Merged Gaza just launched an unprovoked attack on Israel

[Tigers!]

Israeli settlers killed a Palestinian farmer on his own land, in front of his father. Yes, again

What? Did he resurrect or something?

It's the third time in a month that Israeli settlers in the West Bank have murdered Palestinian farmers working their own land and in front of their families.

This is not justified, of course. But it's in Judea and Samaria, not Gaza. So it's not really what this thread is about.

Ah, an inconvenient truth.

This week, the victim of violent settler-criminals was Mohammed Faraj, 39, who was killed in the family's fields near the settlement of Tekoa.

Not justifying the deadly attack of course, but I think this is noteworthy about this guy:

Mohammed's wife, Arin, is 35 and is pregnant with the couple's sixth child.

Six children at 39. The reason so many Palestinians have so many children is that they are using it as a demographic weapon against Israel, like Yasser Arafat wanted them to.

Historically, farmers have had large families, even those in North America. That seems a more likely reason.

And why would Palestinians in ostensibly Palestinian territory need defense against Israel? It’s a mystery.
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For much the same reason that Jews living in obstensibly Israeli terriority would need defense againat Hamas or Hezbollah. It is indeed a mystery.

 

[laughing dog]

Historically, farmers have had large families, even those in North America. That seems a more likely reason.

And why would Palestinians in ostensibly Palestinian territory need defense against Israel? It’s a mystery.

For much the same reason that Jews living in obstensibly Israeli terriority would need defense againat Hamas or Hezbollah. It is indeed a mystery.

Could you explain how your reply is relevant to a discussion about the size of a Palestinian farmer’s family?

 

[Arctish]

Historically, farmers have had large families, even those in North America. That seems a more likely reason. And why would Palestinians in ostensibly Palestinian territory need defense against Israel? It’s a mystery.

For much the same reason that Jews living in obstensibly Israeli terriority would need defense againat Hamas or Hezbollah. It is indeed a mystery.

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os·ten·si·bly
/əˈsten(t)səblē/

adverb

1. apparently or purportedly, but perhaps not actually.
   "portrayed as a blue-collar type, ostensibly a carpenter"

What is ostensibly Israeli territory isn't genuinely part of Israel when we're talking about the Occupied Territories, no matter how many illegal settlements the hardcore Zionists plant there or how many declarations the right wingers make about what Jehovah gave to Its Chosen People.

Those settlers are living in illegal settlements on stolen land, and the most violent of them are murdering and terrorizing people so they can steal even more.

So who here is willing to denounce terrorists in no uncertain terms?

No mealy-mouthed weaselly words trying to carve out exceptions for certain races or religions, just a simple straightforward declaration that the people who are murdering and terrorizing farmers are murderers and terrorists, and that the poster absolutely does not support them and will not be making excuses for them?

 

[steve_bank]

https://www.cnn.com/2026/04/05/middleeast/iran-war-israeli-solidarity-intl

As Israelis prepared to mark Passover Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu earlier this week delivered a defiant wartime address replete with biblical references of ancient Jewish triumphs over their enemies.

He likened Israel’s strikes on its enemies as the Ten Plagues that God is believed to have inflicted on Egypt to free the Israelites from slavery.

Israel has “changed the Middle East,” he boasted

Zionism. I don't see much difference from the religious rhetoric form Iran.

 

[Tigers!]

Historically, farmers have had large families, even those in North America. That seems a more likely reason.

And why would Palestinians in ostensibly Palestinian territory need defense against Israel? It’s a mystery.

For much the same reason that Jews living in obstensibly Israeli terriority would need defense againat Hamas or Hezbollah. It is indeed a mystery.

Could you explain how your reply is relevant to a discussion about the size of a Palestinian farmer’s family?

You are the one introduced the phrase about Palestinians and defence in post 11,280. Not I. I wonder about its revelancy

 

[Tigers!]

