Government shutdown again?

[Jason Harvestdancer]

So true. And who needs roads?

Oh my gods, he actually said it. Muh Roads.

 

[ZiprHead]

Bump

 

[unapologetic]

And who needs roads?

Where we are going we don't need roads.
Couldn't help myself

Jetson One​

I want one.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

 

[ZiprHead]

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Am I the only one who thinks most Americans just want the shutdown to end and don't care for any super duper strategic 4d chess moves during the shutdown, because they're just living paycheck to paycheck? This goes for the democrats trying to keep the shutdown going too. I also don't think it's necessarily that good to have a shutdown while we have this fascism thing going on. Not that the government open is great during this fascism thing obviously, but I don't think it's as effective as people are making it out to be.

 

[Patooka]

Am I the only one who thinks most Americans just want the shutdown to end and don't care for any super duper strategic 4d chess moves during the shutdown, because they're just living paycheck to paycheck? This goes for the democrats trying to keep the shutdown going too. I also don't think it's necessarily that good to have a shutdown while we have this fascism thing going on.

US Democrats are people who think Lucy won't yank the football this time.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Am I the only one who thinks most Americans just want the shutdown to end and don't care for any super duper strategic 4d chess moves during the shutdown, because they're just living paycheck to paycheck? This goes for the democrats trying to keep the shutdown going too. I also don't think it's necessarily that good to have a shutdown while we have this fascism thing going on.

US Democrats are people who think Lucy won't yank the football this time.

I just don't see how it's very effective even if you're going to argue for making super duper 4d chess moves.

 

[Politesse]

Am I the only one who thinks most Americans just want the shutdown to end and don't care for any super duper strategic 4d chess moves during the shutdown, because they're just living paycheck to paycheck?

That is a very accurate read of the common mood, though for the same reason, the public will discover far too late that a doubling of their medical insurance premiums will be onerous of to that cause of surviving from paycheck to paycheck. This isn't a simple black and white issue. The public bores quickly of complicated discussions, and that boredom can be stoked easily into anger, but not wanting to talk about a complex question does not shield you from the real impact of that question's resolution.

This goes for the democrats trying to keep the shutdown going too. I also don't think it's necessarily that good to have a shutdown while we have this fascism thing going on.

It takes two to tango. The idea that this whole thing is a Democratic project is nothing but Republican propoganda. The Republicans are the ones making a radical demand and refusing to cave, or even discuss the matter seriously, and they are pretty open about seeing this shutdown as a good thing that they wanted to happen, unlike Democrats, who generally see it as a disaster.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

This goes for the democrats trying to keep the shutdown going too. I also don't think it's necessarily that good to have a shutdown while we have this fascism thing going on.

It takes two to tango. The idea that this whole thing is a Democratic project is nothing but Republican propoganda.

That's great because I specifically used the word "too" in there implying it wasn't just the democrats. When are people going to work on their reading comprehension?

 

[barbos]

Is it still on?

 

[Politesse]

Is it still on?

Yes, though the matter is likely to reach a temporary resolution by the end of the week. Assuming they can get a quorum of their Reps and Senators back in time to vote on it, most of them haven't shown up for work in weeks. Useless louts.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

And by the way, the government shutting down is effectively part of Project 2025.

 

[Politesse]

This goes for the democrats trying to keep the shutdown going too. I also don't think it's necessarily that good to have a shutdown while we have this fascism thing going on.

It takes two to tango. The idea that this whole thing is a Democratic project is nothing but Republican propoganda.

That's great because I specifically used the word "too" in there implying it wasn't just the democrats. When are people going to work on their reading comprehension?

My apologies, I misread your post.

(I took your "too" to mean "I think this thing about Americans, and also that Democrats should do this" rather than "Democrats as well as Republicans are in error")

 

[GenesisNemesis]

This goes for the democrats trying to keep the shutdown going too. I also don't think it's necessarily that good to have a shutdown while we have this fascism thing going on.

It takes two to tango. The idea that this whole thing is a Democratic project is nothing but Republican propoganda.

That's great because I specifically used the word "too" in there implying it wasn't just the democrats. When are people going to work on their reading comprehension?

My apologies, I misread your post.

(I took your "too" to mean "I think this thing about Americans, and also that Democrats should do this" rather than "Democrats as well as Republicans are in error")

Sorry if I got a bit annoyed but it's happened to me frequently.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Am I the only one who thinks most Americans just want the shutdown to end and don't care for any super duper strategic 4d chess moves during the shutdown, because they're just living paycheck to paycheck? This goes for the democrats trying to keep the shutdown going too. I also don't think it's necessarily that good to have a shutdown while we have this fascism thing going on.

US Democrats are people who think Lucy won't yank the football this time.

This isn't "US Democrats", this is a few US Senator Democrats. This "deal" is absolute bullshit. The Democrats weren't making much headway, but they have the moral high ground. Giving in here gains nothing for the nation or the party. Unless there is something else not being reported, this sucks. Of course, one needs to remember this is about a continuing resolution. Not the actual budget... which still needs to pass.

 

[Politesse]

And by the way, the government shutting down is effectively part of Project 2025.

Very explicitly. One of the driving forces behind this shutdown is a guy named Russell Vought, who was one of Project 2025's authors.

Last year, he outlined to the press exactly how the administration wanted to use any means that presented, to attack and traumatize federal employees unilaterally. Quoth he: "We want the bureaucrats to be traumatically affected. When they wake up in the morning, we want them to not want to go to work ... We want to put them in trauma."

It's working. I don't even work directly for the feds, but their oversight of and overreach into the state system that I do work for grows more onerous by the week. I have never hated my job more.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

And by the way, the government shutting down is effectively part of Project 2025.

Very explicitly. One of the driving forces behind this shutdown is a guy named Russell Vought, who was one of Project 2025's authors.

Last year, he outlined to the press exactly how the administration wanted to use any means that presented, to attack and traumatize federal employees unilaterally. Quoth he: "We want the bureaucrats to be traumatically affected. When they wake up in the morning, we want them to not want to go to work. We want to put them in trauma."

Yup, I'm mainly confused about the strategy here. If we give in to allowing the government to be shutdown, I don't see that as any different than reinforcing Project 2025.

 

[Politesse]

It's a problem. I'm not sure what its resolution is. Eventually, every shutdown must end, and that will mean giving the Republicans what they want whether it is in November or February. There's no point waiting at an empty negotiation table. But giving in is also not resolving anything. You can be sure that the Republicans plan to do this exact same thing again next year, only with an even more outrageous set of demands. The government is not functioning. It is not in session. It is not funded. It is under siege, and most of our legislators are hiding from the shitstorm, not even showing up to engage in the conflict directly.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

I guess it's a situation where no matter what Dems do there could potentially be drawbacks.