Merged Gaza just launched an unprovoked attack on Israel

[steve_bank]

Israel for years systematically bombs buddings to rubble, some housing hostages.
Hamas can't find hostage bodies fast enough so Israel again bombs civilians.

I do not see much difference in brutality between Hamas and Israel.

The words to describe Israel is blood lust.

Israel will contuse to throw wrenches into the process. The conservatives do not want peace and any semblance of Palestinian independence out of reach of Israel. An international peace keeping force means Israel can not arbitrarily attack and colonize.

 

[Tigers!]

War Crimes

The sniper who killed that grandma holding the hand of a 5 year old waving a white flag committed a war crime.

The soldiers who shot and killed those shirtless men waving a white flag who turned out to be escaping Israeli hostages, committed a war crime.

The IDF soldiers who shelled the refugee camps in Gaza committed war crimes.

Let's not pretend y'all wouldn't be screaming bloody murder if Hamas shelled a camp full of Israelis fleeing the fighting, or if Hamas snipers were picking off Jewish grandmas trying to get preschoolers to safety.

A question without notice

Arctish
If Israel were to stop bombing Gaza, stop the settlements, not want the hostages back, release all Palestians prisoners, agree to whatever peace plan that is the Middle East peace plan de jure do you truly believe that Hamas/Islamic Jihad/Hezbollah etc. would stop raiding Israel, stop launching rockets, killing Jews whenever, when ever they can?

No.

Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, etc. are where violent bigots gather to plan and commit acts designed to force their opponents to comply with their desires. Just like Zionist terrorists who devised and implemented Plan Dalet. Just like the KKK keeping Black Americans separate and subjugated. Just like the Cossacks carrying out pogroms in Ukraine, the Spanish enslaving Taino in the Caribbean, and every other group who used violence to force others into submission throughout history.

There are many political parties that believe strongly in their vision of how the world should be, but when they cross the line into murder or welcome murderers into their midst they've lost all legitimacy in my view.

I think Israel needs to stop bombing Gaza because it is killing thousands of unarmed civilians. Their deaths won't make Israel any safer, it will rightfully turn more and more people against Israel.

I think Israel needs to not only stop building settlements, it needs to relocate the settlers and offer the empty housing to the Palestinians it made refugees when Zionists and the IDF destroyed their homes.

I think Israel should never stop wanting the hostages back, and not expect the Palestinians to stop wanting their people back either.

I think Israel should release everyone it is holding in administrative detention, i.e. prisoners who have never been charged with any crime, much less convicted, and should allow an impartial international panel to review the evidence and court proceedings of any non-Israeli who was convicted of a crime. There are credible allegations of torture and suppression of evidence when it comes to Palestinians accused of being enemy combatants. I think it's important for people to believe that justice, not vengeance, is being served.

I don't know the details of the peace plan de jure, but I doubt it's so sweet that every asshole in Hamas/Islamic Jihad/Hezbollah etc. would stop raiding Israel, stop launching rockets, killing Jews whenever, when ever they can. I do think a good deal would make the less fanatic back off, and the more pragmatic relent entirely. However, I also believe a sweet deal, or even any deal that allows a Palestinian State for be established on Palestine, would inspire fanatic Zionists to murder anyone who supports it, even Jews. They did it before and I expect they will do it again. Likewise for any deal that grants full and equal rights to Palestinians in a One State solution.

The challenge is to stand up to violent racist bigots and not let them be the driving force in society. Moderates are at a disadvantage when it comes to what they're willing to do to win that fight, but there is strength in numbers. I truly believe that moderates outnumber the murderous assholes in Israel and the Occupied Territories and that someday they will prevail.

"The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice." - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

Justice, fairness, respect, and upholding the rights of all persons equally is the only thing that has ever resolved conflicts like the one going on in Israel and Palestine. The sooner we apply one single standard when we judge the rightness or wrongness of a person's or nation's acts, the better for everyone.