Historically, farmers have had large families, even those in North America. That seems a more likely reason. And why would Palestinians in ostensibly Palestinian territory need defense against Israel? It’s a mystery.

For much the same reason that Jews living in obstensibly Israeli terriority would need defense againat Hamas or Hezbollah. It is indeed a mystery.

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os·ten·si·bly
/əˈsten(t)səblē/

adverb

1. apparently or purportedly, but perhaps not actually.
   "portrayed as a blue-collar type, ostensibly a carpenter"

What is ostensibly Israeli territory isn't genuinely part of Israel when we're talking about the Occupied Territories, no matter how many illegal settlements the hardcore Zionists plant there or how many declarations the right wingers make about what Jehovah gave to Its Chosen People.

Those settlers are living in illegal settlements on stolen land, and the most violent of them are murdering and terrorizing people so they can steal even more.

No argument from me. Those settlements need to stop.

So who here is willing to denounce terrorists in no uncertain terms?

No mealy-mouthed weaselly words trying to carve out exceptions for certain races or religions, just a simple straightforward declaration that the people who are murdering and terrorizing farmers are murderers and terrorists, and that the poster absolutely does not support them and will not be making excuses for them?

So provided you are murdering and terrorising non-farmers that is ok?
I am happy to denounce Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis, <insert favourite terrorist group here> and some Israeli settlers are murderers. Are you?
And before some one jumps in I say some settlers just like you would say some Gazans, Lebanese are guilty but not all.

 

[laughing dog]

Historically, farmers have had large families, even those in North America. That seems a more likely reason.

And why would Palestinians in ostensibly Palestinian territory need defense against Israel? It’s a mystery.

For much the same reason that Jews living in obstensibly Israeli terriority would need defense againat Hamas or Hezbollah. It is indeed a mystery.

Could you explain how your reply is relevant to a discussion about the size of a Palestinian farmer’s family?

You are the one introduced the phrase about Palestinians and defence in post 11,280. Not I. I wonder about its revelancy

I responded to Derec’s crack about the farmers family size. And I completely understand that you wonder about the relevancy of my response to Derek that explains why you cannot explain the relevancy of your post.

Perhaps if you asked yourself why a Palestinian farmer in Palestinian territory would need a demographic weapon against Israel, you’’re wondering might cease.

 

[Derec]

I responded to Derec’s crack about the farmers family size.

Yes. Those birth rates are unsustainable and only explainable as an implementation of Arafat's demographic weapon.

Perhaps if you asked yourself why a Palestinian farmer in Palestinian territory would need a demographic weapon against Israel, you’’re wondering might cease.

Disputed territory. The Green Line is just an armistice line, and final borders are supposed to be negotiated.

Speaking of negotiation, Palestinians are still insisting on the so-called "right of return" into Israel proper. That's where the demographic bomb comes in as an offensive weapon. They want overwhelming numbers because they want to take over all of the Land of Israel.

Also, dude, the possessive pronoun is "your". "You're" is a contraction for "you are", and "you''re" is nothing.

 

[Derec]

This thread is about terrorism, murder, the racism and religious bigotry that inspires it, and the racists and religious bigots who commit it in Israel, Gaza, the West Bank, and increasingly in Lebanon.

Lebanon? Do you mean the indiscriminate rocket attacks by Hezbollah? Or do you mean Israel going after those Hezbollah terrorists? I suspect you condemn the latter, not the former.
Over 3,500 Lebanon targets struck and about 1,000 Hezbollah terrorists killed, IDF says
In reality, the Lebanese state should never have allowed Hezbollah to become as powerful as it got.

So, some kind of Great Replacement strategy?

You could call it that, especially when coupled with the so-called "right of return" that Palestinians still insist on.
Arafat wasn't even coy about it when he called "the womb of the Arab woman" his greatest weapon against Israel.

Every Palestinian with as many children as American families had in the 1960s

More like 1840s, and child mortality was much higher back then too.

is part of the plan to replace the European immigrants and their descendants with native born non-Euro Palestinians?

