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The Remarkable Progress of Renewable Energy

Bill to Allow Plug-In Solar Panels Signed Into Law
Plug-in solar is common in Europe. For example, in Germany, approximately 4 million households have installed plug-in solar. With this law, Colorado joins Utah in becoming early adopters of safe, reliable, plug-in solar in the United States.
Something like half of US states states are now working on legislation for allowing such systems.

The Rise of Plug-In Solar: How States Can Reduce Costs and Streamline Clean Energy Adoption | National Caucus of Environmental Legislators
Plug-in Solar systems are small panels that connect to a standard wall outlet. They require no professional installation, no permits, and no utility agreements. The systems reduce how much electricity a home draws from the grid, thereby lowering a household’s bill. Balcony solar systems are already popular internationally, with over one million registered in Germany alone, where they generate approximately 700 megawatts of power.
Maine also passed a law allowing such systems: Maine Plug-In Solar Law (LD 1730): What It Means
That's the idea!
I'm seeing them on eBay. Considering trying out a set.
Sounds interesting. Here's a typical one (link below). Not clear how its supposed to be used, though. Are you supposed to leave your outlet power on (making this a power source in parallel with your grid power), or do you turn off the circuit breaker at the panel for that outlet and now that circuit is powered solely by the solar power kit? Or either? As far as it being a money saver, though, its going to take a long time to recover your costs, given this one is over $1300, and its only generating 900 watts (about half of a 15 amp breaker).

Plug-in to save your bill | Plug & play grid-tie solar power kit | power saving
Saving money using solar is a bit... short-sighted. The cost savings come in when you don't already have distributed electricity lines to your home. That costs a good amount of money to build out. If it is already built out, then you aren't saving much money. Plug-in solar sounds a lot like those new indoor fans that cool off your home for much less, as long as you don't ask what the volume of air it processes is.

In Ohio, half of my bill seems to be a bunch of microtransaction riders.
Right. The ad shows it connected to a home in an urban area, and says its purpose is to save on your electric bill. Its doubtful you will have recovered your cost by the end of the solar panel lifetime, though. It also says that it will shut off automatically in the event of a power outage (for safety reasons), so its of no value when you need it most.
At less than one circuit breaker worth of power, it wouldn't do squat when you needed it most. The thing is merely meant to provide supplemental power to reduce you electricity usage.

Of course, I despise electricity because it is 105% magic and -5% science. I hated E-Systems in college.

So my question is this, is the panel actually supplying electricity to the house? There is voltage coming from the Panel. Is this similar to putting a water tank on your house to save money on water use, when all you are doing is adding pressure, not water. I could be absolutely wrong.
A better analogy is if you put another 12 volt car battery wired in parallel with your existing 12 volt car battery. Now, when you start the car, the starting power is shared between the two batteries, thus reducing energy consumption from the original battery (your original battery is analagous to the power grid, and the added battery is analagous to the solar panel system).
 
It is easy enough.

Look on your utility bill and find cost per kilowatt hour.

Estimate how many hours you can run your panel per year.

There are online tools that take your latitude and longitude and give you estimates of average energy in watts at the surface by month.


a 1 kilowatt electc space heater can heat a room in winter.

AI Overview
A typical home heat pump uses between 1,500 and 6,000 watts while actively running, consuming an average of 4,500 to 5,500 kWh of electricity annually. Because they move heat rather than create it, they operate at 200–400% efficiency, using 2 to 4 times less energy than standard electric furnaces.

A turn key solar air heater that can attache to an outside wall would be useful. There are window mount solalr air heaters.
 
Bill to Allow Plug-In Solar Panels Signed Into Law
Plug-in solar is common in Europe. For example, in Germany, approximately 4 million households have installed plug-in solar. With this law, Colorado joins Utah in becoming early adopters of safe, reliable, plug-in solar in the United States.
Something like half of US states states are now working on legislation for allowing such systems.

The Rise of Plug-In Solar: How States Can Reduce Costs and Streamline Clean Energy Adoption | National Caucus of Environmental Legislators
Plug-in Solar systems are small panels that connect to a standard wall outlet. They require no professional installation, no permits, and no utility agreements. The systems reduce how much electricity a home draws from the grid, thereby lowering a household’s bill. Balcony solar systems are already popular internationally, with over one million registered in Germany alone, where they generate approximately 700 megawatts of power.
Maine also passed a law allowing such systems: Maine Plug-In Solar Law (LD 1730): What It Means
That's the idea!
I'm seeing them on eBay. Considering trying out a set.
Sounds dangerous to me.

When a solar power system is installed here, the installer has to place a sticker on the meter, so that any electrician working in the building can see that turning off the main switch there is not adequate to ensure that the system is no longer at mains voltage.

A 'plug-in' solar panel has no such protections - and presumably also has a live "prong" on the plug when it is unplugged, which is another big no-no.
I assume there is a switch on the converter so the plug is not energized until the switch is turned on.

