School nurse bullies and berates student who refused to stand for pledge

[Angry Floof]

After an Eighth Grader Stayed Seated During the Pledge of Allegiance, the School Nurse Refused to Treat Her

The school nurse ordered everyone present to stand up, but the student remained seated as she typically does. She reports that subsequently, when it was her turn to be seen by the nurse, the nurse asked loudly, “Why didn’t you stand for the Pledge?” The student replied that the Pledge exercise is voluntary and that no explanation for opting out is needed. Shockingly, the nurse responded by ordering her out of the room, yelling, “Fine! Then leave! I have the right to not service you!”

The student reports that she left the nurse’s office in tears and went to the administrative offices to call her mother. A secretary then led the student to an office, but at that time the same nurse appeared again, saying, “She isn’t calling a parent until I have a long conversation with her!”

Stunted fucking cunt. Some people might think this piece of shit should be given a chance to apologize and not lose her job, but I think she should be canned immediately. This imbecile would better serve as an example of what happens to ignorant, hateful bullies when they take their infantile anger out by abusing children.

Letter to the school from the AHA (PDF).

 

[Loren Pechtel]

And she still has her job??

 

[fast]

I'd like to take a calm light-hearted stroll down a couple meandering paths peculiar to some details of this topic, but somehow, I don't think I could get more than a couple steps before tripping up, so, I'll just say, I feel for her.

 

[Angry Floof]

Why do you feel for her?

I seldom feel much for people who treat kids like that and then get called out for it. She's a grown woman. All it would have taken was about ten seconds of thinking rather than reacting with batshit ideological posturing and nothing would have happened.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Who do you think you are? That piece of fabric needs to have an allegiance sweared upon it. Liberty and justice for all just doesn't happen you know! It takes shallow words. Shallow words repeated over and over!

 

[Keith&Co.]

Who do you think you are? That piece of fabric needs to have an allegiance sweared upon it. Liberty and justice for all just doesn't happen you know! It takes shallow words. Shallow words repeated over and over!

Quite right. My wife and i are quite insistent that the fabric be respected far greater than the ideals it represents and the people behind it.
We didn't swear our oaths so that 8th graders would have or use their constitutional rights.
College students, maybe. Freshmen with political science majors, juniors in other fields...

 

[fast]

Why do you feel for her?

I seldom feel much for people who treat kids like that and then get called out for it. She's a grown woman. All it would have taken was about ten seconds of thinking rather than reacting with batshit ideological posturing and nothing would have happened.

Yeah, her too--but not quite as much.

 

[Juma]

1) Having a pledge at all is ridiculous and an assault on the students.
2) when it is custom to stand up during a pledge, or singing an national anthem, you stand up wether you agree to it or not. Not of kindness etc but to simply not disturb wat is going on.

3) the nurse seems to be a moron but then that is true of anyone requiring students to perform a pledge.

 

[Angry Floof]

I think Jimmy Higgins hit the nail on the head. The mindless patriotism that this nurse demonstrated is that mental act (I call it ideological disease) of valuing the symbol of something over what it represents, and so ingrained is this cognitive batshittery that ordinary human beings will treat other human beings with hatred and violence because of it. The pledge might represent much of what's good or has been good about our country, including, presumably, our ability to treat each other humanely and fairly. But clearly this nurse does not value anything of the sort. She values indoctrination, conformity, punishment.

It's such a tiny, effortless thing to ask yourself if how you treat a child is more important than keeping her in line over your automatic attachment to a symbol.

This nurse really embodies a very specific aspect of our ideological disease, and the whole situation demonstrates so clearly how brutal and volatile can be the consequences.

And to think a mere ten seconds taken by this stupid cunt, something very easy that she does have control over, to ask herself if she really wants to be the kind of person who mistreats kids, would have prevented the whole upsetting situation. Now, if her name is released, she may find herself held high for public questioning of her way of thinking, something she has NO control over.

What people of this fascist, stunted kind of mentality just don't get is that while they are free to not question any damn thing, that does not stop the rest of the world questioning their beliefs and behaviors.

 

[bilby]

Pledges of allegiance by minors are characteristic of totalitarian dictatorships.

Claims in such pledges that the nation in question stands for Liberty and or Justice are almost as convincing as naming your country 'The People's Democratic Republic of ...'

Not only should no child ever be required to take or recite the pledge; they should be prohibited from so doing, in the same way (and for the same reasons) that they are prohibited from making binding legal contracts.

If the pledge is meaningful, then having children say it is despicable.

If the pledge is NOT meaningful, then having ANYONE say it is despicable.

I prefer to live in a nation that at least pretends not to be brainwashing its youth.

 

[barbos]

At least she did not chase her with a tazer and a gun.

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Pledges of allegiance by minors are characteristic of totalitarian dictatorships.

I just thought the same thing and I grew up in totalitarian (so they say) country, yet none of that shit was required in the school.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

I wonder if the kids still say the 8th grader alternate versions...

I pledge an allegiance to the fags...

Probably part of the Gay Agenda.

 

[bigfield]

At least she did not chase her with a tazer and a gun.

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Pledges of allegiance by minors are characteristic of totalitarian dictatorships.

I just thought the same thing and I grew up in totalitarian (so they say) country, yet none of that shit was required in the school.

You just did it 'voluntarily', as a spontaneous expression of national pride.

 

[ApostateAbe]

She made a mistake and people make mistakes. Let's understand that.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

She made a mistake and people make mistakes. Let's understand that.

That would be dependent on the rationale behind the mistake. I don't see how there's any way to understand it which makes her actions more justifiable.

 

[J842P]

She made a mistake and people make mistakes. Let's understand that.

It wasn't a "mistake." She did what she intended to do. What she intended to do was reprehensible. She is reprehensible.

 

[TV and credit cards]

I'm surprised there's no mention of transferring the nurse to another school. I could see where the student would be apprehensive about visiting this nurse in the future. Also, if the nurse does learn from this incident, it would afford her the opportunity of a fresh start.

 

[ApostateAbe]

She made a mistake and people make mistakes. Let's understand that.

It wasn't a "mistake." She did what she intended to do. What she intended to do was reprehensible. She is reprehensible.

Then it was an error. Members of the public have a bad habit of calling for someone's firing when all they know is what they see in a small blurb. Don't do that. We know absolutely nothing else about this nurse's job record.

 

[J842P]

It wasn't a "mistake." She did what she intended to do. What she intended to do was reprehensible. She is reprehensible.

Then it was an error. Members of the public have a bad habit of calling for someone's firing when all they know is what they see in a small blurb. Don't do that. We know absolutely nothing else about this nurse's job record.

The incident, if it happened as described, is a major enough that I do not need to know anything else about her record.

If she had been driving a car and hit another car or a pedestrian that would be an example of an error or a mistake. This situation is different. The nurse acted deliberately. The school counselor also acted in an outrageously reprehensible manner by suggesting that the student should have to stand outside in the hallway if she didn't want to say the pledge.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

It wasn't a "mistake." She did what she intended to do. What she intended to do was reprehensible. She is reprehensible.

Then it was an error. Members of the public have a bad habit of calling for someone's firing when all they know is what they see in a small blurb. Don't do that. We know absolutely nothing else about this nurse's job record.

I don't see that her job record even matters. Her conduct here is unacceptable for someone in a position of authority over a kid.