Legal definition of woman is based on biological sex, UK supreme court rules

[Playball40]

Why do they constantly conflate men in drag with transgendered people? Is it intentional or are they incapable of thinking beyond that?

Don't forget trans men are just butch lesbians!

 

[laughing dog]

"lol ur dumb what u talkin about i don read words hurr hurr hurr"

Gish gallop.

Was that meant sarcastically or you don't know what words you are saying.

The two situations are not mutually exclusive.

 

[seanie]

A person's sex is an objective material reality.

Sex is binary and immutable (in humans).

And in some circumstances, not all, a person's sex matters more than how they identify.

Sports being a very obvious, though not most important, example.

Sex is a salient category when it comes to some situations, though mostly to the benefit of females.

Which is why so many males don't really give a shit, because of their misogyny.

 

[scombrid]

When the fuck are you people going to do something about the epidemic of Jonathan Elwings in your ranks? You claim to care about women and children but support the TrumGOP and churches full of vitriolic kiddy diddlers.

 

[Emily Lake]

So you don’t want a dick swinging in the women’s room. That’s reasonable. But why support the “bathroom bills” that try to force someone that may not even have a twig and berries to use a men’s bathroom?

Do you think that a male human being who's had their testicles removed is a female? And that because they don't have their bits, they should then be given legal backing to look at naked women and girls without our consent?

How do you propose to determine which man-shaped male has a dick and which man-shaped male doesn't?

Why on earth do you think that women should be obligated to let males of any sort into spaces where we're naked or vulnerable? Why do you think that the desires of males to be affirmed in their appropriation of womanness is more important than the consent, dignity, and safety of women?

Why do you act like all trans are just bullies running around using trans as cover to abuse women?

I don't. I do, however, acknowledge that all transwomen are males, and all transmen are females.

And whether you want to acknowledge it or not... males abuse females across the globe, across time. 98% of rapists are males, and 90% of their victims are females. Nearly all sexual offenses are committed by males. The victims of opportunistic pedophiles are almost entirely female, the victims of preferential pedophiles are more often males... but the pedophiles are almost exclusively male. There are very, very few female sex offenders; of those, most of them offend alongside a male perpetrator.

A male whose inner soul is something that he has decided is "female" based on a collection of stereotypes is no less a male in reality, and they offend at the same rate as other males. You should note that I'm being very generous here - all actual statistics suggest that transgender identified males commit sex offenses at a higher rate than other males.

At the end of the day... giving license for some group of hypothetically special males with inner gendered souls to override female boundaries increases the risk to women and girls. It violates our right to consent - or to withhold consent.

The most fundamental question you should be asking is how women are supposed to tell which male is the dangerous one. And until you have an EXCEPTIONALLY solid and nearly foolproof means of being able to quickly discern which unknown male is safe, it's reckless and careless to give ANY males access to female intimate spaces.

 

[Emily Lake]

Um... I think we have an enormously different idea of what "adequate medical care" means. To me, it definitely does NOT mean destroying the normal pubertal process of a child and amputating healthy body parts in order to fail to treat a mental health issue.

Viscerally, I tend to agree. But as is my habit, I have to extend the applied principle to all possible cases of voluntary self mutilation, chemical alteration etc, even the most minor.
I don’t like nose rings, eyebrow or tongue piercings, or even most tattoos, and they all carry certain risks. I would encourage kids to abstain from those behaviors, and would not agree to pay for them as a parent, at least while the kid is under age. Same for “gender therapy” though I know people who have trans kids … I would have to experience whatever pressures came to bear upon them to pass judgment, but as I write this - no way José. I think everyone has attributes that mostly associate with both genders, but there are so many advantages to conformity. Of course I am assuming the same comfort level with traditional gender roles that I enjoy. So I don’t pass judgment on parents or kids that make what I see as bad choices. It’s THEIR choice and I don’t appreciate the abridgement of others’ rights to decide stuff.

There are some key distinctions here though. Nose rings, piercings, even tattoos generally don't interfere with that person's ability to live a healthy fully functional life. They're all superficial - the worst impact they have is that some people are going to judge them for looking like a pincushion, or they'll have a rough time getting an office job when they've got "fuck the police" tattooed across their forehead. Some people will regret those childhood decisions, but no actual injury results from it.

