George Floyd murderer's retrial

[laughing dog]

I hadn't thought of this possibility: Trump could find ways to apply pressure or otherwise influence the outcome of the trial. Then, afterward, he and his followers could say, "See, look, we were right."

With Trump, almost anything is possible - the qualifier "almost" because sane humane outcomes are not - but he has no chits to play in Minnesota at this time, outside of an outright invasion. Chauvin is convicted on state charges which Trump has no power over.

 

[crazyfingers]

I can absolutely see Trump pardoning him though - unfortunately.

I believe that this is a state conviction so Trump has no power to pardon.

 

[Bronzeage]

I can absolutely see Trump pardoning him though - unfortunately.

I believe that this is a state conviction so Trump has no power to pardon.

Chauvin was charged in both State and Federal Court. After being convicted in State Court, he pled guilty to the Federal charges and was given a concurrent sentence. This gets complicated because if he wins an appeal in State Court, he still has a Federal sentence to serve. It's very difficult to appeal a guilty plea, unless there is evidence the plea was coerced in someway.

I ran the Chauvin Case through the Conspiracy Theory Transmogrifier and came up with this:

Chauvin appeals and his conviction is reversed by a MAGA judge. Trump pardons the Federal Conviction, sparking riots and civil unrest across the country, giving Trump justification for declaring a national emergency and martial law, which includes an indefinite postponement of all elections.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Chauvin appeals and his conviction is reversed by a MAGA judge. Trump pardons the Federal Conviction, sparking riots and civil unrest across the country, giving Trump justification for declaring a national emergency and martial law, which includes an indefinite postponement of all elections.

Putting my tinfoil hat on...: I don't think he needs to declare martial law formally if the Supremes would agree that such riots are sedition or insurrection. He can then continue to use the National Guard as law enforcement, which he is pretty much doing anyway, like he is using Border Patrol to go all over the country away from the borders. As far as postponing elections, I don't think he would do that but again I don't think it's necessary. He can legally declare certain organizations terrorists, like, say, George Soros funds as foreign terrorists, or BLM as domestic terrorists and then look at which politicians they gave money to and force them to give up the money or be in trouble as terrorist support.

 

[Bronzeage]

Chauvin appeals and his conviction is reversed by a MAGA judge. Trump pardons the Federal Conviction, sparking riots and civil unrest across the country, giving Trump justification for declaring a national emergency and martial law, which includes an indefinite postponement of all elections.

Putting my tinfoil hat on...: I don't think he needs to declare martial law formally if the Supremes would agree that such riots are sedition or insurrection. He can then continue to use the National Guard as law enforcement, which he is pretty much doing anyway, like he is using Border Patrol to go all over the country away from the borders. As far as postponing elections, I don't think he would do that but again I don't think it's necessary. He can legally declare certain organizations terrorists, like, say, George Soros funds as foreign terrorists, or BLM as domestic terrorists and then look at which politicians they gave money to and force them to give up the money or be in trouble as terrorist support.

He certainly doesn't need to declare martial law, but at this point, it's not really up to him. It will be the White House capos who make that decision and they really need to shut down the Justice system before the next election. The key element of the conspiracy is Chauvin is broke. He can't afford a pardon and there's nothing he can do for Trump in the future. As Trump would say, "He doesn't have the cards". The only purpose of the pardon is to invite riots.

 

[Spacetime Inhabitant]

Chauvin appeals and his conviction is reversed by a MAGA judge. Trump pardons the Federal Conviction, sparking riots and civil unrest across the country, giving Trump justification for declaring a national emergency and martial law, which includes an indefinite postponement of all elections.

Putting my tinfoil hat on...: I don't think he needs to declare martial law formally if the Supremes would agree that such riots are sedition or insurrection. He can then continue to use the National Guard as law enforcement, which he is pretty much doing anyway, like he is using Border Patrol to go all over the country away from the borders. As far as postponing elections, I don't think he would do that but again I don't think it's necessary. He can legally declare certain organizations terrorists, like, say, George Soros funds as foreign terrorists, or BLM as domestic terrorists and then look at which politicians they gave money to and force them to give up the money or be in trouble as terrorist support.

If this happened, it would be hoped that the military would finally get off their butts and do their duty to their oaths.

 

[Derec]

There are plenty more examples that go against your narrative but you wouldn't give a shit.

Potter accidentally shot Daunte "Prince of Brooklyn Center" Wright. She meant to tase him. And he was a legitimate suspect with a felony arrest warrant who was fleeing. Damond was not a suspect, and Noor had no reason to draw either a gun or a taser.

 

[Derec]

Noor deliberately fired his weapon —in mistake. In neither the case of Justine Damond or George Floyd should either have ever been in danger of their lives at the hands of police officers.

And yet Chauvin is serving a much longer sentence than Noor, even though Floyd was a legitimate criminal suspect with a violent history, and Damond was an innocent woman.

The death of George Floyd, imo, is far less forgivable because it wasn’t done by accident, firing in error at the person who called the police.

