Tennessee Fucks Up

[DrZoidberg]

According to a doctor I know, the problem with the Pike execution is that they missed the artery. And this can explain her development and recovery. Health professionals have sworn the hipocratic oath. So whoever is involved in the execution has not sworn the hipocratic oath, ie not a nurse or a doctor. Which would explain how they could fuck up this basic maneuver.

I suspect the biggest pain associated with execution is existential dread. It's the knowledge of death itself that's the greater pain. Rather than the physical pain from the method used. So having someone on death row for a long time is the greatest form of cruelty associated with this. If someone has an existential dread, then physical pain can help distract them. So might be preferred.

My point is that we split hairs regarding capitol punishments.

I think that life in prison is equatable with execution. Even if someone is found innocent after 30 years in jail, they'll never get those 30 years back. I think it's in practice the same thing. Taking away someone's freedom is as bad as killing someone.

I don't have strong opinions on it, and don't have a solution. We need to do something about irredeemebly bad people in society. All options are bad, but necessary. It's all barbaric

Firing squad is as good as any other method imho. Or go back to the classics hanging or garroting. Less messy. It's all bad.

 

[Elixir]

Firing squad is as good as any other method imho. Or go back to the classics hanging or garroting. Less messy. It's all bad.

I’m kinda fond of the ancient Hawaiian method of throwing the offender into the lava pool in the crater of a volcano. No messy remains to deal with, and it’s safe to assume that anyone who survives it, was not meant to be executed.

 

[Politesse]

Ancient Hawaiians executed people by quite a variety of means, but that was not among them. Under the kapu, the punishment was meant to fit the crime to some degree. Those who'd comitted martial crimes were clubbed to death, ecological offenders buried alive, etc. These were all replaced with the more "modern" method of hanging under the unified kingdom, and all state executions were ended in 1957.

 

[Patooka]

The conservatives are generally for law and order which is mostly what we have today. Prisoners are forced to serve society in jail to pay their debt to society.

You can fuck off to the moon and back. All those domestic terrorists on J6 got a free pass from your orange messiah.

 

[Playball40]

I think there should be a Constitutional amendment that after an execution attempt by authorities, the victim goes free.

Umm... I'm not really sold on turning the serial killer loose if the executioner fucks up. Seems kind of reckless and negligent to me.

I agree with you here Laughing Dog goes too far. Although for the most part I also agree with those who want to abolish the death penalty. And just being against the death penalty does not or should not mean you are for murder or other bad capital type of crimes.

Abolishing the death penalty makes sense strictly by reviewing the probabilities. Because escape from prison is a much lower probability than our legal system making a bad verdict. It is also better to protect the innocent even if that means some guilty people go free. Then there is the paradox that Tennessee finds itself in today. Attempting to save the life of a botched executing so that they will try to execute her again. It is almost as though the government wants to waste tax payer money.

The libertarian view of punishment that makes the most sense to me. Forget about payment to society, punish the guilty by making them restore the victim and or their families. And if they don't want to pay or can't pay, then they have to sell off a kidney or part of their liver. Turns out that a good organ is worth a lot of money. That is still better than killing them (like we do today) and it gives the victim more justice IMO.

I was kind of with you until you asserted that forcing someone to sell a vital organ was the libertarian way.

I oppose the death penalty on the grounds that the government, we the people, cannot be trusted with that power, trusted to never execute an innocent person either by error, negligence, or malice. So I’m good with the logic that the only way to avoid killing g innocents is to not have the government be in the business of killing.

But forcing the selling of body parts as reparation? Libertarian? Come on.

The conservatives are generally for law and order which is mostly what we have today. Prisoners are forced to serve society in jail to pay their debt to society. Kill them if the crime was bad enough. The liberals are generally for compassion and rehabilitation of the criminal. Some liberals even want to get rid of the police.

Nonsense

 

[SLD]

According to a doctor I know, the problem with the Pike execution is that they missed the artery. And this can explain her development and recovery. Health professionals have sworn the hipocratic oath. So whoever is involved in the execution has not sworn the hipocratic oath, ie not a nurse or a doctor. Which would explain how they could fuck up this basic maneuver.

I suspect the biggest pain associated with execution is existential dread. It's the knowledge of death itself that's the greater pain. Rather than the physical pain from the method used. So having someone on death row for a long time is the greatest form of cruelty associated with this. If someone has an existential dread, then physical pain can help distract them. So might be preferred.

My point is that we split hairs regarding capitol punishments.

I think that life in prison is equatable with execution. Even if someone is found innocent after 30 years in jail, they'll never get those 30 years back. I think it's in practice the same thing. Taking away someone's freedom is as bad as killing someone.

