Yet another war, this time with Iran

[Harry Bosch]

Ukrainians decide to overthrow their Russian puppet leader.

Says who?

The sad thing about it is that it is Russia that has pushed Ukraine towards the west. Again, your knowledge of the area is lacking. Believe it or not, before 2014, Ukraine was essentially 50-50. Half the country preferred the west; the other side preferred Russia. But the vast majority wanted peace and prosperity. The west provides help, trade, support, and friendship (for the most part). What does Russia do? Invade. Kill. Rape. Kidnap 10,000 children. Steal. Loot. In every democratic vote after 2014, the Russian candidate got his assed hammered. There's no doubt that after this war is over, and Ukraine has a vote, the western leaning candidates will clean up. That is your fault. If the "chess-masters" running Russia don't realize this, they are absolute fools. When you attack a country; you create enemies. Nato didn't do this; your side did.

 

[ZiprHead]

Paid the rabble leaders.

Proof of this, please.

 

[ZiprHead]

Well, I'm sure our CIA spooks were meddling in the Ukraine before 2014 just like the Russians were. But that doesn't justify invading a country. We all meddle in other countries.

Now you accept. They should not. When they do, countries will react according to their assessment of the situation.

Like Ukraine did?

 

[ZiprHead]

Of course they will, and some of those possible reactions are murderous and psychotic. That you refuse to recognize them as murderous and psychotic speaks volumes.

Why should I judge other people? What I judge will be just my own opinion. Both the parties may have their reason to act that way.

WTF??? You judge other people almost constantly. How you come to your silly conclusions is what perplexes the rest of us.

 

[aupmanyav]

Especially if he does it one bite at a time. Georgia, Crimea, Donbas, a bit of Moldova, etc.

Same case as in Ukraine.
"In 2000, Vladimir Putin became Russia's president, while Georgia experienced the Rose Revolution in 2003 and moved towards forging closer ties with the European Union and NATO. Consequently, Georgia–Russia relations deteriorated rapidly by 2006 and spiraled into a diplomatic crisis by 2008."
Ignore Russian concerns at the instigation of NATO and get into a war. Some nations need to be wiser to keep a balasnce.

 

[barbos]

The sad thing about it is that it is Russia that has pushed Ukraine towards the west. Again, your knowledge of the area is lacking.

That's fucking rich coming from you.
Have you ever talked to any ukrainians?
let alone western ones.

 

[aupmanyav]

If I'm to trust my Iranian friends. Iran is a culture where 25% is a rabid Islamist who doesn't believe in reality, but trust the regime. They're basically conspiracy theorists. And 75% couldn't possibly hate the regime any more.

Same for Pakistan also. People hate military, the current government and the Imams, but they cannot do anything about it. They admire Modi, Yogi, and the progress that India has made; wish that Pakistan too had rulers like them. Given the choice, majority will like to merge back into India.

 

[aupmanyav]

Proof of this, please.

What proof? Paid in cash, cryptocurrency or in Panama accounts.

Like Ukraine did?

Ukraine or Russia. Action is always accompanied by a reaction. NATO wanted a proxy war, they got it.

WTF??? You judge other people almost constantly. How you come to your silly conclusions is what perplexes the rest of us.

I am not judging any one. I am analyzing what brought these conflicts in my own way. My only concern is when these happenings affect India.
US-Iran war affect India. I have no problem with Trump's US-India policies. He has a right to make policies for US.
If lawful, I accept them gladly (sending illegal migrants back to India, changing policies regarding employment of Indians in US, etc.).
Indians will find other places for work or work in India. Tariffs were not lawful.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Man, I need to freshen up my geography. I always thought Ukraine was in Europe and not adjacent to Iran. Nor had much of anything at all to do with Iran.

 

[aupmanyav]

Man, I need to freshen up my geography. I always thought Ukraine was in Europe and not adjacent to Iran. Nor had much of anything at all to do with Iran.