On the other hand... chemically interrupting puberty has long-term health impacts. Cross-sex hormones have long-term health impacts. When you give a pubertal child "blockers", it interrupts an evolutionary process, and it frequently results in sterility and the loss of sexual function. As in, young boys given blockers will end up stuck with undersized non-functional testes that don't drop away from the body, and a child-sized penis. They don't develop the ability to experience sexual pleasure or orgasm. The blockers interrupt the accretion of bone density that is necessary to lead a health adult life, creating osteoporosis in youth - and once the growth plates close, that density will never accrete to appropriate levels.

Binders deform ribs and prevent proper breathing. Mastectomies remove the ability to produce milk and potentially breast feed. Testosterone destroys ova, and thins the vaginal walls. Estrogen increases the risk of stroke in males.

There are a LOT of very serious health risks involved in medically treating children with gender dysphoria.

The worst part of it is that these interventions don't improve long-term mental health. They don't reduce the rate of suicidal ideation, self-harm, depression, or anxiety disorders.

And for the most part, neither parents not children have a full understanding of what they're "choosing" to do. It's not truly informed consent when the 15 year old has no realistic idea whether they might want kids when they're grown up, or if they might someday want to know what an orgasm feels like, or if they might want to live a life where they're not entirely dependent on drugs.

How would you know they don't improve long term mental health?? They actually DO REDUCE THE RATE OF SUICIDAL IDEATION et al. And you are speaking out your asshole claiming "parents don't have a full understanding of what they are 'choosing to do'" You sound like an anti-vaxxer nutjob. My TG son began hormones at 16 - do not tell me that we didn't understand. We had the support of six, count them SIX healthcare professionals, ranging from the pediatrician to the endocrinologist. Don't PRETEND to understand ONE BIT what it is like in reality for a PARENT of a transgendered child. AND DON'T YOU DARE try and tell me that the GOVT and politicians know what's BEST for my child. Affirmative care SAVES LIVES, including the life of my child.

Study finds no link between medical gender reassignment and improved mental health among young people

An extensive register-based study conducted in Finland has found an increase in severe mental health problems among some adolescents and young adults who have undergone medical gender reassignment (GR). According to the research, young people who underwent gender identity assessments with the...

medicalxpress.com

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/apa.70533

Transgender individuals at greater risk of mental health problems

Correction: The article “Reduction in Mental Health Treatment Utilization Among Transgender Individuals After Gender-Affirming Surgeries: A Total Population Study,” published in The American Journal of Psychiatry on Oct. 4, 2019, has been corrected following a review of the statistical...

news.ki.se

Correction of a Key Study: No Evidence of “Gender-Affirming” Surgeries Improving Mental Health

Allowing scientific debate in transgender medicine improves evidence basis

segm.org

Long-Term Follow-Up of Transsexual Persons Undergoing Sex Reassignment Surgery: Cohort Study in Sweden - PMC

The treatment for transsexualism is sex reassignment, including hormonal treatment and surgery aimed at making the person's body as congruent with the opposite sex as possible. There is a dearth of long term, follow-up studies after sex ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

A New Study Challenges the Mental-Health Claims of “Gender-Affirming Care”

Hong Kong researchers found that “affirming” surgeries and hormones yielded no significant improvements in depression and anxiety.

www.city-journal.org

 

[Emily Lake]

When the fuck are you people going to do something about the epidemic of Jonathan Elwings in your ranks? You claim to care about women and children but support the TrumGOP and churches full of vitriolic kiddy diddlers.

I don't support any of those things. Go yell at someone else.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

A person's sex is an objective material reality.

Sex is binary and immutable (in humans).

And in some circumstances, not all, a person's sex matters more than how they identify.

Sports being a very obvious, though not most important, example.

Sex is a salient category when it comes to some situations, though mostly to the benefit of females.

Which is why so many males don't really give a shit, because of their misogyny.

I find it funny how men that don't generally support women would have the balls to make that argument.

 

[Playball40]

Um... I think we have an enormously different idea of what "adequate medical care" means. To me, it definitely does NOT mean destroying the normal pubertal process of a child and amputating healthy body parts in order to fail to treat a mental health issue.