I don't have strong opinions on it, and don't have a solution. We need to do something about irredeemebly bad people in society. All options are bad, but necessary. It's all barbaric

Firing squad is as good as any other method imho. Or go back to the classics hanging or garroting. Less messy. It's all bad.

Firing squad?

Looks like you are getting your wish:

Nidal Hasan May Be Executed on December 3 by Firing Squad; First Military Execution in 65 Years | Death Penalty Information Center

The U.S. Army has set an execution date of December 3 for Nidal Hasan, who was convicted of killing 13 people in a mass shooting on the Fort Hood military…

deathpenaltyinfo.org

December 3rd. Hegseth and Trump approved.

Probably won't happen then. I'm sure there will be a round of appeals about the process.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

According to a doctor I know, the problem with the Pike execution is that they missed the artery. And this can explain her development and recovery. Health professionals have sworn the hipocratic oath. So whoever is involved in the execution has not sworn the hipocratic oath, ie not a nurse or a doctor. Which would explain how they could fuck up this basic maneuver.

I suspect the biggest pain associated with execution is existential dread. It's the knowledge of death itself that's the greater pain. Rather than the physical pain from the method used. So having someone on death row for a long time is the greatest form of cruelty associated with this. If someone has an existential dread, then physical pain can help distract them. So might be preferred.

My point is that we split hairs regarding capitol punishments.

I think that life in prison is equatable with execution. Even if someone is found innocent after 30 years in jail, they'll never get those 30 years back. I think it's in practice the same thing. Taking away someone's freedom is as bad as killing someone.

I don't have strong opinions on it, and don't have a solution. We need to do something about irredeemebly bad people in society. All options are bad, but necessary. It's all barbaric

Firing squad is as good as any other method imho. Or go back to the classics hanging or garroting. Less messy. It's all bad.

Firing squad?

Looks like you are getting your wish:

Nidal Hasan May Be Executed on December 3 by Firing Squad; First Military Execution in 65 Years | Death Penalty Information Center

The U.S. Army has set an execution date of December 3 for Nidal Hasan, who was convicted of killing 13 people in a mass shooting on the Fort Hood military…

deathpenaltyinfo.org

December 3rd. Hegseth and Trump approved.

Probably won't happen then. I'm sure there will be a round of appeals about the process.

Pun intended?

My question is, why in the fuck would you do that to someone? I mean the shooters. The guy committed a serious crime. There is no doubt of guilt. And he was military, so this seems like a rather hard to argue against death penalty case.

But why firing squad? Hegseth get hard over the prospect of it?

 

[Tigers!]

According to a doctor I know, the problem with the Pike execution is that they missed the artery. And this can explain her development and recovery. Health professionals have sworn the hipocratic oath. So whoever is involved in the execution has not sworn the hipocratic oath, ie not a nurse or a doctor. Which would explain how they could fuck up this basic maneuver.

I suspect the biggest pain associated with execution is existential dread. It's the knowledge of death itself that's the greater pain. Rather than the physical pain from the method used. So having someone on death row for a long time is the greatest form of cruelty associated with this. If someone has an existential dread, then physical pain can help distract them. So might be preferred.

My point is that we split hairs regarding capitol punishments.

I think that life in prison is equatable with execution. Even if someone is found innocent after 30 years in jail, they'll never get those 30 years back. I think it's in practice the same thing. Taking away someone's freedom is as bad as killing someone.

I don't have strong opinions on it, and don't have a solution. We need to do something about irredeemebly bad people in society. All options are bad, but necessary. It's all barbaric

Firing squad is as good as any other method imho. Or go back to the classics hanging or garroting. Less messy. It's all bad.

Firing squad?

Looks like you are getting your wish:

Nidal Hasan May Be Executed on December 3 by Firing Squad; First Military Execution in 65 Years | Death Penalty Information Center

The U.S. Army has set an execution date of December 3 for Nidal Hasan, who was convicted of killing 13 people in a mass shooting on the Fort Hood military…

deathpenaltyinfo.org

December 3rd. Hegseth and Trump approved.

Probably won't happen then. I'm sure there will be a round of appeals about the process.

Pun intended?

My question is, why in the fuck would you do that to someone? I mean the shooters. The guy committed a serious crime. There is no doubt of guilt. And he was military, so this seems like a rather hard to argue against death penalty case.

But why firing squad? Hegseth get hard over the prospect of it?

Because you yanks are far more effective at killing people with guns rather than drugs.

 

[SLD]

According to a doctor I know, the problem with the Pike execution is that they missed the artery. And this can explain her development and recovery. Health professionals have sworn the hipocratic oath. So whoever is involved in the execution has not sworn the hipocratic oath, ie not a nurse or a doctor. Which would explain how they could fuck up this basic maneuver.

