Yet another war, this time with Iran

[TV and credit cards]

Trump cancels US strikes in Iran and suggests agreement is close​

How many times has he said this? Every other day for the last three months?

https://www.cnn.com/2026/06/11/world/live-news/iran-war-trump-israel-hnk?post-id=cmq9rzj3d00003b6u31c0otbl

Just two hours ago he was threatening to take Kharg island.

https://www.cnn.com/2026/06/11/world/live-news/iran-war-trump-israel-hnk?post-id=cmq9pm6qd00003b6tnhcru496

Who on Earth would put any credibility to what Trump says?

TACO is just plain old FOS.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

.. but attacks on government forces isn't terrorism.

It is rebellion. That is not the way in a democracy. Democratic governments will be correct to crush it. Non-democratic governments also will crush it.

It is not rebellion, it is resistance against invasion.

Putin made Russia attack Ukraine. Putin is someone.

There are other songs with the same tune. Netanyahu made Israel to attack Gaza. Trump made US to attack Iran.

Are you not aware of 10/7?

Does 10/7 not ring a bell?

It does, if we forget the earlier history.

If you want to look at history: Israel declared it's existence, everyone attacked.

We already bled Russia into collapse once. Without firing a shot. Why would we want an unnecessary shooting war?

Correction. You bled USSR. Russia is still there with 4,900 war-heads.

The government collapsed. That's victory.

Exactly. Russian nukes are not good. Loose nukes are much worse.

That should not worry Russia. They hold a lot. A few going astray do not matter.

Reality check time! You want to see a mushroom cloud on Delhi??

Yugoslavia destroyed itself. It was multiple groups forced together, when the control collapsed things turned brutal. The west wasn't able to ignore the atrocities so we finally did something about it. Look at your on-again-off-again war with Pakistan--groups that didn't want to coexist, remove the iron hand that was keeping them together.

Even if there was a turmoil in Yugoslavia, what right US and Europe had to interfere in it? It was their internal matter.

The genocide got on the nightly news. People insisted that it be stopped. Why are you ok with genocide?

2.2/100k? You have a rape reporting problem. Looks like most countries have a rape reporting problem.

Nice dodge. "Your statistics are wrong. My guess is correct." I don't think there is any place in the world, where all rapes are reported. I cited an independent source.

Independent? That's going to be Indian government data. And it's irrelevant, anyway--I'm not saying they're lying, I'm saying most of your rapes are not being reported. Look at that table--there isn't really that big a difference in rape rates between countries.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Yup, same reason Islam hates us. Our system is more attractive, they can't compete. So they have to demonize us.

In prosperity, some of them can compete with you. But it is the common Christian and Islamic trait to be expansionist. "Make every one accept the good news", "Make every one accept the mission of Muhammad", whatever be the method. That creates all the problems. Systems are immaterial. Do you find the current US system attractive? Afghans have no problem with Taliban system, they are happy.

So happy they are selling their daughters?

Afghanistan humanitarian crisis: Ghor's starving families

In Afghanistan today, a staggering three in four people cannot meet their basic needs.

www.bbc.com

 

[southernhybrid]

Has anyone mentioned yet that Trump had the military wipe out a water supply that a town of about 20,000 people depended on and the temps in the area are extremely high? The article I read read said that it's no known if was done deliberately or not. I think it was done on purpose based on the felon's past threats. This is a war crime, but then this entire war was an unnecessary war that could easily lead to a much larger war.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

You mean only Raul Castro's business? Because fuck the people of Cuba. Why should they have a say in their own destiny?!?

What is US doing in Pakistan? Supporting a Failed Marshal and one of the top corrupt governments in the world. Do people of Pakistan have a say in their own destiny?

We want to ensure their bombs do not fall into the hands of the faction in their government that supports terrorism. You're a likely target, you should care.

He didn't ask whether be should care; He asked whether the US should be overruling the opinions of the people of Pakistan.

Your position seems to be that they should, because the US wants to keep the terrorist faction(s) out of power; But this presupposes two things not in evidence:

1) That the Pakistani people do NOT want to keep the terrorist faction(s) out of power; and

2) That the US is competent to keep the terrorist faction(s) out of power, and that her intervention (no matter how well intentioned) won't make things worse, rather than better.

To the extent that 1 is true, 2 becomes far more likely to be false.

The Pax Americana differs from the Pax Britannica that preceeded it in a few ways - The US is a less "hands on" world hegemon than was the British Empire, and this makes her both more dependent on diplomatic, rather than military, influence; And simultaneously less competent in diplomatic activities, because they are less directly embedded in the countries they wish to influence, and as a consequence are less aware of the vitally important subtleties of public opinion in those countries.

Should we not even try?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

You mean only Raul Castro's business? Because fuck the people of Cuba. Why should they have a say in their own destiny?!?

What is US doing in Pakistan? Supporting a Failed Marshal and one of the top corrupt governments in the world. Do people of Pakistan have a say in their own destiny?