IMO bombing civilians who have gathered together to seek shelter, or to get a hot meal, or to enjoy a music festival, is utterly immoral no matter who did it to whom. The perpetrators must be defeated on the ground and at the ballot box, and those who have chosen diplomacy and negotiation instead of terrorism and brutality must be supported.

Tigers!, I am quoting myself here so I don't have to keep typing everything out over and over again.

If there is anything in this post you want to discuss in more detail, let me know.

That you for the post.

The thing I would like to discuss is the statement "The perpetartors must be defeated on the ground and at the ballot box ......"

Israel is the only one doing (trying) to do that to Hamas and yet they are constantly vilfied, crticised, condemned by yourself and many others. Who else will try/do defeat them on the ground is not Israel? What does xefeated on teh ground actually mean?
Defeat at the ballot box will only work if the voting can be fair, safe etc. Hamas will never willing allow such a vote and if a vote ever occured they would not accept it.
Everyone agrees that changes must be made in Gaza but only Isreal is prepared to try.

What do you suggest be done to keep both Jews and Gazans safe in the future?

 

[Tigers!]

Israel for years systematically bombs buddings to rubble, some housing hostages.
Hamas can't find hostage bodies fast enough so Israel again bombs civilians.

I do not see much difference in brutality between Hamas and Israel.

The words to describe Israel is blood lust.

Israel will contuse to throw wrenches into the process. The conservatives do not want peace and any semblance of Palestinian independence out of reach of Israel. An international peace keeping force means Israel can not arbitrarily attack and colonize.

But would an international peace keeping force keep Jews safe from attack? If not, then don't bother.

There was UNFIL in Sth Lebanon for decades but its record at containing/controlling Hezbollah was very spotty at best.

 

[Tigers!]

To Arctish
Post 2559 is a concise and quite reasonable summary of the Aliyahs. Thank you

 

[Arctish]

That you for the post.

The thing I would like to discuss is the statement "The perpetartors must be defeated on the ground and at the ballot box ......"

Israel is the only one doing (trying) to do that to Hamas and yet they are constantly vilfied, crticised, condemned by yourself and many others.

Israel is not being criticized for trying to defeat Hamas.

It is not being criticized for the use of force when that force is clearly being directed at Hamas fighters and resources.

It is being criticized for carelessly, recklessly, and seemingly intentionally killing thousands of civilians. It is being criticized for policies that result in hospitals being bombed and medical staff being hauled away to prison where torture is alleged to be routine by IDF soldiers who were posted there. It is being criticized for the deaths of ambulance drivers, paramedics, and people bringing food in convoys that had permission to travel in Gaza. It is being criticized for openly flirting with ethnic cleansing and genocide so that Gaza can be developed into resorts, casinos, and extravagant hotels/conference centers for the benefit of Israelis and people like the Kushners.

Who else will try/do defeat them on the ground is not Israel? What does xefeated on teh ground actually mean?
Defeat at the ballot box will only work if the voting can be fair, safe etc. Hamas will never willing allow such a vote and if a vote ever occured they would not accept it.
Everyone agrees that changes must be made in Gaza but only Isreal is prepared to try.

I don't think that's true. There are other nations willing to foster peace through a combination of international law enforcement and economic development to foster prosperity and who support the effort to defeat Hamas.

Israel is trying to achieve peace through conquest, and that IMO is mostly because the most violent racist factions currently have the upper hand in Israeli politics. The coalition led by Netanyahu, Smotrich, BenGvir, and their close allies is utterly against a peace that acknowledges the Rights of Palestinians to any measure of self-determination, or even to stay in their ancestral homeland.

Remember, Netanyahu was so opposed to the Oslo Accords he claimed to have personally sabotaged them. He led the mock funeral procession (with coffin and a hangman's noose) at the rally of extremists who for hours chanted "Death to Rabin" because Rabin had agreed to a partition plan that would have recognized a State of Palestine. He was a leader of the same extremist faction(s) that produced not only Rabin's murderer but also the terrorist who murdered scores and wounded over a hundred of unarmed people as they knelt in prayer. He is such a terrorist fanboy he honored Irgun terrorists with a gala event in which a plaque commemorating the bombing of the King David hotel was revealed, an event that featured one of the terrorists who carried out the attack, there to regale guests with the story of how 91 people were murdered and scores more wounded by him and his cadre.

