How should west respond to Russian invasion of Ukraine?

[barbos]

banning pretty much everything.

LOL, just checked https://stellarium-web.org/ it is now working. Before that it was blocked by the RosComNadzor.

 

[barbos]

Former US Army officer commentary on the state of the Western aggression against Russia

 

[TV and credit cards]

Putin fucking annoys me in his by the book approach to politics.
This is his weakness. Western scum knows that and uses it against Russia.
Of course one can argue that Russia was or still is weak to ignore the book and have to be very careful with the west and NATO. I think it's a mistake. We should have followed through with all red line violation west performed.

Putin also annoys me with classical russian soviet government behavior where it treats its own population worse than foreign hostile regimes. I mean what is the fucking point of crackdown on the internet?
Fucking stupid and yes it is one thing which is very soviet about Putin.
He and the russian government is playing right into western intelligence hands when they allow banning pretty much everything.

Is this just you or are opinions shifting?

 

[Bronzeage]

Putin fucking annoys me in his by the book approach to politics.
This is his weakness. Western scum knows that and uses it against Russia.
Of course one can argue that Russia was or still is weak to ignore the book and have to be very careful with the west and NATO. I think it's a mistake. We should have followed through with all red line violation west performed.

Putin also annoys me with classical russian soviet government behavior where it treats its own population worse than foreign hostile regimes. I mean what is the fucking point of crackdown on the internet?
Fucking stupid and yes it is one thing which is very soviet about Putin.
He and the russian government is playing right into western intelligence hands when they allow banning pretty much everything.

Just keep up the "It was all Putin's fault" message and maybe the new guy will keep you on the payroll.

Quick question: Does Wildberries sell fire extinguishers and if so, why don't they use them?

 

[barbos]

Putin fucking annoys me in his by the book approach to politics.
This is his weakness. Western scum knows that and uses it against Russia.
Of course one can argue that Russia was or still is weak to ignore the book and have to be very careful with the west and NATO. I think it's a mistake. We should have followed through with all red line violation west performed.

Putin also annoys me with classical russian soviet government behavior where it treats its own population worse than foreign hostile regimes. I mean what is the fucking point of crackdown on the internet?
Fucking stupid and yes it is one thing which is very soviet about Putin.
He and the russian government is playing right into western intelligence hands when they allow banning pretty much everything.

Is this just you or are opinions shifting?

Are you writing a report to CIA?
nobody in Russia likes internet crackdown and never liked it.
Even people doing it themselves don't like it. I personally think certain people make money out of it.
Basically they bribe parlament members to lock out western competitors out of russian market.



And Some elderly idiots in security services may think it is a great thing too.
Putin himself is famous for not using internet at all. He does not understand anything about it.
All it does is pisses off people, and this is exactly what western scum wants.

Europe is doing that too of course, but not as much.

 

[barbos]

Just keep up the "It was all Putin's fault" message and maybe the new guy will keep you on the payroll.

I can retire with what I've got so far.

Quick question: Does Wildberries sell fire extinguishers and if so, why don't they use them?

They sell everything, and they use them too.

 

[barbos]

This is fucking stupid

https://www.youtube.com/midrftube

 

[Bronzeage]

Just keep up the "It was all Putin's fault" message and maybe the new guy will keep you on the payroll.

I can retire with what I've got so far.

Quick question: Does Wildberries sell fire extinguishers and if so, why don't they use them?

They sell everything, and they use them too.

Don't count on a government pension. Your pension fund manager is buy Russian government bonds. As for Wildberries fire extinguishers, one star out of five.

 

[DrZoidberg]

It began long time ago.
And yes, it is Putin's fault that he thought he can work with the West.
The only thing west understands is automatic punch into their ugly face.
I like Iran's response, they are not shy responding militarily agaist US puppets.
Fuck Nato, strike Baltic States, Germany, Romania and Poland

More philosophy from the drunk on the barroom floor.

Putin never wanted to work with the west unless they wanted to roll over and concede whatever he wanted, like Russians do. Unfortunately for Putin, he surrounds himself with people like you who are happy to tell him how strong he is and things like, "Ukrainians hate Zelenksy. They'll throw roses at you in Kiev."

Correction. The west did roll over and concede whatever he wanted up until February 2022 when they finally grew some balls and pushed back.

I think the west, and especially Europe, has a big responsibility in creating the monster that is Putin. After WW2 the world has been in a fluffy bubble of world peace and stability under US hegenomy. Historically, this world is a weird anomaly. China and Russia, are now behaving like nations always have behaved. They're the normal ones. Countries respond to what is happening around them, and if they smell weakness, usually exploit it, to expand their power.

The liberal and open world we have today is a product of western weapons. Our undisputed dominance, is what allows this to continue.

But the fluffy bubble of world peace we had was unsustainable. It was easy for USA to be the benevolent daddy of the world and foot the bill, in a world that was utterly devastated after WW2. But after the rise of China, Russia turning capitalst and the third world getting their act together, USA was no longer the unthreatened king of the hill. And Europe, at some point during the way, just checked out, and left USA being the only western power upholding global liberal freedoms.

In 2014, Putin grabs Crimea, and USA (under Obama) refuses to be Europe's sugar daddy, Europe was fucked to do anything about it. It should have been a massive wake up call. It wasn't. Not responding to Russia, should have made the 2022 invasion utterly predictable. Most people on this forum did. And I don't think we're geniuses of geopolitical strategy.

It wasn't until the 2022 invasion, when USA, now under Trump, again refuses to be Europe's sugar daddy, that Europe finally responds and start funding our military.

If everyone keeps making life easy for Putin to grab stuff... he's going to keep grabbing stuff. I think that's on us.