And a sticker is easy enough to create. I would hope the system comes with one.
 
Sounds interesting. Here's a typical one (link below). Not clear how its supposed to be used, though. Are you supposed to leave your outlet power on (making this a power source in parallel with your grid power), or do you turn off the circuit breaker at the panel for that outlet and now that circuit is powered solely by the solar power kit? Or either? As far as it being a money saver, though, its going to take a long time to recover your costs, given this one is over $1300, and its only generating 900 watts (about half of a 15 amp breaker).

Plug-in to save your bill | Plug & play grid-tie solar power kit | power saving
The ones I've seen are about $600 for a three panel kit.
 
Sounds interesting. Here's a typical one (link below). Not clear how its supposed to be used, though. Are you supposed to leave your outlet power on (making this a power source in parallel with your grid power), or do you turn off the circuit breaker at the panel for that outlet and now that circuit is powered solely by the solar power kit? Or either? As far as it being a money saver, though, its going to take a long time to recover your costs, given this one is over $1300, and its only generating 900 watts (about half of a 15 amp breaker).

Plug-in to save your bill | Plug & play grid-tie solar power kit | power saving
The ones I've seen are about $600 for a three panel kit.
How many watts does it output though? The energy savings with a cheaper kit with fewer panels will be less, so it's not clear the cost recovery will be any more favorable.
 
A DC to AC inverter designed to plug into a mains wire has to synchronize to the power line frequency. It detects the precedence of a mains signal before turning on.

If you wire it directly to a hate of air conditioner it does not matter.


All things related to electric utilities and the home come under the NEC National Electrical Code. I would check local building codes and your insurance company. And check it it is certified by a recognized safety agency.

AI Overview
Plug-and-play ("plug-in" or balcony) solar panels pose challenges under the National Electrical Code (NEC). Traditionally, the NEC mandates that any power production source connect via a dedicated branch circuit, but emerging localized legislation and updated safety protocols are carving out exceptions for small, microinverter-based plug-in arrays.NEC & Safety ConsiderationsArticle 690 & 705: These NEC articles govern PV installations and interconnected power sources. Traditionally, they require solar systems to have dedicated branch circuits and prohibit plugging generation sources into random, shared household outlets.Overloading Risks: Plugging a solar panel into a standard, shared circuit (like a 15-amp or 20-amp living room circuit) can inadvertently overload the wiring if combined with heavy appliances, as the circuit breaker won't "see" the combined energy flowing in the wrong direction.UL Certification: To satisfy local code, the plug-in system must be rigorously safety-tested and listed to recognized standards (like UL 1741).Microinverters: Most legitimate plug-in systems use microinverters that automatically shut off the moment the plug is pulled or the grid goes down (preventing energized prongs).The Changing Regulatory LandscapeBecause plug-in solar panels are designed to simply offset a home's "base load" (the small amount of power your fridge and router use even when you're away), states are shifting their regulations to accommodate them:State Legislation: First pioneered by Utah, several states have passed—or are considering—legislation that legalizes plug-and-play solar (often called balcony solar) without requiring costly building permits or utility interconnection agreements, provided the systems are small (e.g., under 400 to 800 watts).Utility Pushback: Despite the passing of state laws, many local utilities and Authorities Having Jurisdiction (AHJs) still treat any grid-tied solar as an unauthorized interconnection until explicitly approved.
 
A DC to AC inverter designed to plug into a mains wire has to synchronize to the power line frequency. It detects the precedence of a mains signal before turning on.

If you wire it directly to a hate of air conditioner it does not matter.



What is the hate of airconditioner?

I love airconditioner.

Unless it is a new collective noun for airconditioners?
 
A DC to AC inverter designed to plug into a mains wire has to synchronize to the power line frequency. It detects the precedence of a mains signal before turning on.

If you wire it directly to a hate of air conditioner it does not matter.



What is the hate of airconditioner?

I love airconditioner.

Unless it is a new collective noun for airconditioners?
My guess is it should read "heater or airconditioner"
 
Sounds interesting. Here's a typical one (link below). Not clear how its supposed to be used, though. Are you supposed to leave your outlet power on (making this a power source in parallel with your grid power), or do you turn off the circuit breaker at the panel for that outlet and now that circuit is powered solely by the solar power kit? Or either? As far as it being a money saver, though, its going to take a long time to recover your costs, given this one is over $1300, and its only generating 900 watts (about half of a 15 amp breaker).

Plug-in to save your bill | Plug & play grid-tie solar power kit | power saving
The ones I've seen are about $600 for a three panel kit.
How many watts does it output though? The energy savings with a cheaper kit with fewer panels will be less, so it's not clear the cost recovery will be any more favorable.
I saw them on aBay but that is as far as I got. I didn't research them any further.