And Netanyahu resigned his post and broke up with his political mentor, Ariel Sharon, over Sharon's decision to withdraw Israeli settlers from Gaza in 2005. That's why those Zionist were celebrating at the outbreak of the war in Gaza, They know Netanyahu is aiming for resettlement there, and they are confident he will relocate Gazans to internment camps so they, Zionist Jews, can pick over the spoils in the Gaza Strip.

IMO Netanyahu is making things worse. He's been doing it for decades. I have no idea why anyone would trust him to lead Israel to peace when it's so obvious he wants to lead it to a brutal conquest.

What do you suggest be done to keep both Jews and Gazans safe in the future?

The same things people do along every border.

The first step is to identify those borders. The second step is to have treaties with mutually agreed upon protocols for dealing with border issues. The third step is enforcement of the protocols, which might require assistance from allies.

In other words, normalization of relations between the State of Israel and the State of Palestine. Or, if the borders encompass the entirety of Israel and the Occupied Territories, equal Rights for all persons within those borders, not internment camps and fenced off containment areas for 'undesirables'.

Nothing can be done to ensure perfect safety in the future. Even the most peaceful societies produce the occasional homegrown terrorist group or murderous cult. But it's not sensible or practical to let the perfect be the enemy of the good. An imperfect peace is better than what is happening right now in Israel and the Occupied Territories.

 

[Harry Bosch]

That you for the post.

The thing I would like to discuss is the statement "The perpetartors must be defeated on the ground and at the ballot box ......"

Israel is the only one doing (trying) to do that to Hamas and yet they are constantly vilfied, crticised, condemned by yourself and many others.

Israel is not being criticized for trying to defeat Hamas.

It is not being criticized for the use of force when that force is clearly being directed at Hamas fighters and resources.

It is being criticized for carelessly, recklessly, and seemingly intentionally killing thousands of civilians. It is being criticized for policies that result in hospitals being bombed and medical staff being hauled away to prison where torture is alleged to be routine by IDF soldiers who were posted there. It is being criticized for the deaths of ambulance drivers, paramedics, and people bringing food in convoys that had permission to travel in Gaza. It is being criticized for openly flirting with ethnic cleansing and genocide so that Gaza can be developed into resorts, casinos, and extravagant hotels/conference centers for the benefit of Israelis and people like the Kushners.

Who else will try/do defeat them on the ground is not Israel? What does xefeated on teh ground actually mean?
Defeat at the ballot box will only work if the voting can be fair, safe etc. Hamas will never willing allow such a vote and if a vote ever occured they would not accept it.
Everyone agrees that changes must be made in Gaza but only Isreal is prepared to try.

I don't think that's true. There are other nations willing to foster peace through a combination of international law enforcement and economic development to foster prosperity and who support the effort to defeat Hamas.

Israel is trying to achieve peace through conquest, and that IMO is mostly because the most violent racist factions currently have the upper hand in Israeli politics. The coalition led by Netanyahu, Smotrich, BenGvir, and their close allies is utterly against a peace that acknowledges the Rights of Palestinians to any measure of self-determination, or even to stay in their ancestral homeland.

Remember, Netanyahu was so opposed to the Oslo Accords he claimed to have personally sabotaged them. He led the mock funeral procession (with coffin and a hangman's noose) at the rally of extremists who for hours chanted "Death to Rabin" because Rabin had agreed to a partition plan that would have recognized a State of Palestine. He was a leader of the same extremist faction(s) that produced not only Rabin's murderer but also the terrorist who murdered scores and wounded over a hundred of unarmed people as they knelt in prayer. He is such a terrorist fanboy he honored Irgun terrorists with a gala event in which a plaque commemorating the bombing of the King David hotel was revealed, an event that featured one of the terrorists who carried out the attack, there to regale guests with the story of how 91 people were murdered and scores more wounded by him and his cadre.

