How should west respond to Russian invasion of Ukraine?

[DrZoidberg]

And still no comment on EU cancelling people who disagree with EU Führers.

We've been busy watching videos of burning Russian oil refineries.

Me watching dark streets of Odessa does not prevent me from commenting on everything.

This is why Russia is going to lose the war, Putin will be deposed and you'll be working for the third guy who takes his place. One would think the Russians who are in charge of strategic and tactical decisions are smarter than you, but there's no evidence of it.

The loss of power in Odessa does nothing to diminish Ukraine's ability to strike Russian naval vessels, oil refineries, oil tankers, or Generals. Your Air Force has lost more aircraft while it was parked than in the sky. It's like a man is slowly slicing your throat with a razor while you are poke him with your thumb, and threaten to poke him with both thumbs if he doesn't stop.

Russia sends missiles, drones, and bombs to hit civilian targets that pose not threat at all, while Ukraine is steadily chipping away at Russia's ability wage war. Just like your efforts on this forum, it's all a waste of lives and material.

Even if Putin wins, ie takes Ukrainian territory, Russia has still lost the war. The economic hit Russia has and will take after will take many generations to recover from. Russia wasn’t in great shape before the war either.

There's no plausible scenario where Russia will have benefited anything by this war.

Russia has lost any soft power they previously held. Sweden and Finland previously hadn't joined NATO because they were afraid of Russias response. They're not afraid any longer

The above is very true. The amount of soft power that Russia has lost is staggering. Little North Korea and Syria are running roughshod over Russia! Ukraine has moved to the west without a single nato soldier dying. Russia has conquered about 20% of Ukraine. But at the cost of millions of soldiers.

Reality check

The highest realistic estimate of dead Russian soldiers is 250 000. Casualties, ie dead and wounded, 400 000.

New Russian tactics now minimise Russian dead while taking territory the fastest they have yet.

What new tactics?

The new Russian tactic that is taking territory faster is simply claiming that dead Russian soldiers are holding the territory. The only thing that has minimized Russian dead is there are less Russians to die.

No. They move in with small non-mechanised commando teams beyond enemy lines, and then disrupt everything they can. And just keep doing that. For a variety of reasons it forces Ukraine to spread their defences thinner which the numericaly inferior Ukrainians can't.

Its apparently an effective Russian tactic, that Ukraine has yet to find a way to counter. This is why Zelenskyy has opened up for peace negotiations now.

Drones have made it unsustainable to have critical stationary targets visible from the air. So tanks are out, as well as medium range artillery pieces.

This war features massive networks of trenches where small teams of soldiers keep moving around in. The trenches allows for the ability to stay hidden from drones.

Its all about the drones. Its a new style of warfare we've never seen before.

There's also an arms race between Russia and EU on producing new drones. This is something typically kept out of the news, because it's too complicated for ordinary people to grasp. But all of EU (except Hungary) is all in on supporting Ukrainian drone warfare. Anything you hear about Ukrainian drones, they're developed and supplied by EU countries. This is a major factor in this war and why its gone so well for Ukraine

 

[DrZoidberg]

There's more bullshit than truth online

You're online. Is that why you get the middle east issues so wrong?

Oh, the irony of that comment. Lol

 

[Bronzeage]

And still no comment on EU cancelling people who disagree with EU Führers.

We've been busy watching videos of burning Russian oil refineries.

Me watching dark streets of Odessa does not prevent me from commenting on everything.

This is why Russia is going to lose the war, Putin will be deposed and you'll be working for the third guy who takes his place. One would think the Russians who are in charge of strategic and tactical decisions are smarter than you, but there's no evidence of it.

The loss of power in Odessa does nothing to diminish Ukraine's ability to strike Russian naval vessels, oil refineries, oil tankers, or Generals. Your Air Force has lost more aircraft while it was parked than in the sky. It's like a man is slowly slicing your throat with a razor while you are poke him with your thumb, and threaten to poke him with both thumbs if he doesn't stop.

Russia sends missiles, drones, and bombs to hit civilian targets that pose not threat at all, while Ukraine is steadily chipping away at Russia's ability wage war. Just like your efforts on this forum, it's all a waste of lives and material.

