How should west respond to Russian invasion of Ukraine?

[barbos]

Your response is crazy. You honestly think that everyone in the west is actively conspiring to bring Russia down? Looney.

No, you are crazy and looney. Your own Secretary of State confirmed what I said. Not to mention that freely available RAND paper does the same.

 

[Harry Bosch]

The great irony is thar russian so-called opposition is well aware of the russian population hatred of the Western "elite" and Ukrainian regime and even ukrainian populatin in general. And some of them are/were frankly nationalists and actual imperialists. Navalny and and that Wagner dude who tried overthrow Putin. But western assholes don't mind nazies and islamic terrorists as long as they are their nazies and terrorists.

Poppycock nonsense.

 

[barbos]

If western criminals were so concerned with Independent Ukraine they would insist on Minsk agreements.
But they were concerned with starting the proxy war with Russia which they were sure to win.

 

[barbos]

The great irony is thar russian so-called opposition is well aware of the russian population hatred of the Western "elite" and Ukrainian regime and even ukrainian populatin in general. And some of them are/were frankly nationalists and actual imperialists. Navalny and and that Wagner dude who tried overthrow Putin. But western assholes don't mind nazies and islamic terrorists as long as they are their nazies and terrorists.

Poppycock nonsense.

Nope, it's a fact. Russian opposition with few exceptions don't even want Ukraine mentioned.
email leaks say the same.

You see, you don't know anything, you are ignorant.
And russians know everything. We can read RAND papers and email leaks. And we remember everything even interviews of georgian politicians from 20 years ago.

 

[barbos]

So this is the situation. Your attempt to sanction Russia into regime change has failed. Russia can have current level of conflict in Ukraine indefinitely. It has no measurable effect on the economy. No regime change for you!
And EU is fucked without cheap Russian Gas.

 

[TV and credit cards]

"Where the foot of a Russian soldier steps, that's ours."
"Russia's borders do not end anywhere."
Dangerous in anyone. Terrifying in a nation's leader.

“Maybe they have nothing else to do in America but to talk about me.”
Spotlight Effect.

“There is no happiness in life, there is only a mirage on the horizon, so cherish that.”
The truth of Russian life.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The great irony is thar russian so-called opposition is well aware of the russian population hatred of the Western "elite" and Ukrainian regime and even ukrainian populatin in general. And some of them are/were frankly nationalists and actual imperialists. Navalny and and that Wagner dude who tried overthrow Putin. But western assholes don't mind nazies and islamic terrorists as long as they are their nazies and terrorists.

Poppycock nonsense.

You see, you don't know anything, you are ignorant.
And russians know everything.

We can read RAND papers and email leaks.

Yes, you can read whatever the Russian Government wants you to read.

And we remember everything even interviews of georgian politicians from 20 years ago.

Yes, superior in every way. Yet, you can't take over a small under-militarized nation after four years of trying, having made slightly better progress than the opposing sides in The Great War.

 

[barbos]

Yes, you can read whatever the Russian Government wants you to read.

RAND corporation is not russian government.

Yes, superior in every way. Yet, you can't take over a small under-militarized nation after four years of trying, having made slightly better progress than the opposing sides in The Great War.

We can and we did. It's just we are fighting collective West there.

 

[barbos]

Your response is crazy. You honestly think that everyone in the west is actively conspiring to bring Russia down? Looney. If so, why would the west spend 30 years integrating Russia into global markets, investing in its energy sectors, building diplomatic ties

You forgot blowing up gas pipelines.
What part of "google RAND extending russia" you do not understand?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Yes, you can read whatever the Russian Government wants you to read.

RAND corporation is not russian government.

Yes, superior in every way. Yet, you can't take over a small under-militarized nation after four years of trying, having made slightly better progress than the opposing sides in The Great War.

We can and we did. It's just we are fighting collective West there.

No. You are not facing the "collective West there". This isn't the Crimean War. The West's support for Ukraine isn't via The West's military might, mainly because we didn't want Putin making more bad decisions.

 

[barbos]

Yes, you can read whatever the Russian Government wants you to read.

RAND corporation is not russian government.

Yes, superior in every way. Yet, you can't take over a small under-militarized nation after four years of trying, having made slightly better progress than the opposing sides in The Great War.

We can and we did. It's just we are fighting collective West there.