And Netanyahu resigned his post and broke up with his political mentor, Ariel Sharon, over Sharon's decision to withdraw Israeli settlers from Gaza in 2005. That's why those Zionist were celebrating at the outbreak of the war in Gaza, They know Netanyahu is aiming for resettlement there, and they are confident he will relocate Gazans to internment camps so they, Zionist Jews, can pick over the spoils in the Gaza Strip.

IMO Netanyahu is making things worse. He's been doing it for decades. I have no idea why anyone would trust him to lead Israel to peace when it's so obvious he wants to lead it to a brutal conquest.

What do you suggest be done to keep both Jews and Gazans safe in the future?

The same things people do along every border.

The first step is to identify those borders. The second step is to have treaties with mutually agreed upon protocols for dealing with border issues. The third step is enforcement of the protocols, which might require assistance from allies.

In other words, normalization of relations between the State of Israel and the State of Palestine. Or, if the borders encompass the entirety of Israel and the Occupied Territories, equal Rights for all persons within those borders, not internment camps and fenced off containment areas for 'undesirables'.

Ordinarily, I'd agree with you. First off, both sides absolutely hate each other. Both sides have factions that want the land on the other side of the proposed border. The "right of return" that both sides have dooms peace. Even with a strong border, Israel can't really be defended 100% because of geography. And the Palestinians horrible government ensures their inability to control terrorists in their own country. Until their is a government in Israel that wants peace (which is probably a ways off); and there is a stable government in Palestine that wants peace (which is extremely long ways off); their won't be a peace.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Here's a super good summary of the Israel-Palestine conflict. Written by a Jew. A physist. But it's warts and all.

A Short History of Israel – David Deutsch

www.daviddeutsch.org.uk

 

[Arctish]

US intel found Israeli military lawyers warned there was evidence of Gaza war crimes, former US officials say

WASHINGTON, Nov 7 (Reuters) - The U.S. gathered intelligence last year that Israel’s military lawyers warned there was evidence that could support war crimes charges against Israel for its military campaign in Gaza – operations reliant on American-supplied weapons, five former U.S. officials said. The previously unreported intelligence, described by the former officials as among the most startling shared with top U.S. policymakers during the war, pointed to doubts within the Israeli military about the legality of its tactics that contrasted sharply with Israel’s public stance defending its actions.

Even before the U.S. gathered war crimes intelligence from within the Israeli military, some lawyers at the State Department, which oversees legal assessments of foreign military conduct, repeatedly raised concerns with U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken that Israel might be committing war crimes, according to five former U.S. officials.
As early as December 2023, lawyers from the State Department's legal bureau told Blinken in meetings that they believed Israel's military conduct in Gaza likely amounted to violations of international humanitarian law and potentially war crimes, two of the U.S. officials said.
But they never made a conclusive assessment that Israel was violating international humanitarian law, a move that other U.S. officials at the State Department saw as the legal bureau pulling its punches.
"They saw their job as being justifying a political decision," one of the former U.S. officials said. "Even when the evidence clearly pointed to war crimes, the Get-Out-Of-Jail-Free card was proving intent," one of the officials said.

 

[TV and credit cards]

and
In Israel, Mamdani’s win in New York stirs alarm over shifting US attitudes
Of course it did. What did you think would happen, people would be indifferent to the hard right in Israel hunting Hamas in Gaza without regard for the population in general?

JERUSALEM (AP) — The election of Zohran Mamdani as New York City’s next mayor has sent a chill across Israel as people come to terms with the victory of a politician propelled by an outspoken pro-Palestinian message that is rare in U.S. politics.