It was done by accident. If you shoot at somebody, that is not accidental. You indent to kill that person, and Noor's murder conviction should have been upheld. It is far less forgivable than what Chauvin did, but Noor has a woke skin color and religion, so he gets a pass.
On the other hand, restraining a suspect by kneeling on them does not generally result in death, and thus there is no reason to assume intent to kill. Contribution of long-term drug abuse (e.g. Floyd had cardiomegaly), as well as of the heavy acute fentanyl and methamphetamine intoxication were ignored as contributing factors to his accidental death.

Derek Chauvin and the other officers continued to restrain Floyd who begged for mercy, defying pleas from the crowd and from George Lloyd. It was a cold blooded killing, not a panicked one by someone who should have known better.

I don't think Chauvin intended Floyd to die, but he misjudged the distress he was in, probably because he did not take into account the effects of his heavy intoxication and the toll chronic drug abuse took on his body. Manslaughter is a far more appropriate charge, and without the pernicious effects of race politics (not to mention the nationwide deadly rioting!), that would have been the verdict. On the other hand, how can you possibly justify Mohammed Noor getting a slap on the wrist for murdering an innocent woman?

 

[Toni]

Noor deliberately fired his weapon —in mistake. In neither the case of Justine Damond or George Floyd should either have ever been in danger of their lives at the hands of police officers.

And yet Chauvin is serving a much longer sentence than Noor, even though Floyd was a legitimate criminal suspect with a violent history, and Damond was an innocent woman.

The death of George Floyd, imo, is far less forgivable because it wasn’t done by accident, firing in error at the person who called the police.

It was done by accident. If you shoot at somebody, that is not accidental. You indent to kill that person, and Noor's murder conviction should have been upheld. It is far less forgivable than what Chauvin did, but Noor has a woke skin color and religion, so he gets a pass.
On the other hand, restraining a suspect by kneeling on them does not generally result in death, and thus there is no reason to assume intent to kill. Contribution of long-term drug abuse (e.g. Floyd had cardiomegaly), as well as of the heavy acute fentanyl and methamphetamine intoxication were ignored as contributing factors to his accidental death.

Derek Chauvin and the other officers continued to restrain Floyd who begged for mercy, defying pleas from the crowd and from George Lloyd. It was a cold blooded killing, not a panicked one by someone who should have known better.

I don't think Chauvin intended Floyd to die, but he misjudged the distress he was in, probably because he did not take into account the effects of his heavy intoxication and the toll chronic drug abuse took on his body. Manslaughter is a far more appropriate charge, and without the pernicious effects of race politics (not to mention the nationwide deadly rioting!), that would have been the verdict. On the other hand, how can you possibly justify Mohammed Noor getting a slap on the wrist for murdering an innocent woman?

Damond was killed completely by accident. He should never have drawn his weapon and he deserved his sentence, as tragic an error as it was.

Chauvin continued to kneel in Floyd’s neck, despite pleas from the gathering crowd. Floyd was not violent at the time, nor had he been accused of committing a violent act when Chauvin arrested him. Chauvin has never expressed remorse or regret for killing a man.

Criminal past or lack thereof does not factor into the acts that killed George Floyd, who was unarmed and begging for his life.

 

[Derec]

“Woke skin color”

Given the politics of Minnesota, and the fact that all Minnesota Supreme Court justices have been appointed by DFL governors such as the Knucklehead, I am convinced Noor's skin color and religion influenced the decision to reduce his conviction and sentence.
Note that the Knucklehead and Nation of Islam sympathizer Keith Ellison commuted the sentence of one Myon Burrell who murdered an 11 year old girl while attempting to murder somebody else. Some black lives matter more than others, I guess.

and calling Floyd a thug seems out of a character for someone who is “color blind”.

George Floyd is objectively a thug - because of his behavior, not his skin color. He had a long history of troubles with the law, and in 2007 he and others robbed a woman at gunpoint. Trying to portray him as some kind of "gentle giant" is yet another of insanities of 2020.
And being color blind does not mean I have to be blind to racial bias of for example the Minnesota Supreme Court for giving Mohammed Noor a slap on the wrist for murdering an innocent woman.

I’m surprised you failed to mention Chauvin’s conviction for tax fraud so we can have a better picture of his character.

What does that have to do with making a manslaughter into murder because of racial politics?

Chauvin cruelly killed a legally innocent person. He earned the 2nd degree unintentional manslaughter conviction. His first appeal got tossed. I’d be surprised if this one has a different fate.

It failed because of racial politics. Note that Mohammed Noor's appeal was successful, and he is a free man now, even though he shot and murdered an actually innocent woman.
As opposed to accidentally killing somebody whose health was heavily compromised by both chronic drug use and acute intoxication.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Jeebus, Derec, you do realize most people will just see the walls of text about off-topic things and just skip over them, right? I mean, if you want to make the thread about everything other than George Floyd's murderer's retrial, why don't you just start screaming about the Duke Lacrosse Team and posting random pictures of BLM? It's going to have the same effect.

 

[laughing dog]

“Woke skin color”

Given the politics of Minnesota, and the fact that all Minnesota Supreme Court justices have been appointed by DFL governors such as the Knucklehead, I am convinced Noor's skin color and religion influenced the decision to reduce his conviction and sentence.