What are you babbling about? Israelites are native to the Land of Israel. Arabs are native to Arabia.
Many Arabs moved to the Land of Israel during the Ottoman and British Mandate periods. Why do you consider them more native to the land than the Jews?
Even Hamas leaders recognize that Palestinians are not native.

"Who are the Palestinians?", indeed!
But of course, woke Western fauxgressives always pretend they know better.

 

[Derec]

Historically, farmers have had large families, even those in North America. That seems a more likely reason.

Historically, there used to be a high rate of child mortality, and there was a much higher rate of adult mortality than today as well. Many infections were deadly even for young people before antibiotics. That's why people could have large families without the population almost quintupling within a half century.
That is obviously unsustainable. Take the Gaza Strip. Even before the 10/7 massacre against Israelis, the Strip's population rose well beyond its carrying capacity, with for example the Coastal Aquifer being hopelessly overdrawn.
Gaza Strip had a population of just about 400k when Israel took over in 1967. By 2023, the population almost sextupled to 2.3M.
Take this example:
Gaza mom, 21, struggling with 11 kids
There is also a video from an Arab source.
I guess an 18 year old marrying a 14 year old is also fine as long as they are Palestinian? This article is from 2013 and I wonder how the family is doing today.

But do you really think that level of natality is sustainable without seeking Lebensraum outside the Strip, for example in Israel proper?

And why would Palestinians in ostensibly Palestinian territory need defense against Israel? It’s a mystery.

The weapon, as Arafat conceived it, is offensive. They want to push the Jews into the Sea and take over the entire Land of Israel for themselves.
That's what "from the River to the Sea" slogan chanted by Palestinians and their useful idiots in the West means.

 

[Arctish]

Historically, farmers have had large families, even those in North America. That seems a more likely reason. And why would Palestinians in ostensibly Palestinian territory need defense against Israel? It’s a mystery.

For much the same reason that Jews living in obstensibly Israeli terriority would need defense againat Hamas or Hezbollah. It is indeed a mystery.

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os·ten·si·bly
/əˈsten(t)səblē/

adverb

1. apparently or purportedly, but perhaps not actually.
   "portrayed as a blue-collar type, ostensibly a carpenter"

What is ostensibly Israeli territory isn't genuinely part of Israel when we're talking about the Occupied Territories, no matter how many illegal settlements the hardcore Zionists plant there or how many declarations the right wingers make about what Jehovah gave to Its Chosen People.

Those settlers are living in illegal settlements on stolen land, and the most violent of them are murdering and terrorizing people so they can steal even more.

No argument from me. Those settlements need to stop.

So who here is willing to denounce terrorists in no uncertain terms?

No mealy-mouthed weaselly words trying to carve out exceptions for certain races or religions, just a simple straightforward declaration that the people who are murdering and terrorizing farmers are murderers and terrorists, and that the poster absolutely does not support them and will not be making excuses for them?

So provided you are murdering and terrorising non-farmers that is ok?

Of course it's not okay, and I don't think for a second you are unable to figure that out by yourself.

I am happy to denounce Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis, <insert favourite terrorist group here> and some Israeli settlers are murderers. Are you?

I always denounce terrorists and murderers when I hear about them.

I'm not happy that I have to keep repeating those parts of my posts. I get frustrated when it seems people are being deliberately dense, especially when I know I have posted and reposted the same things to them personally on multiple occasions.

And before some one jumps in I say some settlers just like you would say some Gazans, Lebanese are guilty but not all.

I did note that.

 

[laughing dog]

I responded to Derec’s crack about the farmers family size.

Yes. Those birth rates are unsustainable and only explainable as an implementation of Arafat's demographic weapon.

Perhaps to someone devoid of human feeling and knowledge if history.

Perhaps if you asked yourself why a Palestinian farmer in Palestinian territory would need a demographic weapon against Israel, you’’re wondering might cease.