“Even where there is a huge concentration of Jewish power, Jewish money, Jewish cultural and political influence — even in this place, an American can be elected with a clear anti-Israeli label on his lapel,” wrote Shmuel Rosner, an analyst at the Jewish People Policy Institute.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Here's a good one. An interview with an American Jewish lesbian trans man who was a Jewish - Palestinian peace activist in Israel who was in Israel during the 7/10 attack, and only survived because they couldn't find a sober driver to take them to the Nova festival on the night in question. The whole interview is great. It's about as much about the western trans community as the leftist pro-Palestinian community.

 

[TV and credit cards]

Back to business as usual.
Israel announces plan to seize historical site in the West Bank as a new settlement appears

Israel’s Civil Administration announced its intention to expropriate large swaths of Sebastia, a major archaeological site in the West Bank, in the document obtained by The Associated Press on Thursday. Peace Now, an anti-settlement watchdog group, said the site is around 1,800 dunams (450 acres) — Israel’s largest seizure of archeologically important land.

The move came as Israeli settlers celebrated the creation of a new, unauthorized settlement near Bethlehem, and a Palestinian lawyer said a West Bank activist has been detained and hospitalized.

Bit by bit. The way they do.

 

[laughing dog]

Back to business as usual.
Israel announces plan to seize historical site in the West Bank as a new settlement appears

Israel’s Civil Administration announced its intention to expropriate large swaths of Sebastia, a major archaeological site in the West Bank, in the document obtained by The Associated Press on Thursday. Peace Now, an anti-settlement watchdog group, said the site is around 1,800 dunams (450 acres) — Israel’s largest seizure of archeologically important land.

The move came as Israeli settlers celebrated the creation of a new, unauthorized settlement near Bethlehem, and a Palestinian lawyer said a West Bank activist has been detained and hospitalized.

Bit by bit. The way they do.

The ethnic cleansing slowly proceeds.

 

[Arctish]

With tensions flaring in the West Bank, far-right Jewish settlers are now targeting members of the Israel Border Police responsible for cracking down on their violence

Far-right settlers are using increasingly inflammatory language in their chat groups, in some cases boasting openly about acts of violence they have committed.

In some of their WhatsApp groups, these Jewish extremists have been circulating videos and photos of themselves attacking Palestinians in West Bank villages and urging violence against Israel's Border Police and IDF troops stationed in the West Bank. Many of these documented acts have been attributed to a group called the "King David Brigades."

Activists also shared a video of an attack against Palestinians in the West Bank village of Turmus Ayya, with the following message: "More from the heroic Jews, several Arabs and leftists were wounded in the incident."

Along with glorifying acts of Jewish terror, members of these WhatsApp groups have targeted the Border Police for attempting to crack down on their violence. "Spot the differences," read a caption next to a photo of a Border Policewoman holding a gun juxtaposed against a photo of a Hamas terrorist taken on October 7. "In both pictures, terrorists are trying to murder Jews."

 

[DrZoidberg]

Back to business as usual.
Israel announces plan to seize historical site in the West Bank as a new settlement appears

Israel’s Civil Administration announced its intention to expropriate large swaths of Sebastia, a major archaeological site in the West Bank, in the document obtained by The Associated Press on Thursday. Peace Now, an anti-settlement watchdog group, said the site is around 1,800 dunams (450 acres) — Israel’s largest seizure of archeologically important land.

The move came as Israeli settlers celebrated the creation of a new, unauthorized settlement near Bethlehem, and a Palestinian lawyer said a West Bank activist has been detained and hospitalized.

Bit by bit. The way they do.

The west bank was invaded by Jordan in 1848. It should have been a part of Israel right from the start.

The reason it was ethnicly purely Arab in in 1967 is because Jordan ethnically cleansed it in 1948, and Arabs took over Jewish homes. Homes they never got back.

You narrative about theiving Jews and their ethnic cleansing is absurd.

The only reason Israel didn’t annex the whole west bank, (or what its really called Judea and Samaria) in 1967 is because of anti Jewish public opinion in the world.

They are treading extremely carefully yet keep being accused of the same stuff people have accused Jews of for 2000 years. The west bank should have been part of Israel since 1948. They have every right to do whatever they want with it, imho.