Viscerally, I tend to agree. But as is my habit, I have to extend the applied principle to all possible cases of voluntary self mutilation, chemical alteration etc, even the most minor.
I don’t like nose rings, eyebrow or tongue piercings, or even most tattoos, and they all carry certain risks. I would encourage kids to abstain from those behaviors, and would not agree to pay for them as a parent, at least while the kid is under age. Same for “gender therapy” though I know people who have trans kids … I would have to experience whatever pressures came to bear upon them to pass judgment, but as I write this - no way José. I think everyone has attributes that mostly associate with both genders, but there are so many advantages to conformity. Of course I am assuming the same comfort level with traditional gender roles that I enjoy. So I don’t pass judgment on parents or kids that make what I see as bad choices. It’s THEIR choice and I don’t appreciate the abridgement of others’ rights to decide stuff.

There are some key distinctions here though. Nose rings, piercings, even tattoos generally don't interfere with that person's ability to live a healthy fully functional life. They're all superficial - the worst impact they have is that some people are going to judge them for looking like a pincushion, or they'll have a rough time getting an office job when they've got "fuck the police" tattooed across their forehead. Some people will regret those childhood decisions, but no actual injury results from it.

On the other hand... chemically interrupting puberty has long-term health impacts. Cross-sex hormones have long-term health impacts. When you give a pubertal child "blockers", it interrupts an evolutionary process, and it frequently results in sterility and the loss of sexual function. As in, young boys given blockers will end up stuck with undersized non-functional testes that don't drop away from the body, and a child-sized penis. They don't develop the ability to experience sexual pleasure or orgasm. The blockers interrupt the accretion of bone density that is necessary to lead a health adult life, creating osteoporosis in youth - and once the growth plates close, that density will never accrete to appropriate levels.

Binders deform ribs and prevent proper breathing. Mastectomies remove the ability to produce milk and potentially breast feed. Testosterone destroys ova, and thins the vaginal walls. Estrogen increases the risk of stroke in males.

There are a LOT of very serious health risks involved in medically treating children with gender dysphoria.

The worst part of it is that these interventions don't improve long-term mental health. They don't reduce the rate of suicidal ideation, self-harm, depression, or anxiety disorders.

And for the most part, neither parents not children have a full understanding of what they're "choosing" to do. It's not truly informed consent when the 15 year old has no realistic idea whether they might want kids when they're grown up, or if they might someday want to know what an orgasm feels like, or if they might want to live a life where they're not entirely dependent on drugs.

How would you know they don't improve long term mental health?? They actually DO REDUCE THE RATE OF SUICIDAL IDEATION et al. And you are speaking out your asshole claiming "parents don't have a full understanding of what they are 'choosing to do'" You sound like an anti-vaxxer nutjob. My TG son began hormones at 16 - do not tell me that we didn't understand. We had the support of six, count them SIX healthcare professionals, ranging from the pediatrician to the endocrinologist. Don't PRETEND to understand ONE BIT what it is like in reality for a PARENT of a transgendered child. AND DON'T YOU DARE try and tell me that the GOVT and politicians know what's BEST for my child. Affirmative care SAVES LIVES, including the life of my child.

Study finds no link between medical gender reassignment and improved mental health among young people

An extensive register-based study conducted in Finland has found an increase in severe mental health problems among some adolescents and young adults who have undergone medical gender reassignment (GR). According to the research, young people who underwent gender identity assessments with the...

medicalxpress.com

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/apa.70533

Transgender individuals at greater risk of mental health problems

Correction: The article “Reduction in Mental Health Treatment Utilization Among Transgender Individuals After Gender-Affirming Surgeries: A Total Population Study,” published in The American Journal of Psychiatry on Oct. 4, 2019, has been corrected following a review of the statistical...

news.ki.se

Correction of a Key Study: No Evidence of “Gender-Affirming” Surgeries Improving Mental Health

Allowing scientific debate in transgender medicine improves evidence basis

segm.org

Long-Term Follow-Up of Transsexual Persons Undergoing Sex Reassignment Surgery: Cohort Study in Sweden - PMC

The treatment for transsexualism is sex reassignment, including hormonal treatment and surgery aimed at making the person's body as congruent with the opposite sex as possible. There is a dearth of long term, follow-up studies after sex ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

A New Study Challenges the Mental-Health Claims of “Gender-Affirming Care”

Hong Kong researchers found that “affirming” surgeries and hormones yielded no significant improvements in depression and anxiety.

www.city-journal.org

And I can find JUST AS MANY, more even, that say the opposite. Unless you are living it, it's really NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS

 

[Emily Lake]

I consider it my business to speak out against the sterilization of gay, autistic, and sexually abused youth. I consider it my business to oppose eugenics experiments on children.