No. You are not facing the "collective West there"

Yes, we are facing Collective West there.

. This isn't the Crimean War. The West's support for Ukraine isn't via The West's military might, mainly because we didn't want Putin making more bad decisions.

For fucks's sake. NATO pilots are flying F-16s in Ukraine. And according to NATO generals themselves Ukraine would not last more than a week without "support" from the west.
And you absolutely want Putin making "bad desisions". That's why you violated Minsk agreements.

 

[Tammuz]

barbos, why do you think that Russia's neighbors have been so keen on joining NATO? Could it be that Russia has a history of being very aggressive toward its neighbors?

 

[barbos]

barbos, why do you think that Russia's neighbors have been so keen on joining NATO?

They were not.

Could it be that Russia has a history of being very aggressive toward its neighbors?

That's a recent lie. If you look at the press of that time you would see that.

By the way, Russia also tried to join NATO, but was rejected. So much for open doors policy.

 

[bilby]

Russia's inability to advance is undeniable.

We can advance just fine. It's just that it was choosen to fight the war of attrirition.

No sane commander would ever choose to fight a war of attrition if he had the ability to advance.

So I guess it's possible in this case.

 

[barbos]

Russia's inability to advance is undeniable.

We can advance just fine. It's just that it was choosen to fight the war of attrirition.

No sane commander would ever choose to fight a war of attrition if he had the ability to advance.

Well, russians are insane then.
Advancing is expensive. And considering that west wants us to pay more we choose the opposite.
But yeah, Russia can conduct total mobilization and run Ukraine over with 10 million soldiers.
It would not be good for the economy.
We can get 10 million koreans too. Plus 20 millions chinese. What do you have? UK currently have total number of troops which is less that drone operators in russian army

You do realize that Ukraine has total mobilization and Russia doesn't?

 

[barbos]

All this talk about russian army being incompetent. let say it is true, so what?
Russia is still bigger than Ukraine there is no way for Ukraine to win this war which is existential for Russia.
Having said that, all that talk is bullshit. Your government holds you for idiots when they say that russian lose 30 times more than ukrainians.
They literally call their own population idiots.
I think we should concentrate on bombing ukrainian electric grid into stone age

 

[ZiprHead]

Russia is still bigger than Ukraine there is no way for Ukraine to win this war which is existential for Russia.

You need to win this war for Russia to exist??? Russia was doing just fine before your assholes in charge started this.

 

[bilby]

Russia's inability to advance is undeniable.

We can advance just fine. It's just that it was choosen to fight the war of attrirition.

No sane commander would ever choose to fight a war of attrition if he had the ability to advance.

Well, russians are insane then.

Yes, that's what I was getting at. Well done.

Advancing is expensive. And considering that west wants us to pay more Russia is bankrupt we choose the opposite.

FTFY.

But yeah, Russia can conduct total mobilization and run Ukraine over with 10 million soldiers.
It

Only in your dreams.

would not be good for the economy.
We can get 10 million koreans too. Plus 20 millions chinese.

The Chinese are too smart to get involved, and North Koreans are useless half-starved cannon fodder, so they won't help you to advance, any more than your current useless half-starved Rusdian cannon fodder will.

What do you have?

So far, I have contributed a few bucks to various Ukraine support groups. That has apparently been sufficient to force Russia into a stalemate.

UK currently have total number of troops which is less that drone operators in russian army

So what? UK doesn't have a border with either Russia or Ukraine.

You do realize that Ukraine has total mobilization and Russia doesn't?

Russia can't. Your economy can't even handle the current level of mobilisation.

 

[bilby]

All this talk about russian army being incompetent. let say it is true

At last, we agree on something. It's definitely true.

 

[TV and credit cards]

Barbos, you say "Ukraine would not last more than a week without "support" from the west." If the US truly supported Ukraine, Russia in Ukraine would not last more than a week. Is Ukraine doing much worse under Trump than Biden? I was expecting more significant changes in the war when Europe had to pick up what Trump dropped with regards to military assistance.

You also say "We can get 10 million koreans too. Plus 20 millions chinese." But at what cost? Russia paid for those Korean troops. Chinese troops? Good luck with that.

My reading is Russia is struggling more and more to find the cash to finance the war. It is selling off assets, its gold reserves. There will be lasting structural damage to Russia's economy for years to come.