We want to ensure their bombs do not fall into the hands of the faction in their government that supports terrorism. You're a likely target, you should care.

That’s news to me. When did the government of Pakistan stop supporting terrorists?

There are two factions in Pakistan.

One favors peaceful coexistence, one favors spreading their brand of Islam via the gun. The peaceful ones have control but it's shaky enough they can't truly keep the warmongers in check. They were attempting to direct the warmongers to Afghanistan, but now they're finding that such an approach backfires.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Well... The toppling of the Taleban (by the western coalition)

There is only one problem, that is the fact that it was you (the western coalition) who installed The Taliban in the first place.

Nope, although many like to pretend this.

The reality is that the Taliban are the creation of Pakistan, we stopped backing the rebels when they won. Some of them didn't like sharing power and lead a second takeover of Afghanistan.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I want to see the US adopt this policy. Russia threatens to nuke countries almost every single day.

Which means US has not agreed to NFU and has kept its options open. Has Russia nuked any country?

Look at the missiles.

US: solid fueled.

Russia: mostly liquid fueled.

Liquid fueled missiles are not second strike capable, the weapons say doctrine is first use.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Has anyone mentioned yet that Trump had the military wipe out a water supply that a town of about 20,000 people depended on and the temps in the area are extremely high? The article I read read said that it's no known if was done deliberately or not. I think it was done on purpose based on the felon's past threats. This is a war crime, but then this entire war was an unnecessary war that could easily lead to a much larger war.

Don't be so willing to trust what Iran says. It's a swimming pool's worth of water. Iran even admits there were multiple strikes. Clearly the strikes hit something else and water tanks caught some debris.

 

[barbos]

Well... The toppling of the Taleban (by the western coalition)

There is only one problem, that is the fact that it was you (the western coalition) who installed The Taliban in the first place.

Nope, although many like to pretend this.

The reality is that the Taliban are the creation of Pakistan, we stopped backing the rebels when they won. Some of them didn't like sharing power and lead a second takeover of Afghanistan.

Taliban is your creation, albeit not direct but is your creature. You decided create problem for Russia and it resulted in Taliban and eventually 9-11

 

[barbos]

The genocide got on the nightly news.

Of course it did, Your Regime made sure it did, does not matter whether it was real or not.

 

[crazyfingers]

Don't be so willing to trust what Iran says.

Nothing Iran says can be trusted.
Nothing the Trump administration says can be trusted

It's a shitty situation. Only a free press can tell us what's likely true.

But Trump says that the free press is the enemy of the people. I say that Trump is the enemy of the people.

 

[barbos]

Don't be so willing to trust what Iran says.

Nothing Iran says can be trusted.
Nothing the Trump administration says can be trusted

It's a shitty situation. Only a free press can tell us what's likely true.

But Trump says that the free press is the enemy of the people. I say that Trump is the enemy of the people.

according to LP you can trust US. US has never done anything even remotely bad.

 

[bilby]

Has Russia nuked any country?

Yes. Mostly Russia and Kazakhstan.

 

[bilby]

You mean only Raul Castro's business? Because fuck the people of Cuba. Why should they have a say in their own destiny?!?

What is US doing in Pakistan? Supporting a Failed Marshal and one of the top corrupt governments in the world. Do people of Pakistan have a say in their own destiny?

We want to ensure their bombs do not fall into the hands of the faction in their government that supports terrorism. You're a likely target, you should care.

He didn't ask whether be should care; He asked whether the US should be overruling the opinions of the people of Pakistan.

Your position seems to be that they should, because the US wants to keep the terrorist faction(s) out of power; But this presupposes two things not in evidence:

1) That the Pakistani people do NOT want to keep the terrorist faction(s) out of power; and

2) That the US is competent to keep the terrorist faction(s) out of power, and that her intervention (no matter how well intentioned) won't make things worse, rather than better.

To the extent that 1 is true, 2 becomes far more likely to be false.

The Pax Americana differs from the Pax Britannica that preceeded it in a few ways - The US is a less "hands on" world hegemon than was the British Empire, and this makes her both more dependent on diplomatic, rather than military, influence; And simultaneously less competent in diplomatic activities, because they are less directly embedded in the countries they wish to influence, and as a consequence are less aware of the vitally important subtleties of public opinion in those countries.

Should we not even try?

Not unless you can do so without making things worse, no.

We all know which road is paved with good intentions.

Be competent, or butt out.

 

[bilby]

I want to see the US adopt this policy. Russia threatens to nuke countries almost every single day.

Which means US has not agreed to NFU and has kept its options open. Has Russia nuked any country?

Look at the missiles.

US: solid fueled.

Russia: mostly liquid fueled.

Liquid fueled missiles are not second strike capable, the weapons say doctrine is first use.

That assumes competence not in evidence.

Liquid fuel just says the designers copied the German A4.