I remember when I was young in Sweden and people where whining about USA being a world police. Even back then I was thinking... how's that a bad thing? if the would stop, why wouldn't it turn catastrophic? That world is here now.

 

[Ovazor]

Don't count on a government pension. Your pension fund manager is buy Russian government bonds. As for Wildberries fire extinguishers, one star out of five.

And that is a red star...

 

[barbos]

 

[barbos]

Correction. The west did roll over and concede whatever he wanted up until February 2022 when they finally grew some balls and pushed back.

It's hard to not roll over after you peed yourself anticipating NATO base in Sevastopol.
I mean surprise and then realization that Crimea was never a realistic goal for NATO.

 

[barbos]

Retired US colonel disagrees with you all

 

[Harry Bosch]

Correction. The west did roll over and concede whatever he wanted up until February 2022 when they finally grew some balls and pushed back.

It's hard to not roll over after you peed yourself anticipating NATO base in Sevastopol.
I mean surprise and then realization that Crimea was never a realistic goal for NATO.

Sevastopol is in Crimea, Ukraine. Ukraine was never in Nato.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

It began long time ago.
And yes, it is Putin's fault that he thought he can work with the West.
The only thing west understands is automatic punch into their ugly face.
I like Iran's response, they are not shy responding militarily agaist US puppets.
Fuck Nato, strike Baltic States, Germany, Romania and Poland

More philosophy from the drunk on the barroom floor.

Putin never wanted to work with the west unless they wanted to roll over and concede whatever he wanted, like Russians do. Unfortunately for Putin, he surrounds himself with people like you who are happy to tell him how strong he is and things like, "Ukrainians hate Zelenksy. They'll throw roses at you in Kiev."

Correction. The west did roll over and concede whatever he wanted up until February 2022 when they finally grew some balls and pushed back.

That seems a curious thing to say, seeing the blood being spilt in Ukraine is mostly Ukrainian. NATO is just helping fund Ukrainian fighting to the death to remain free from Russia.

I think the west, and especially Europe, has a big responsibility in creating the monster that is Putin. After WW2 the world has been in a fluffy bubble of world peace and stability under US hegenomy. Historically, this world is a weird anomaly. China and Russia, are now behaving like nations always have behaved. They're the normal ones. Countries respond to what is happening around them, and if they smell weakness, usually exploit it, to expand their power.

The liberal and open world we have today is a product of western weapons. Our undisputed dominance, is what allows this to continue.

But the fluffy bubble of world peace we had was unsustainable. It was easy for USA to be the benevolent daddy of the world and foot the bill, in a world that was utterly devastated after WW2. But after the rise of China, Russia turning capitalst and the third world getting their act together, USA was no longer the unthreatened king of the hill. And Europe, at some point during the way, just checked out, and left USA being the only western power upholding global liberal freedoms.

Well, that is the glossiest piece of crap I've ever seen. It is so shiny, you could almost forget it was a piece of crap. The claims and lack of context are absurdly wrong or missing.

In 2014, Putin grabs Crimea, and USA (under Obama) refuses to be Europe's sugar daddy, Europe was fucked to do anything about it. It should have been a massive wake up call. It wasn't. Not responding to Russia, should have made the 2022 invasion utterly predictable. Most people on this forum did. And I don't think we're geniuses of geopolitical strategy.

It wasn't until the 2022 invasion, when USA, now under Trump, again refuses to be Europe's sugar daddy, that Europe finally responds and start funding our military.

If everyone keeps making life easy for Putin to grab stuff... he's going to keep grabbing stuff. I think that's on us.

Jebus, it is like the Mandate of Heaven became sentient.

I remember when I was young in Sweden and people where whining about USA being a world police. Even back then I was thinking... how's that a bad thing? if the would stop, why wouldn't it turn catastrophic? That world is here now.

Things are so unbelievably far from catastrophic. It is more a sign of how privileged a life you've been able to have in Europe over the last several decades that can lead you to think we are on the verge of catastrophe, from a global conflict perspective. Worse yet, you want to blame other people for the actions of sociopaths.

 

[barbos]

Correction. The west did roll over and concede whatever he wanted up until February 2022 when they finally grew some balls and pushed back.

It's hard to not roll over after you peed yourself anticipating NATO base in Sevastopol.
I mean surprise and then realization that Crimea was never a realistic goal for NATO.

Sevastopol is in Crimea, Ukraine. Ukraine was never in Nato.

Crimea is Russia. And NATO generals did pee their pants in 2014 over prospect of having a base there.

 

[ZiprHead]

Putin never wanted to work with the west unless they wanted to roll over and concede whatever he wanted,

Everything you say is patently false and opposite is true.

You already admitted it was true when you said this:

No, what you excrete here at nauseam is BS and lies.

"Yep, take a good deal or we fuck you up, which you more than deserved 10 times over."

Yes, that was the offer. Russia cannot have this shit on its border.

You caused to have this shit on your border. You tried to stop one and got two others. How's that plan working out for you?

 

[ZiprHead]

Former US Army officer commentary on the state of the Western aggression against Russia

Fuck that guy. He's a paid traitor.

 

[barbos]

 

[barbos]

Putin never wanted to work with the west unless they wanted to roll over and concede whatever he wanted,

Everything you say is patently false and opposite is true.

You already admitted it was true when you said this:

No, what you excrete here at nauseam is BS and lies.

"Yep, take a good deal or we fuck you up, which you more than deserved 10 times over."

Yes, that was the offer. Russia cannot have this shit on its border.

You caused to have this shit on your border. You tried to stop one and got two others. How's that plan working out for you?

Nuland vehemently disagrees with taking credit from her.