While the Arabs around Israel are openly fascistic and genocidal. Thar's just given a free pass by western opinion.

Why do you think the western press and opinion is so comfortable about embracing openly fascist and racist Arabs? What do you think that is about?

 

[laughing dog]

Back to business as usual.
Israel announces plan to seize historical site in the West Bank as a new settlement appears

Israel’s Civil Administration announced its intention to expropriate large swaths of Sebastia, a major archaeological site in the West Bank, in the document obtained by The Associated Press on Thursday. Peace Now, an anti-settlement watchdog group, said the site is around 1,800 dunams (450 acres) — Israel’s largest seizure of archeologically important land.

The move came as Israeli settlers celebrated the creation of a new, unauthorized settlement near Bethlehem, and a Palestinian lawyer said a West Bank activist has been detained and hospitalized.

Bit by bit. The way they do.

The west bank was invaded by Jordan in 1848. It should have been a part of Israel right from the start….

But it wasn’t. Which eliminates the underpinning reason for yourIsraeli ethnic cleansing apologia.

 

[ZiprHead]

Back to business as usual.
Israel announces plan to seize historical site in the West Bank as a new settlement appears

Israel’s Civil Administration announced its intention to expropriate large swaths of Sebastia, a major archaeological site in the West Bank, in the document obtained by The Associated Press on Thursday. Peace Now, an anti-settlement watchdog group, said the site is around 1,800 dunams (450 acres) — Israel’s largest seizure of archeologically important land.

The move came as Israeli settlers celebrated the creation of a new, unauthorized settlement near Bethlehem, and a Palestinian lawyer said a West Bank activist has been detained and hospitalized.

Bit by bit. The way they do.

The west bank was invaded by Jordan in 1848. It should have been a part of Israel right from the start.

The reason it was ethnicly purely Arab in in 1967 is because Jordan ethnically cleansed it in 1948, and Arabs took over Jewish homes. Homes they never got back.

You narrative about theiving Jews and their ethnic cleansing is absurd.

The only reason Israel didn’t annex the whole west bank, (or what its really called Judea and Samaria) in 1967 is because of anti Jewish public opinion in the world.

They are treading extremely carefully yet keep being accused of the same stuff people have accused Jews of for 2000 years. The west bank should have been part of Israel since 1948. They have every right to do whatever they want with it, imho.

While the Arabs around Israel are openly fascistic and genocidal. Thar's just given a free pass by western opinion.

Why do you think the western press and opinion is so comfortable about embracing openly fascist and racist Arabs? What do you think that is about?

So two wrongs make a right. Got it.

 

[ZiprHead]

Back to business as usual.
Israel announces plan to seize historical site in the West Bank as a new settlement appears

Israel’s Civil Administration announced its intention to expropriate large swaths of Sebastia, a major archaeological site in the West Bank, in the document obtained by The Associated Press on Thursday. Peace Now, an anti-settlement watchdog group, said the site is around 1,800 dunams (450 acres) — Israel’s largest seizure of archeologically important land.

The move came as Israeli settlers celebrated the creation of a new, unauthorized settlement near Bethlehem, and a Palestinian lawyer said a West Bank activist has been detained and hospitalized.

Bit by bit. The way they do.

The west bank was invaded by Jordan in 1848. It should have been a part of Israel right from the start….

But it wasn’t. Which eliminates the underpinning reason for yourIsraeli ethnic cleansing apologia.

I think he meant 1948.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Back to business as usual.
Israel announces plan to seize historical site in the West Bank as a new settlement appears

Israel’s Civil Administration announced its intention to expropriate large swaths of Sebastia, a major archaeological site in the West Bank, in the document obtained by The Associated Press on Thursday. Peace Now, an anti-settlement watchdog group, said the site is around 1,800 dunams (450 acres) — Israel’s largest seizure of archeologically important land.

The move came as Israeli settlers celebrated the creation of a new, unauthorized settlement near Bethlehem, and a Palestinian lawyer said a West Bank activist has been detained and hospitalized.