Disputed territory. The Green Line is just an armistice line, and final borders are supposed to be negotiated.

Speaking of negotiation, Palestinians are still insisting on the so-called "right of return" into Israel proper. That's where the demographic bomb comes in as an offensive weapon. They want overwhelming numbers because they want to take over all of the Land of Israel.

And you know that is the reason this murdered farmer and his wife have 5 children and one on the way because…?

Also, dude, the possessive pronoun is "your". "You're" is a contraction for "you are", and "you''re" is nothing.

Feel better?

 

[laughing dog]

Historically, farmers have had large families, even those in North America. That seems a more likely reason.

Historically, there used to be a high rate of child mortality, and there was a much higher rate of adult mortality than today as well. Many infections were deadly even for young people before antibiotics. That's why people could have large families without the population almost quintupling within a half century.
That is obviously unsustainable. Take the Gaza Strip. Even before the 10/7 massacre against Israelis, the Strip's population rose well beyond its carrying capacity, with for example the Coastal Aquifer being hopelessly overdrawn.
Gaza Strip had a population of just about 400k when Israel took over in 1967. By 2023, the population almost sextupled to 2.3M.
Take this example:
Gaza mom, 21, struggling with 11 kids
There is also a video from an Arab source.
I guess an 18 year old marrying a 14 year old is also fine as long as they are Palestinian? This article is from 2013 and I wonder how the family is doing today.

But do you really think that level of natality is sustainable without seeking Lebensraum outside the Strip, for example in Israel proper?

What is your evidence that this family is seeking any more land anywhere?

And why would Palestinians in ostensibly Palestinian territory need defense against Israel? It’s a mystery.

The weapon, as Arafat conceived it, is offensive. They want to push the Jews into the Sea and take over the entire Land of Israel for themselves.
That's what "from the River to the Sea" slogan chanted by Palestinians and their useful idiots in the West means.

Arafat is dead. What evidence do you have that this dead farmer and his wife wanted to push the Jews into the sea?

 

[steve_bank]

Of and by Jews.

AI Overview
Israeli Declaration of Independence – Jewish Foundation
The Israeli Declaration of Independence, issued on May 14, 1948, by David Ben-Gurion in Tel Aviv, proclaimed the establishment of a Jewish state in Eretz-Israel, known as the State of Israel. It cited the historical, biblical, and national rights of the Jewish people to rebuild their national home, and aimed to end Jewish homelessness.

https://www.gov.il/en/pages/declaration-of-establishment-state-of-israel

And so began the conflict over land. Arab coalitions were humiliated in a series of wars against Israel. Intense hatred. The Arabs had their balls cut off.

What we call Palestinians were recruited to fight against Israel,then abandoned by the Arabs.



Iran did not participate in the wars.

Pasetybans fought back as hey could. The Intifada. 1&2

Intifada, Arabic for "shaking off" or "uprising," refers to two major Palestinian revolts against Israeli occupation. The first (1987–1993) was a largely grassroots, nonviolent protest movement that led to the Oslo Accords. The second (2000–2005), or Al-Aqsa Intifada, was far more violent, characterized by terrorism and suicide bombings.

First Intifada - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Second Intifada - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Holocaust and creation of Israel happened before I was born. Not for me to judge what Jews did in Plasticine. But Israel is responsible for treatment of Palestinians.

Israel hides behind being a victim and I do not buy it based on what I read about the history and see.

The oppressed became the oppressor.

 

[Tigers!]

Historically, farmers have had large families, even those in North America. That seems a more likely reason.

And why would Palestinians in ostensibly Palestinian territory need defense against Israel? It’s a mystery.

For much the same reason that Jews living in obstensibly Israeli terriority would need defense againat Hamas or Hezbollah. It is indeed a mystery.

Could you explain how your reply is relevant to a discussion about the size of a Palestinian farmer’s family?