I suspect the biggest pain associated with execution is existential dread. It's the knowledge of death itself that's the greater pain. Rather than the physical pain from the method used. So having someone on death row for a long time is the greatest form of cruelty associated with this. If someone has an existential dread, then physical pain can help distract them. So might be preferred.

My point is that we split hairs regarding capitol punishments.

I think that life in prison is equatable with execution. Even if someone is found innocent after 30 years in jail, they'll never get those 30 years back. I think it's in practice the same thing. Taking away someone's freedom is as bad as killing someone.

I don't have strong opinions on it, and don't have a solution. We need to do something about irredeemebly bad people in society. All options are bad, but necessary. It's all barbaric

Firing squad is as good as any other method imho. Or go back to the classics hanging or garroting. Less messy. It's all bad.

Firing squad?

Looks like you are getting your wish:

Nidal Hasan May Be Executed on December 3 by Firing Squad; First Military Execution in 65 Years | Death Penalty Information Center

The U.S. Army has set an execution date of December 3 for Nidal Hasan, who was convicted of killing 13 people in a mass shooting on the Fort Hood military…

deathpenaltyinfo.org

December 3rd. Hegseth and Trump approved.

Probably won't happen then. I'm sure there will be a round of appeals about the process.

Pun intended?

My question is, why in the fuck would you do that to someone? I mean the shooters. The guy committed a serious crime. There is no doubt of guilt. And he was military, so this seems like a rather hard to argue against death penalty case.

But why firing squad? Hegseth get hard over the prospect of it?

Do you really want the answer?

 

[DrZoidberg]

According to a doctor I know, the problem with the Pike execution is that they missed the artery. And this can explain her development and recovery. Health professionals have sworn the hipocratic oath. So whoever is involved in the execution has not sworn the hipocratic oath, ie not a nurse or a doctor. Which would explain how they could fuck up this basic maneuver.

I suspect the biggest pain associated with execution is existential dread. It's the knowledge of death itself that's the greater pain. Rather than the physical pain from the method used. So having someone on death row for a long time is the greatest form of cruelty associated with this. If someone has an existential dread, then physical pain can help distract them. So might be preferred.

My point is that we split hairs regarding capitol punishments.

I think that life in prison is equatable with execution. Even if someone is found innocent after 30 years in jail, they'll never get those 30 years back. I think it's in practice the same thing. Taking away someone's freedom is as bad as killing someone.

I don't have strong opinions on it, and don't have a solution. We need to do something about irredeemebly bad people in society. All options are bad, but necessary. It's all barbaric

Firing squad is as good as any other method imho. Or go back to the classics hanging or garroting. Less messy. It's all bad.

Firing squad?

Looks like you are getting your wish:

Nidal Hasan May Be Executed on December 3 by Firing Squad; First Military Execution in 65 Years | Death Penalty Information Center

The U.S. Army has set an execution date of December 3 for Nidal Hasan, who was convicted of killing 13 people in a mass shooting on the Fort Hood military…

deathpenaltyinfo.org

December 3rd. Hegseth and Trump approved.

Probably won't happen then. I'm sure there will be a round of appeals about the process.

I mentioned it because I knew it was approved by Trump

And its not my wish. I don't have strong opinions either way. I think locking people up for life ot executing them is about as bad. I think execution methods are largely irrelevant

Its splitting hairs on irrelevancies

 

[DrZoidberg]

According to a doctor I know, the problem with the Pike execution is that they missed the artery. And this can explain her development and recovery. Health professionals have sworn the hipocratic oath. So whoever is involved in the execution has not sworn the hipocratic oath, ie not a nurse or a doctor. Which would explain how they could fuck up this basic maneuver.

I suspect the biggest pain associated with execution is existential dread. It's the knowledge of death itself that's the greater pain. Rather than the physical pain from the method used. So having someone on death row for a long time is the greatest form of cruelty associated with this. If someone has an existential dread, then physical pain can help distract them. So might be preferred.

My point is that we split hairs regarding capitol punishments.

I think that life in prison is equatable with execution. Even if someone is found innocent after 30 years in jail, they'll never get those 30 years back. I think it's in practice the same thing. Taking away someone's freedom is as bad as killing someone.

I don't have strong opinions on it, and don't have a solution. We need to do something about irredeemebly bad people in society. All options are bad, but necessary. It's all barbaric

Firing squad is as good as any other method imho. Or go back to the classics hanging or garroting. Less messy. It's all bad.

Firing squad?

Looks like you are getting your wish:

Nidal Hasan May Be Executed on December 3 by Firing Squad; First Military Execution in 65 Years | Death Penalty Information Center

The U.S. Army has set an execution date of December 3 for Nidal Hasan, who was convicted of killing 13 people in a mass shooting on the Fort Hood military…

deathpenaltyinfo.org

December 3rd. Hegseth and Trump approved.