Bit by bit. The way they do.

The west bank was invaded by Jordan in 1848. It should have been a part of Israel right from the start….

But it wasn’t. Which eliminates the underpinning reason for yourIsraeli ethnic cleansing apologia.

I think he meant 1948.

Yes

 

[DrZoidberg]

Back to business as usual.
Israel announces plan to seize historical site in the West Bank as a new settlement appears

Israel’s Civil Administration announced its intention to expropriate large swaths of Sebastia, a major archaeological site in the West Bank, in the document obtained by The Associated Press on Thursday. Peace Now, an anti-settlement watchdog group, said the site is around 1,800 dunams (450 acres) — Israel’s largest seizure of archeologically important land.

The move came as Israeli settlers celebrated the creation of a new, unauthorized settlement near Bethlehem, and a Palestinian lawyer said a West Bank activist has been detained and hospitalized.

Bit by bit. The way they do.

The west bank was invaded by Jordan in 1848. It should have been a part of Israel right from the start….

But it wasn’t. Which eliminates the underpinning reason for yourIsraeli ethnic cleansing apologia.

Israel hasn't ethnically cleansed anyone at any time.

FYI, Israel has never viewed the west bank settlements as illegal. They're only illegal according to the UN. In the UN the muslim countries vote as a single block, always against Israel. There's no pro-Israel block. The Muslim countries have in the Israel question broken the voting system.

So we can stop saying the settlements are illegal. They're not. The west bank should have been part of Israel from the start. The Jews were erhnically cleansed from the west bank in 1948, and Arabs took over their homes. At no point has Israel forced Arabs to return any stolen land to Jews. So accusing Israel of ethnic cleansing is absurd.

I think westerners struggle with understanding just how imperialistic Muslim Arab nationalism is. They have rediculous double standards. Most Arabs in the area subscribe to a genocidal ideology towards Jews. Completely unfounded. Not only are they fascistic but openly against western liberal values.

Why are you supporting people like this?

 

[laughing dog]

Back to business as usual.
Israel announces plan to seize historical site in the West Bank as a new settlement appears

Israel’s Civil Administration announced its intention to expropriate large swaths of Sebastia, a major archaeological site in the West Bank, in the document obtained by The Associated Press on Thursday. Peace Now, an anti-settlement watchdog group, said the site is around 1,800 dunams (450 acres) — Israel’s largest seizure of archeologically important land.

The move came as Israeli settlers celebrated the creation of a new, unauthorized settlement near Bethlehem, and a Palestinian lawyer said a West Bank activist has been detained and hospitalized.

Bit by bit. The way they do.

The west bank was invaded by Jordan in 1848. It should have been a part of Israel right from the start….

But it wasn’t. Which eliminates the underpinning reason for yourIsraeli ethnic cleansing apologia.

Israel hasn't ethnically cleansed anyone at any time.

You are being obtuse.

FYI, Israel has never viewed the west bank settlements as illegal. They're only illegal according to the UN.

Got it - Israel can ignore international law.

In the UN the muslim countries vote as a single block, always against Israel. There's no pro-Israel block. The Muslim countries have in the Israel question broken the voting system.

Irrelevant whining.

So we can stop saying the settlements are illegal. They're not. The west bank should have been part of Israel from the start. The Jews were erhnically cleansed from the west bank in 1948, and Arabs took over their homes. At no point has Israel forced Arabs to return any stolen land to Jews. So accusing Israel of ethnic cleansing is absurd.

I think westerners struggle with understanding just how imperialistic Muslim Arab nationalism is. They have rediculous double standards. Most Arabs in the area subscribe to a genocidal ideology towards Jews. Completely unfounded. Not only are they fascistic but openly against western liberal values.

Why are you supporting people like this?

Neither you nor I know what you are ranting about now. It is ironic to see you whinge about ridiculous double standards. But I see you’re to back flinging baseless accusations to deflect from your support for Israeli ethnic cleansing which portends a future torrent of slander and bigotry if history is any guide.