Even if Putin wins, ie takes Ukrainian territory, Russia has still lost the war. The economic hit Russia has and will take after will take many generations to recover from. Russia wasn’t in great shape before the war either.

There's no plausible scenario where Russia will have benefited anything by this war.

Russia has lost any soft power they previously held. Sweden and Finland previously hadn't joined NATO because they were afraid of Russias response. They're not afraid any longer

The above is very true. The amount of soft power that Russia has lost is staggering. Little North Korea and Syria are running roughshod over Russia! Ukraine has moved to the west without a single nato soldier dying. Russia has conquered about 20% of Ukraine. But at the cost of millions of soldiers.

Reality check

The highest realistic estimate of dead Russian soldiers is 250 000. Casualties, ie dead and wounded, 400 000.

New Russian tactics now minimise Russian dead while taking territory the fastest they have yet.

What new tactics?

The new Russian tactic that is taking territory faster is simply claiming that dead Russian soldiers are holding the territory. The only thing that has minimized Russian dead is there are less Russians to die.

Do you understand the following sentence:
"Western propaganda is lying to you"
I am not even trying to convince you here, this is merely check of your reading comprehension.
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I live in Russia and can go to local cemetery and literally count dead soldiers there and then extrapolate it to the rest of the country taking into account that people from big cities are reluctant to sign contracts.

What you see in the cemeteries is the soldiers who came home with serious wounds and died in a hospital. Most of the Russian dead are still in Ukraine, lying where they fell. This is no surprise, since the Russian military sees little value in a live soldier and none in a dead one.

 

[barbos]

What you see in the cemeteries is the soldiers who came home with serious wounds and died in a hospital. Most of the Russian dead are still in Ukraine, lying where they fell

Bullshit as usual. You throw the first shit which comes to your stupid head.
All obituaries are published in the local newspaper. They include circumstances.
Typical story is being lost in action and then body recovered later, sometimes much later.
Our side have ability to recover all the bodies but sometimes it takes time. Ukrainian has no such ability nor they care.

If you survived to get to hospital then you will almost certainly live. You may be without limbs but you will be alive.
There was only one guy who died "in" hospital and that was not directly related to wounds he got. Basically died from the heart attack after being released, could have been stress related.

 

[barbos]

And my estimates of russian losses is 150-200K which is consistent with western sponsored agencies.
My number is probably overestimation because it's based on depressed region which is more likely to provide men to the war. Ukrainian losses are obviously higher. How much higher is hard to say.
Ukrainian army relies much more heavily on FPV drone strikes, whereas
russian army has conventional striking abilities, hitting targets deep inside Ukraine. Also Ukrainian military is much more corrupt and mismanaged. They are under constant political pressure to produce propaganda results regardless of the losses. Russian military is more concerned about its losses.

You need to understand that this war is fueled by corruption and money. There is just enough nazy ideology to keep support from ukrainian population but it's really money. The west pays corrupt regime to send their men to death in order to hurt Russia a bit more. That's all there is to it. In the beginning the western scum thought they can surely win, now it's just inertia and not based in reality hope for some miracle. The EU in particular invested too much into this war.
It was stupid and based on false premise that Russia was weak and ready for regime change.
In reality Russia was not weak and "regime" is extremely stable and has full support of the population (especially considering that economy is fine)
And the popular support in Russia fort this war is ironically is the result of ukrainian regime propaganda. People look at these assholes and say "We should have "invaded" these motherfuckers earlier"
Also ukrainian propaganda in the west is skewed by so-called ukro-"refugees" which are interested in continuation of the war indefinitely because any stoppage would result in their immediate deportation to .... Ukraine and they don't want that. They don't even care to hide that. There are some "refugees" which openly say that. Russian population sees all that, Western does not becasue your media suppress that.

 

[barbos]

Ukrainians with alternative views your media ignores:

 

[ZiprHead]

Posts like this are why no one takes you seriously and your mission is an abject failure.

Then "one" is wrong. The fact is, I and my side are right and you and your side are wrong.
The fact is, Elensky's own adviser in 2019 goes out and says "Attacking Russia could be the price Ukraine have to pay to get into EU/NATO". Then a Swiss citizen merely quotes that in his analysis and EU Reich cancels him, taking his bank account and banning him from travel anywhere.
The fact is, Georgian Government said what they said and what they said was "EU wants us to attack Russia"

You might get a smidgen more respect if you actually provided links to what you say others said.