 

[DrZoidberg]

You mean only Raul Castro's business? Because fuck the people of Cuba. Why should they have a say in their own destiny?!?

What is US doing in Pakistan? Supporting a Failed Marshal and one of the top corrupt governments in the world. Do people of Pakistan have a say in their own destiny?

We want to ensure their bombs do not fall into the hands of the faction in their government that supports terrorism. You're a likely target, you should care.

That’s news to me. When did the government of Pakistan stop supporting terrorists?

There are two factions in Pakistan.

One favors peaceful coexistence, one favors spreading their brand of Islam via the gun. The peaceful ones have control but it's shaky enough they can't truly keep the warmongers in check. They were attempting to direct the warmongers to Afghanistan, but now they're finding that such an approach backfires.

There's also the Pakistani Taleban. It's a different organisation from the Afghan Taleban. The Afghan Taleban is trying to distance themselves from the Pakistani Taleban becasue they're trying to come off as serious statesmen. The Western press does not differentiate between these. Even though they are different, have completely different power structures and are becoming increasingly different ideologically.

 

[Tigers!]

You mean only Raul Castro's business? Because fuck the people of Cuba. Why should they have a say in their own destiny?!?

What is US doing in Pakistan? Supporting a Failed Marshal and one of the top corrupt governments in the world. Do people of Pakistan have a say in their own destiny?

We want to ensure their bombs do not fall into the hands of the faction in their government that supports terrorism. You're a likely target, you should care.

That’s news to me. When did the government of Pakistan stop supporting terrorists?

There are two factions in Pakistan.

One favors peaceful coexistence, one favors spreading their brand of Islam via the gun. The peaceful ones have control but it's shaky enough they can't truly keep the warmongers in check. They were attempting to direct the warmongers to Afghanistan, but now they're finding that such an approach backfires.

There's also the Pakistani Taleban. It's a different organisation from the Afghan Taleban. The Afghan Taleban is trying to distance themselves from the Pakistani Taleban becasue they're trying to come off as serious statesmen. The Western press does not differentiate between these. Even though they are different, have completely different power structures and are becoming increasingly different ideologically.

The Afghan-Pakistan war is still going.

 

[southernhybrid]

Has anyone mentioned yet that Trump had the military wipe out a water supply that a town of about 20,000 people depended on and the temps in the area are extremely high? The article I read read said that it's no known if was done deliberately or not. I think it was done on purpose based on the felon's past threats. This is a war crime, but then this entire war was an unnecessary war that could easily lead to a much larger war.

Don't be so willing to trust what Iran says. It's a swimming pool's worth of water. Iran even admits there were multiple strikes. Clearly the strikes hit something else and water tanks caught some debris.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/10/...e_code=1.plA.3OME.o9-xSjCM1BH_&smid=url-share

The New York Times doesn't make a claim without verifying the evidence, so all things considered, including the fact that my favorite source of news has won more Pulitzer Prizes for accurate reporting, I think there was enough evidence that this water supply in this small Iranian city is true. The Times didn't make the claim that it was targeted on purpose, but if it was, it wound't surprise me. It if wasn't done on purpose, it was careless to hit a civilian source of water. The article is one I'm sharing so you can read the rest if interested.

Iran’s state broadcaster reported that U.S. military strikes hit water facilities in the south of the country on Wednesday, damaging two concrete tanks and cutting off water supplies for thousands of residents.

Video published by IRIB, the state broadcaster, and verified by The New York Times, showed a damaged concrete structure with a collapsed roof near the city of Kuhestak in Sirik county in Hormozgan province, on the coast of the Strait of Hormuz.

IRIB said that the facility was a water tank. The Times could not independently verify that claim or what caused the damage. The broadcaster later reported that services had been restored within 12 hours.

The IRIB report was published hours after U.S. Central Command, which oversees American forces in the Middle East, said it had conducted strikes in southern Iran in response to the downing of a U.S. Army Apache helicopter on Monday.
Video

The structure is near the city of Kuhestak. Text painted on the hilltop structure reads: “Water is the pulse of life.” The most recent photographs available from Planet Labs, a satellite imagery company, showed the structure was undamaged in early January.

During the summer months, Hormozgan province can rank among the hottest places on earth, with temperatures occasionally reaching 122 degrees.

In Kuhestak, the heat hit 96 degrees on Wednesday.

In the statement, Mr. Hamzehpour described the temperature as “unbearable” without water. Emergency crews were racing to reestablish water supplies, he said, adding that the authorities had dispatched mobile tankers to supply drinking water to the nearby villages in the interim.

 

[aupmanyav]

Yes you are correct. The US has not adopted the NFU (I already said that). No Russia hasn’t nuked any country; but they routinely threaten to.

That is diplomatic talk. How many times Trump has threatened Iran with oblivion and destruction of Iranian culture?
We were expecting American bombardment of Iran yesterday night. Then he says deal is ready, only signing remains.