion. Putin kills 7 or 8 Ukrainian civilians every single day
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He did get Iranians and Houti bombed. He is threatening Venezuela and Afghans.
laughing dog said:
And your Modi meets your implied standard as well.
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How? Modi killed only the terrorists of Lashkar-e-Taiyaba and Jaish-e-Muhammad. (Hafix Saeed and Masood Azhar). What was wrong in that? Both are listed as terrorists by USA also.
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Alleged terrorists without a trial.
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And not authorized by congress.
 
Elixir said:
Critics have charged Modi with "extrajudicial killings" in lawsuits related to the Gujarat riots. Official figures cite 1,044 dead, but other sources and independent tribunal reports estimate as many as 1,926, with most victims being Muslim.
The US government has accused Indian intelligence services of orchestrating a plot to assassinate a Sikh activist on American soil, an operation allegedly sanctioned by an official close to Modi.
The Indian National Congress has accused the government of negligence and misplaced priorities following a deadly train accident in 2023.
Reporters Without Borders reported that almost half of the 28 journalists killed in India between 2014 and 2024 were investigating environmental topics, particularly illegal mining. Suspicious? Not really. To be expected actually.
Government complicity or inaction, allowing deadly communal and ethnic violence (especially against India’s religious minorities) is handwaved away.
Modi may be less malevolent than say, Trump, but he is no fucking angel.
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- That is a fake accusation. He took office on 24th February as chief Minister of Gujarat for the first time and the riots happened on 28th February. He was too new to administration. Indian Supreme Court has exonerated him of all charges, and it does not do that lightly. Any Indian would believe what the Supreme Court says rather than what opposition leaders for foreign journalists say.
- If Indian government planned the murder of a Sikh separatist in USA who supports terrorist activities in India, I do not blame them. Actually, US giving him citizenship in the name of 'asylum' was an anti-Indian act. How many times FBI has done such murders?
- Indian National Congress is a dynastic party. Indian budgets have increased 3 times during Modi rule (from 204 billion USD in 2014 to 572 billion USD in 2025). Congress rues that it is not in power to siphon ever growing government funds. It may accuse Modi of anything.
- Many a times, reporters turn into blackmailers if they stumble of any secret, that results into killings. None of any such killings is by Modi government. Moreover, we do not depend on politically-motivated news from foreign agencies. Let them feed that to their western audience. We have our own robust media.
- We have some 180 million Muslims as Indian citizens, some 17% of our population. Some of them help, engage in terrorist activities. Pakistan's ISI, IS, Al-Qaeda; Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Taiyaba, Jaish-e-Muhammad, Hizb-ul-Mujahideen; all are active in India. When caught, they will surely get their due. I do not see anything wrong there.
 
laughing dog said:
Alleged terrorists without a trial.
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We bombed only 2 well-known terror schools and 7 terror bases from where they sent terrorists into India. And we did this after informing them. Otherwise, the casualties would have been much higher.
Masood Azhar's family was killed because he did not think India would attack so far as his location.
 
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Elixir said:
You should stop apologizing for that genocidal cocksucker.
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Both are the same, Trump or Putin. Why should I blame only one? NATO was involved in the Ukraine crisis right before the Maidan uprising. They purposefully brought about the Ukraine war.
 
laughing dog said:
Alleged terrorists without a trial.
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I do not know the process in USA for branding individuals as Specially Designated Global Terrorist (SDGT), but this is what Google AI says about it:

Question: Have Masood Azhar and Hafiz Saeed designated as Global terrorists by USA?

Yes, the United States has designated both Masood Azhar and Hafiz Saeed as Specially Designated Global Terrorists (SDGTs). They have also both been designated as terrorists by the United Nations.

Masood Azhar
Founder and leader: Azhar is the founder and leader of the Pakistan-based militant group Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM).
U.S. designation: The U.S. Department of the Treasury officially designated Masood Azhar as an SDGT in 2010.
UN designation: After years of attempts blocked by China, the UN Security Council.
Notable attacks: Azhar and his group are responsible for numerous attacks in India, including the 2001 attack on the Indian Parliament and the 2019 Pulwama attack.

Hafiz Saeed
Co-founder and leader: Saeed co-founded Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT), the militant organization responsible for the 2008 Mumbai attacks. He is also the leader of its front organization, Jamaat-ud-Dawa (JuD).
U.S. designation: The U.S. designated Saeed as an SDGT in May 2008, and placed a $10 million bounty on his head in 2012 for his role in the Mumbai attacks.
UN designation: Saeed was designated by the UN under UNSCR 1267 in December 2008, following the Mumbai attacks.
Status in Pakistan: Despite international designations, Saeed was released from house arrest in Pakistan multiple times, which drew strong condemnation from the U.S.. He has, however, been convicted of terror financing charges by Pakistani Courts.
 
aupmanyav said:
NATO was involved in the Ukraine crisis right before the Maidan uprising. They purposefully brought about the Ukraine war.
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This happens in India too. We (I mean Indian government) is aware of this. If the government takes some steps to improve things here, NGOs incite people against it, whether it is Kalpakkam Nuclear Plant, a port in Maharashtra or a dam in Arunachal Pradesh. Many of them are Christian organizations. When it is an election in India, organizations in US cast aspersions on Indian business people and their relation with Modi. This is politics, interference.
 