Probably won't happen then. I'm sure there will be a round of appeals about the process.

Pun intended?

My question is, why in the fuck would you do that to someone? I mean the shooters. The guy committed a serious crime. There is no doubt of guilt. And he was military, so this seems like a rather hard to argue against death penalty case.

But why firing squad? Hegseth get hard over the prospect of it?

Because you yanks are far more effective at killing people with guns rather than drugs.

Not if the drug used is Fentanyl

 

[Tigers!]

Because you yanks are far more effective at killing people with guns rather than drugs.

Not if the drug used is Fentanyl

That is probably the best drug to use. Though the delivery would most likely be botched up.

 

[SLD]

So now Hegseth is saying that Hasan's execution will be public and be live streamed!!!

https://www.cnn.com/2026/10/08/politics/pete-hegseth-vows-to-make-first-firing-squad-execution-in-decades-public?st_source=ai_mode

I mean holy shit! Livestreamed? WTF?

He's also inviting Jihadi's to come to Texas that day. What a coup that would be for some Islamic terrorist to attack that area at the same time. It would be insane.

I also did some further research and while a proper firing squad destroys the heart resulting in an instantaneous loss of blood pressure in the brain, you've got enough reserve oxygen to know what's happening to you for about 10 - 15 seconds. Survivors of chest gun shot wounds (obviously not in the heart) describe a massive body blow hitting you as opposed to a sharp penetrating pain. The pain does come a little while later. So he probably feels a huge body blow, and then maybe slowly blacks out while realizing he's dying. I don't know.

The guy is paralyzed from the shooting incident. Are they really going to wheel him out in public and shoot him like a dog? Does hegseth not realize the optics of that will look fucking awful. Seriously. This guy is fucked up. The Feds have the drugs to put him down like a normal lethal injection. Just do it and be done with it. Sheeesh!!!

Furthermore, this is going to result in a large round of appeals and further delay in his execution as a result. If they stuck to Lethal Injection, it would happen on schedule with little chance of any kind of appeal being successful.

 

[Politesse]

Kind of defeats the purpose of a firing SQUAD if internet sleuths know by the end of the hour whose bullet did which damage and dox all the soldiers.

 

[Politesse]

They should draw and quarter him, the crowds would love it. Funny how Matt Walsh just did this whole "documentary" about how evil and savage Native Americans are, and now he's running damage control for a historic blood frenzy in the war dept.

 

[thebeave]

Christa is up and walking around now:

Christa Pike now walking after failed US execution, lawyer tells BBC

What a clusterfuck. Now what happens? Give her medical treatment to get better, then turn around and try for round 3? I'm actually starting to feel a little bad for her, despite the disgusting things she did to land her on death row. Maybe giver her some sort of civil settlement for this botched execution and let her go?

 

[SLD]

Christa is up and walking around now:

Christa Pike now walking after failed US execution, lawyer tells BBC

What a clusterfuck. Now what happens? Give her medical treatment to get better, then turn around and try for round 3? I'm actually starting to feel a little bad for her, despite the disgusting things she did to land her on death row. Maybe giver her some sort of civil settlement for this botched execution and let her go?

No. Just commute it to life without parole. Tennessee would be best to forget this whole thing. Why would they want the spotlight on executing her another time? The whole civilized world would come down against them. It would only play to a certain class of sick voters. The earlier he commutes her sentence the quicker this whole fiasco simmers down and removes the spotlight on Tennessee. What a clusterfuck indeed!

 

[SLD]

So not being a death penalty lawyer, I did some further research. Unless Hasan actually directs that there be no appeal, his execution will not be carried out on December 3rd. There will be an automatic stay issued the moment he files a Habeas Corpus petition in federal court. This has not been done by Hasan because it couldn't until an initial execution date was set. Trump's setting the date merely starts the process of federal court review of the entire case, which, of course, will take years.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Livestream! That's a twist. Oh, dear. Barbarity is escalating

Fort Hood attacker's execution by firing squad will be livestreamed, Pentagon says

The US Defence Secretary said the execution would be public, but a legal expert said the "unprecedented" decision was on "uncertain legal terrain".

www.bbc.com

 

[ZiprHead]

Livestream! That's a twist. Oh, dear. Barbarity is escalating

Fort Hood attacker's execution by firing squad will be livestreamed, Pentagon says

The US Defence Secretary said the execution would be public, but a legal expert said the "unprecedented" decision was on "uncertain legal terrain".

www.bbc.com

Now that a date has been set, the appeals process can begin. This will take years.