The fact is, Elensky's own adviser in 2019 goes out and says "Attacking Russia could be the price Ukraine have to pay to get into EU/NATO".

That would be a silly thing to say in light of the fact that NATO forbids membership to nations under conflict so doing so would be counter productive.

And Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014.

 

[ZiprHead]

Ukrainians with alternative views your media ignores:

That's just stupid wrong.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Posts like this are why no one takes you seriously and your mission is an abject failure.

Then "one" is wrong. The fact is, I and my side are right and you and your side are wrong.
The fact is, Elensky's own adviser in 2019 goes out and says "Attacking Russia could be the price Ukraine have to pay to get into EU/NATO". Then a Swiss citizen merely quotes that in his analysis and EU Reich cancels him, taking his bank account and banning him from travel anywhere.
The fact is, Georgian Government said what they said and what they said was "EU wants us to attack Russia"

You are so gullible! The real question is really how many of your countrymen believe the same nonsense?

 

[barbos]

Ukrainians with alternative views your media ignores:

That's just stupid wrong.

Stupid wrong is you.

 

[barbos]

Posts like this are why no one takes you seriously and your mission is an abject failure.

Then "one" is wrong. The fact is, I and my side are right and you and your side are wrong.
The fact is, Elensky's own adviser in 2019 goes out and says "Attacking Russia could be the price Ukraine have to pay to get into EU/NATO". Then a Swiss citizen merely quotes that in his analysis and EU Reich cancels him, taking his bank account and banning him from travel anywhere.
The fact is, Georgian Government said what they said and what they said was "EU wants us to attack Russia"

You might get a smidgen more respect if you actually provided links to what you say others said.

Fuck you! I provided all the links the first time I posted it

The fact is, Elensky's own adviser in 2019 goes out and says "Attacking Russia could be the price Ukraine have to pay to get into EU/NATO".

That would be a silly thing to say in light of the fact that NATO forbids membership to nations under conflict so doing so would be counter productive.

What a retarded thing for you to say. How is having these idiots to die for you in order to destroy Russia counterproductive?

And Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014.

We should have invaded them much earlier than that.

 

[Bronzeage]

What you see in the cemeteries is the soldiers who came home with serious wounds and died in a hospital. Most of the Russian dead are still in Ukraine, lying where they fell

Bullshit as usual. You throw the first shit which comes to your stupid head.
All obituaries are published in the local newspaper. They include circumstances.
Typical story is being lost in action and then body recovered later, sometimes much later.
Our side have ability to recover all the bodies but sometimes it takes time. Ukrainian has no such ability nor they care.

If you survived to get to hospital then you will almost certainly live. You may be without limbs but you will be alive.
There was only one guy who died "in" hospital and that was not directly related to wounds he got. Basically died from the heart attack after being released, could have been stress related.

I like the part about how "only one guy who died "in" hospital", and that was from a heart attack. This means the wounded are not being brought home. They are being left behind to die and decay, which you call " recovered later, sometimes much later."

 

[barbos]

This means the wounded are not being brought home. T

Are fucking drunk or something?
I said nobody dies in hospital.

 

[barbos]

They are being left behind to die and decay, which you call " recovered later, sometimes much later."

Yes, evacuation sometimes is impossible, especially when you are....... dead and incapable to ..... call for evacuation.

 

[Bronzeage]

This means the wounded are not being brought home. T

Are fucking drunk or something?
I said nobody dies in hospital.

Do you ever read before hitting "post reply". If you are going to preach Putin propaganda, at least make it sound plausible.

Whatever they are paying you, it's too much. When the political commissar checks up on you, you're definitely going to be starting the general's car every morning.

 

[ZiprHead]

Interesting reporting about recent Ukraine offensive actions in eastern Ukraine and Russia.

Don't need to watch. It's from a podcast.

 

[ZiprHead]

Here's another more recent update on the Ukrainian offensive and a huge tactical mistake by Russia.

 

[ZiprHead]

Just posted an hour ago.

 

[barbos]

Do you ever read before hitting "post reply"

I do and you apparently don't

 

[barbos]

Just posted an hour ago.

I did not know you were that retarded to post fake AI word salad video from a channel with 3000 fake subscribers.