The common factor in these conflicts is US/NATO.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Man, I need to freshen up my geography. I always thought Ukraine was in Europe and not adjacent to Iran. Nor had much of anything at all to do with Iran.

The common factor in these conflicts is US/NATO.

NATO has explicitly held back on Iran. This isn't even "the US". This is Trump... and the idiots that elected him (and Netanyahu). Most of Trump's top advisors were against this. But they are fucking cowards and wouldn't speak out against, except VP Vance, of all people. The US really hasn't had a President wield power like this unilaterally in its history. There are periods where the Federal Government has overstepped bounds, this is almost just the President (and what PAC / far right organizations trying to get their way).

 

[Harry Bosch]

Man, I need to freshen up my geography. I always thought Ukraine was in Europe and not adjacent to Iran. Nor had much of anything at all to do with Iran.

The common factor in these conflicts is US/NATO.

Amigo: you’ve confused these conflicts a couple times. NATO does not support the Iran war. No European troops anywhere near Iran. Two completely separate conflicts.

 

[barbos]

Man, I need to freshen up my geography. I always thought Ukraine was in Europe and not adjacent to Iran. Nor had much of anything at all to do with Iran.

Ukraine is not a member of NATO either.

 

[barbos]

Amigo: you’ve confused these conflicts a couple times. NATO does not support the Iran war.

Cool, then where are the EU sanctions against US for unprovoked invasion of Iran?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Amigo: you’ve confused these conflicts a couple times. NATO does not support the Iran war.

Cool, then where are the EU sanctions against US for unprovoked invasion of Iran?

Western sanctions amongst themselves is generally in the form of, "you are paying for this yourself".

 

[barbos]

Amigo: you’ve confused these conflicts a couple times. NATO does not support the Iran war.

Cool, then where are the EU sanctions against US for unprovoked invasion of Iran?

Western sanctions amongst themselves is generally in the form of, "you are paying for this yourself".

That stinks double standards.

 

[ZiprHead]

Especially if he does it one bite at a time. Georgia, Crimea, Donbas, a bit of Moldova, etc.

Same case as in Ukraine.
"In 2000, Vladimir Putin became Russia's president, while Georgia experienced the Rose Revolution in 2003 and moved towards forging closer ties with the European Union and NATO. Consequently, Georgia–Russia relations deteriorated rapidly by 2006 and spiraled into a diplomatic crisis by 2008."
Ignore Russian concerns at the instigation of NATO and get into a war. Some nations need to be wiser to keep a balasnce.

I suppose if your next door neighbor didn't like your friends you would throw your friends under the bus for your neighbor.

 

[ZiprHead]

Proof of this, please.

What proof? Paid in cash, cryptocurrency or in Panama accounts.

Like Ukraine did?

Ukraine or Russia. Action is always accompanied by a reaction. NATO wanted a proxy war, they got it.

WTF??? You judge other people almost constantly. How you come to your silly conclusions is what perplexes the rest of us.

I am not judging any one. I am analyzing what brought these conflicts in my own way.

That's your first problem, right there.

My only concern is when these happenings affect India.
US-Iran war affect India. I have no problem with Trump's US-India policies. He has a right to make policies for US.
If lawful, I accept them gladly (sending illegal migrants back to India, changing policies regarding employment of Indians in US, etc.).
Indians will find other places for work or work in India. Tariffs were not lawful.

Trump is an idiot. He has no respect for laws.

 

[ZiprHead]

Man, I need to freshen up my geography. I always thought Ukraine was in Europe and not adjacent to Iran. Nor had much of anything at all to do with Iran.

Ukraine is not a member of NATO either.

If they were Putin would have left Ukraine alone.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Man, I need to freshen up my geography. I always thought Ukraine was in Europe and not adjacent to Iran. Nor had much of anything at all to do with Iran.

Ukraine is not a member of NATO either.

Holy crap! We’re making some progress here! Yes Ukraine is not in NATO and there are no nato troops in Ukraine.