You are the one introduced the phrase about Palestinians and defence in post 11,280. Not I. I wonder about its revelancy

I responded to Derec’s crack about the farmers family size. And I completely understand that you wonder about the relevancy of my response to Derek that explains why you cannot explain the relevancy of your post.

Perhaps if you asked yourself why a Palestinian farmer in Palestinian territory would need a demographic weapon against Israel, you’’re wondering might cease.

If all parties would firstly stay on their own side of borders then sit down and discuss responsibly, maturely their hopes, dreams, fears and aspirations there might come a time when we do not have to read of the incessant conflict in that part of the world.

 

[steve_bank]

Part of the problem is Israel thinks its borders are wherever it says they are.

The other part is the conflict between the Iranian clerics and mostly the Saudi religious monarchy.

AI Overview
Jamal Khashoggi, a prominent Saudi journalist and
Washington Post columnist critical of the Saudi government, was murdered on October 2, 2018, inside the Saudi consulate in Istanbul. A UN report concluded it was a premeditated extrajudicial execution by Saudi agents, which sparked international outcry and directly implicated high-level Saudi officials, including Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman.

The region is a swamp.

 

[laughing dog]

Historically, farmers have had large families, even those in North America. That seems a more likely reason.

And why would Palestinians in ostensibly Palestinian territory need defense against Israel? It’s a mystery.

For much the same reason that Jews living in obstensibly Israeli terriority would need defense againat Hamas or Hezbollah. It is indeed a mystery.

Could you explain how your reply is relevant to a discussion about the size of a Palestinian farmer’s family?

You are the one introduced the phrase about Palestinians and defence in post 11,280. Not I. I wonder about its revelancy

I responded to Derec’s crack about the farmers family size. And I completely understand that you wonder about the relevancy of my response to Derek that explains why you cannot explain the relevancy of your post.

Perhaps if you asked yourself why a Palestinian farmer in Palestinian territory would need a demographic weapon against Israel, you’’re wondering might cease.

If all parties would firstly stay on their own side of borders then sit down and discuss responsibly, maturely their hopes, dreams, fears and aspirations there might come a time when we do not have to read of the incessant conflict in that part of the world.

Naturally. But I wonder what that has to do with a murdered Palestinian farmer in the West Bank and his alleged motives to have 6 children.

 

[bilby]

If all parties would firstly stay on their own side of borders

What borders? Borders exist only on maps, and each party has their own map, and recognises no others.

There are no simple answers, and anyone who thinks there are is part of the problem, rather than part of the solution.

 

[Tigers!]

Historically, farmers have had large families, even those in North America. That seems a more likely reason.

And why would Palestinians in ostensibly Palestinian territory need defense against Israel? It’s a mystery.

For much the same reason that Jews living in obstensibly Israeli terriority would need defense againat Hamas or Hezbollah. It is indeed a mystery.

Could you explain how your reply is relevant to a discussion about the size of a Palestinian farmer’s family?

You are the one introduced the phrase about Palestinians and defence in post 11,280. Not I. I wonder about its revelancy

I responded to Derec’s crack about the farmers family size. And I completely understand that you wonder about the relevancy of my response to Derek that explains why you cannot explain the relevancy of your post.

Perhaps if you asked yourself why a Palestinian farmer in Palestinian territory would need a demographic weapon against Israel, you’’re wondering might cease.

If all parties would firstly stay on their own side of borders then sit down and discuss responsibly, maturely their hopes, dreams, fears and aspirations there might come a time when we do not have to read of the incessant conflict in that part of the world.

Naturally. But I wonder what that has to do with a murdered Palestinian farmer in the West Bank and his alleged motives to have 6 children.

Since I did not bring up a murdered farmer or his alleged motives for 6 children I will pass on that. I am sure others are more motivated than I to discuss with you.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Government approves a record 34 new settlements, as it acts to deepen hold on West Bank

Security cabinet decision constitutes largest number of settlements okayed by any government at one time, brings total number approved by current government to 103

www.timesofisrael.com