You are wrong on the facts. Only 3 of Supreme Court Justices have been appointed to the Mn Supreme Court,. At the time of Mr Noor's appeal, two members of the Mn Surpreme Court had been appointed by Gov. Walz. One had been appointed by the previous governor. The rest had been elected.

Your belief is belied by the facts.

Note that the Knucklehead and Nation of Islam sympathizer Keith Ellison commuted the sentence of one Myon Burrell who murdered an 11 year old girl while attempting to murder somebody else. Some black lives matter more than others, I guess.

and calling Floyd a thug seems out of a character for someone who is “color blind”.

George Floyd is objectively a thug - because of his behavior, not his skin color. He had a long history of troubles with the law, and in 2007 he and others robbed a woman at gunpoint. Trying to portray him as some kind of "gentle giant" is yet another of insanities of 2020.

Mr Floyd is dead so he is objectively nothing. At the time of his death, he was nonviolent and had been for years.

And being color blind does not mean I have to be blind to racial bias of for example the Minnesota Supreme Court for giving Mohammed Noor a slap on the wrist for murdering an innocent woman.

You keep alleging racial bias, but you have provided no evidence.

Noor then appealed to the Minnesota Supreme Court arguing that the facts did not support a conviction on that charge. On September 15, 2021, the Minnesota Supreme Court reversed Noor's third-degree murder conviction on the basis that the state failed to prove that he committed murder with a "depraved mind" which is a "generalized indifference to human life" as required for the offense of third-degree murder. As the conduct in this case did not meet that standard, the Supreme Court directed the trial court  (Killing_of_Justine_Damond

I’m surprised you failed to mention Chauvin’s conviction for tax fraud so we can have a better picture of his character.

What does that have to do with making a manslaughter into murder because of racial politics?

Nothing, but you routinely bring up irrelevancies about accused blacks on trial in order for readers to get a full picture of the alleged's character.

Chauvin cruelly killed a legally innocent person. He earned the 2nd degree unintentional manslaughter conviction. His first appeal got tossed. I’d be surprised if this one has a different fate.

It failed because of racial politics.

According to your use of the term, that is a racist claim.

 

[Bronzeage]

One element of George Floyd's death which is often overlooked and was a great factor in Chauvin's conviction is the fact that Chauvin pulled Floyd from the back seat of a police car and then kneeled on his neck.

This means Chauvin created the circumstances which lead to Floyd's death. All of the usual justifications for police use of force, such as officer safety, etc, evaporate the moment Floyd was pulled from the car. From that point forward, everything that happened was due to Chauvin's decision to put on a performance for the benefit of other police officers and more likely the crowd.

When it went to trial, Chauvin's guilt hung on one simple fact. He could not justify taking Floyd out of the car and everything which ensued was the result of his poor judgment.

 

[Toni]

“Woke skin color”

Given the politics of Minnesota, and the fact that all Minnesota Supreme Court justices have been appointed by DFL governors such as the Knucklehead, I am convinced Noor's skin color and religion influenced the decision to reduce his conviction and sentence.
Note that the Knucklehead and Nation of Islam sympathizer Keith Ellison commuted the sentence of one Myon Burrell who murdered an 11 year old girl while attempting to murder somebody else. Some black lives matter more than others, I guess.

and calling Floyd a thug seems out of a character for someone who is “color blind”.

George Floyd is objectively a thug - because of his behavior, not his skin color. He had a long history of troubles with the law, and in 2007 he and others robbed a woman at gunpoint. Trying to portray him as some kind of "gentle giant" is yet another of insanities of 2020.
And being color blind does not mean I have to be blind to racial bias of for example the Minnesota Supreme Court for giving Mohammed Noor a slap on the wrist for murdering an innocent woman.

I’m surprised you failed to mention Chauvin’s conviction for tax fraud so we can have a better picture of his character.

What does that have to do with making a manslaughter into murder because of racial politics?

Chauvin cruelly killed a legally innocent person. He earned the 2nd degree unintentional manslaughter conviction. His first appeal got tossed. I’d be surprised if this one has a different fate.

It failed because of racial politics. Note that Mohammed Noor's appeal was successful, and he is a free man now, even though he shot and murdered an actually innocent woman.
As opposed to accidentally killing somebody whose health was heavily compromised by both chronic drug use and acute intoxication.

Actually, I’m certain that Noor’s skin color is what determined he was a) charged and b) convicted.

Murder is murder ( in all of its degrees) no matter who the victim is—unless they were committing an act of violence at the time.

Yes, years earlier Floyd had been convicted of aggravated robbery, was charged, tried, convicted and ultimately paroled, after which he worked in anti-violence programs. So, apparently, his punishment did serve as a deterrent to further offenses.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

George Floyd also served time for his crimes. Do right wingers believe people deserve to die for their crimes after they've already served time for those crimes?

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

George Floyd also served time for his crimes. Do right wingers believe people deserve to die for their crimes after they've already served time for those crimes?

Well, some of them believe those criminals should be executed and serve no time at all...unless they are right-wing criminals, then they are martyrs and hostages and should never have been arrested.