 

[Bomb#20]

A person's sex is an objective <snip> because of their misogyny.

I find it funny how men that don't generally support women would have the balls to make that argument.

That's an ad hominem. Also, your inference that seanie is being inconsistent is a hasty generalization fallacy.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

A person's sex is an objective <snip> because of their misogyny.

I find it funny how men that don't generally support women would have the balls to make that argument.

That's an ad hominem.

The Venn diagram of people who don't support transgender rights (recognize that they even exist) and women sports is quite overlapped.

The Venn diagram of people whining about how Marvel went "woke" and don't support transgender rights is nearly a single circle.

Their feigned support of women is tiresome.

Also, your inference that seanie is being inconsistent is a hasty generalization fallacy.

Only if it is based on a post or two.

 

[TSwizzle]

A person's sex is an objective <snip> because of their misogyny.

I find it funny how men that don't generally support women would have the balls to make that argument.

That's an ad hominem.

The Venn diagram of people who don't support transgender rights (recognize that they even exist) and women sports is quite overlapped.

What are you actually talking about? Who are you talking about? Who are these people? No one on here certainly, so who?

The Venn diagram of people whining about how Marvel went "woke" and don't support transgender rights is nearly a single circle.

lol, male bovine excrement.

Their feigned support of women is tiresome.

What are you talking about?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

A person's sex is an objective <snip> because of their misogyny.

I find it funny how men that don't generally support women would have the balls to make that argument.

That's an ad hominem.

The Venn diagram of people who don't support transgender rights (recognize that they even exist) and women sports is quite overlapped.

What are you actually talking about? Who are you talking about? Who are these people? No one on here certainly, so who?

Most certainly some here, but generally those in the public at large. Are you contesting that this isn't even a thing? Oh wait... it wasn't reported likewise by The Daily Mail or NY Post, therefore you haven't been programmed to think as such.

The Venn diagram of people whining about how Marvel went "woke" and don't support transgender rights is nearly a single circle.

lol, male bovine excrement.

HAW!!!!

 

[TSwizzle]

A person's sex is an objective <snip> because of their misogyny.

I find it funny how men that don't generally support women would have the balls to make that argument.

That's an ad hominem.

The Venn diagram of people who don't support transgender rights (recognize that they even exist) and women sports is quite overlapped.

What are you actually talking about? Who are you talking about? Who are these people? No one on here certainly, so who?

Most certainly some here,

Who?!!

but generally those in the public at large.

Who?! Who are these people trampling the on the rights of transgender people and what rights are you talking about?

 

[scombrid]

When the fuck are you people going to do something about the epidemic of Jonathan Elwings in your ranks? You claim to care about women and children but support the TrumGOP and churches full of vitriolic kiddy diddlers.

I don't support any of those things. Go yell at someone else.

The answer is never. The crocodile tears and pearl clutching duplicitousness will continue until the SAVE Act makes Republicans stop lying about election integrity.

 

[scombrid]

I consider it my business to speak out against the sterilization of gay, autistic, and sexually abused youth. I consider it my business to oppose eugenics experiments on children.

Sure Jan.

 

[ZiprHead]

Who?! Who are these people trampling the on the rights of transgender people and what rights are you talking about?

 

[Playball40]

I consider it my business to speak out against the sterilization of gay, autistic, and sexually abused youth. I consider it my business to oppose eugenics experiments on children.

Since that's not happening, you should stay in your fucking lane.

 

[Politesse]

I consider it my business to speak out against the sterilization of gay, autistic, and sexually abused youth. I consider it my business to oppose eugenics experiments on children.

On behalf of the queer community, I would like to thank you for constructing such a noble if imaginary justification for our persecution.