"Dumb Way to Fight"
“A shattered wood strip, a field on the right, a field on the left. A straight line of ten kilometers of constant shelling,“ Pavlov describes. ”It’s impossible [to drive through]. It’s easy for the drone operators to attack — just fire at the vehicles. They can’t turn anywhere, can’t hide. Only stumps and trenches remain.”
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Soldiers would flee right from the frontlines back in 2022, but since then, security in the rear has been significantly reinforced
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“Back then, there were cases when the soldiers’ relatives would drive to the (Russia-occupied parts of) Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts and take their loved ones away, helping them to escape. And the locals would help in some way, transporting [the deserters],” he says. “Now it's difficult. The entire [rear] area is filled with military police, checkpoints, and inspections. All the routes out are under control. The rear is a controlled area for the enemy not to get in, and for the Russians not to leave."
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And by the way, remember the Kindergarten story you ran with earlier?
Well, it turned out it was Ukro-nazi regime in Kiev doing.
Russia uses a lot of pro-russian folk in Kiev occupied regions to get information.
So ukro-nazi clowns leaked false information about ukro-nazi using that Kindergarten. So russian army naturally struck it.
Don't know if the kids were there, probably not. But nazi will stop at nothing to make propaganda crap.

When war is over these responsible will be brought to justice and hopefully publicly hanged.
 
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Speaking of cancelled Budapest meeting. What happened was Orange Imbecile offered a deal where Russia gets the remaining part of Donetsk Oblast and in exchange agrees for ceasefire Orange Imbecile wants so much. Russian side did not expect such an offer and promised to think about it. That is what agreed to. Then Orange Imbecile met with Euro Fuhrers and predictably changed his opinion. They convinced him that Ukraine is winning and he shouldn't take such deal. So Orange Imbecile claimed that Russia did not want to implement ceasefire we agreed to in Alaska. That was a lie.

Meanwhile ukro-nazi forces are fully blocked in two places Pokrovsk and Kupyansk. In previous occasions Russians were giving nazis an option to retreat. This time there is no such option - full encirclement. Azov nazi regiment refused to go and help. You know you are in trouble when nazis refuse to fight.
 
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And now there are leaks from the russian government telling that they are done with Orange piece of shit and US in general. They have been trying to separate/contrast EU and Trump administration but now it is over and there is no point to pretend anymore.
I hope so but I doubt it's quite like that.
 
barbos said:
Speaking of cancelled Budapest meeting. What happened was Orange Imbecile offered a deal where Russia gets the remaining part of Donetsk Oblast and in exchange agrees for ceasefire Orange Imbecile wants so much. Russian side did not expect such an offer and promised to think about it. That is what agreed to. Then Orange Imbecile met with Euro Fuhrers and predictably changed his opinion. They convinced him that Ukraine is winning and he shouldn't take such deal. So Orange Imbecile claimed that Russia did not want to implement ceasefire we agreed to in Alaska. That was a lie.

Meanwhile ukro-nazi forces are fully blocked in two places Pokrovsk and Kupyansk. In previous occasions Russians were giving nazis an option to retreat. This time there is no such option - full encirclement. Azov nazi regiment refused to go and help. You know you are in trouble when nazis refuse to fight.
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Not true. First off, no one knows for sure what really happened. But it appears to me that Trump and Putin agreed to a lot at the last meeting, but Trump wants the war to end permanently. The west doesn't want continuously war with Russia. The only way to prevent future war with Russia is set up very very strong defenses on any border with Russia. The west wants any agreement with Russia to contain security guaranties for Ukraine. Putin at first seemed to agree with this. But the real powers in Russia said niet. Russia wants a weakened Ukraine so that they can fully and easily take it over in the future. Ukraine isn't going to agree to that.
 
barbos said:
And now there are leaks from the russian government telling that they are done with Orange piece of shit and US in general. They have been trying to separate/contrast EU and Trump administration but now it is over and there is no point to pretend anymore.
I hope so but I doubt it's quite like that.
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Funny how much you hate the most pro-Putin US president on record! BTW: I never thought that Russia could be reasoned with. Since day 1 I've argued that Russia is an imperialist power that wants more land and resources. Talks are not going change this. Your side wants war and conquest. Our side wants freedom. Time will tell who wins in this struggle.
 
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