The idea appealed to me because my breaker panel is full and local electricians want 8 to 10 grand to upgrade it to a 200 amp service.
 

So my question is this, is the panel actually supplying electricity to the house? There is voltage coming from the Panel. Is this similar to putting a water tank on your house to save money on water use, when all you are doing is adding pressure, not water. I could be absolutely wrong.
They're real. If it couldn't be done you would have no way of combining the output of two generators and thus the whole power grid would collapse.

It pushes electrons from one side to the other, the electrons flow back to where they want to be, doing work for you.

Whether it's economic is another matter.
 
You can not directly parallel voltage sources unless they are the exact same voltage. You can't connect two batteries in parallel. Batteries and voltages sources in general have low internal resistance. The battery with the higher voltage will discharge into the o0ther. The battery with the lower voltage will look like a short circuit.

A common way to parallel batteries is to diode OR them together. At first the high battery provides all the current. As the voltage drops when discharging the two batteries will have he sane voltage and share current.

You can put two batterer in series.

Current sources have high internal resistance and can be paralleled, but not connected in series.

You can look up Thevenin voltage sources versus Norton current sources. One transforms into he other.

Inverters connected to the grid are current sources in parallel with the grid. A very high resistance in parallel with a low resistance.

If you hook up an inverter from a solar panel to a TV it acts like a voltage source.

You can look up how solar cells are modeled(Thevenin, Norton) and hooked up.

Its not really like stored water. The are river turbines that pump water up to a reservoir during low demand and run it through the turbines during peak demand.

The Sun is a giant nuclear fusion reactor and we use the radiation to generate electricity.

Yea the NEC and UL safety requirements are a pain in the ass. I remember when I was a kid you could get a tingle from a hot chassis on a refrigerator.

Musicians have gotten shocked ad electrocuted by bad gonrudng on microphojnes and electrc guitars.
 
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You can not directly parallel voltage sources unless they are the exact same voltage. You can't connect two batteries in parallel. Batteries and voltages sources in general have low internal resistance. The battery with the higher voltage will discharge into the o0ther. The battery with the lower voltage will look like a short circuit.
Yes, you can. It's done quite often. The voltage remains the same but the current or amp/hours and run time increases.
 
You can not directly parallel voltage sources unless they are the exact same voltage. You can't connect two batteries in parallel. Batteries and voltages sources in general have low internal resistance. The battery with the higher voltage will discharge into the o0ther. The battery with the lower voltage will look like a short circuit.
Yes, you can. It's done quite often. The voltage remains the same but the current or amp/hours and run time increases.
Correct, you can connect two batteries in parallel. They do need to be the same voltage or there can be problems as Steve alludes to. My earlier example was of jump starting a car using two 12 volt battery sources. But it was just a simplified example to answer Jimmy Higgins' question. Combining two alternatiing current sources is a bit more complicated, as you have to make sure they are operating at the exact same frequency (i.e. 60 Hz) and are in phase, or there can be big trouble.
 
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Sounds dangerous to me.

When a solar power system is installed here, the installer has to place a sticker on the meter, so that any electrician working in the building can see that turning off the main switch there is not adequate to ensure that the system is no longer at mains voltage.

A 'plug-in' solar panel has no such protections - and presumably also has a live "prong" on the plug when it is unplugged, which is another big no-no.
I assume there is a switch on the converter so the plug is not energized until the switch is turned on.

And a sticker is easy enough to create. I would hope the system comes with one.
I assume there is no such switch. It's existence would be a major safety violation. You're playing with mains power, it must fail safe. There is a good reason live male plugs are called suicide plugs. And you'll sometimes see it as a meme: no gay electricians. The only way you can ensure it fails safe is to ensure there is nothing in the device capable of creating the 60hz signal. The device must match what it sees on the line, not create.
 
A diode OR is the common safe way to parallel batteries. You can look it up.

I would say it is not generally safe to directly parallel two batteries. Depending on the energy and charge state and the internal resistance of the batteries one can effectively act like a short or low resistance load to the the other battery. A lot of heat gets generated quickly. The result could be explosive.
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If the batteries are exactly or very closely matched initially, batteries of the same type will not discharge exactly the same, so one battery will eventually discharge into the other.

When working with super capacitors and and batteries in systems I always wore a face shield.

Electronic power supplies can be designed to operate in parallel. They have to have a specific ind of current overload protection. When a current limit is reached it goes into a current source mode.

Parallel two supplies and one with the lower voltage will act like a current source.

Looks like my long term memory is working.
 
Yea the NEC and UL safety requirements are a pain in the ass. I remember when I was a kid you could get a tingle from a hot chassis on a refrigerator.

Musicians have gotten shocked ad electrocuted by bad gonrudng on microphojnes and electrc guitars.
Safety codes are written in blood.

The discussion about how these panels work say why the code is skeptical about them.
 
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