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Op-ed: Obama = Bush on security matters

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/05/08/keith-alexander-unplugged-bushobama-matters/

I would say this depressed me, but this is already how I view the Obama administration: a continuation of the Bush administration.

I've been saying it over and over again on this site but I still get huge arguments from liberals who still insist on apologizing for Obama. Bush lied about foreign policy. He promised no nation building and a foreign policy in which we minded our own business and didn't get involved in overseas entanglements. He didn't deliver, but at least he had the excuse of "9/11 changed everything."

But Obama has been worse, at least in the truthfulness category. He not only has gotten us involved in even more foreign entanglements, he has actively supported, and even insisted upon, more civil liberties violations that the Bush Administration did.

Meanwhile, on domestic policy, he has literally shoved trillions of dollars to the Wall Street banks through the Federal Reserve while also bailing out other domestic corporations. And liberals might look at Obamacare as some kind of earth-shaking change, it is hardly liberal. It isn't single-payer, as most liberals wanted, and it doesn't even include a public option which many liberals favored. What it does do is force many more people to buy insurance and many to buy insurance they don't need which greatly benefits the health insurance industry. And if all of this fails to force the necessary additional business to make it profitable to the insurance industry, the taxpayer gets to pick up the difference!

Obamacare isn't a conservative health care program, but it's also difficult to see what is liberal about it.

Obama is a complete dud on national security issues and civil liberties, but he's really pretty much a dud on domestic policy as well. Under Obama we have an easy answer to the question qui bono? Anybody who contributed big bundles to the Obama campaign has benefitted and at everyone else's expense.

Frankly, I didn't expect much from the Obama Administration, but he has still been a big disappointment because I thought that at least he would be a good liberal, but he hasn't even been that. He's just been a sell-out to special interests wherever he can find them.
 
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/05/08/keith-alexander-unplugged-bushobama-matters/

I would say this depressed me, but this is already how I view the Obama administration: a continuation of the Bush administration.

I've been saying it over and over again on this site but I still get huge arguments from liberals who still insist on apologizing for Obama. Bush lied about foreign policy. He promised no nation building and a foreign policy in which we minded our own business and didn't get involved in overseas entanglements. He didn't deliver, but at least he had the excuse of "9/11 changed everything."[...]

You have got to be kidding me.

We've been doing nothing but complain about Obama's various Bush-like policies ever since he set foot in office, and you're still trying to stick to the FOX News line about liberals refusing to criticize Obama? For crying out loud, the article is written by a prominent liberal op-ed writer.
 
Of course US security and foreign policy doesn't change from president to president. The president is allowed to tweak a few things around the edges, but the core policies have been developed by the Depts of State and Defense over decades, and they are not about to let some guy who is only around for a maximum of 8 years dictate how things should be done.

Haven't you ever seen 'Yes, Minister', and its sequel, 'Yes, Prime Minister'? The government is not about to let a bunch of mere politicians tell them how to run the country. I have no doubt that this is just as true in the USA today as it was In the UK a few decades ago. By the time a president has had time to even begin to influence policy in a really large government department, he is out of office, and his successor is trying to undo the things he hasn't yet had time to get done.

A good president can be a powerful positive influence; but government has a lot of inertia, and any positive (or negative) policy changes during a presidential term in office is as likely to be despite the president's best efforts as they are to be caused by them.

It takes a string of good presidents to influence policy for the better; and it takes a string of bad presidents to influence policy for the worse. Sadly, runs of good presidents are rare, while runs of mediocre and positively bad presidents are common; and really bad presidents have a disproportionate influence, because they tend to be unaware of the harm that can accrue as a result of actually doing things. Good governments, as Sir Humphrey Appleby would no doubt agree, are governments that resist calls for change.
 
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/05/08/keith-alexander-unplugged-bushobama-matters/

I would say this depressed me, but this is already how I view the Obama administration: a continuation of the Bush administration.

I've been saying it over and over again on this site but I still get huge arguments from liberals who still insist on apologizing for Obama. Bush lied about foreign policy. He promised no nation building and a foreign policy in which we minded our own business and didn't get involved in overseas entanglements. He didn't deliver, but at least he had the excuse of "9/11 changed everything."[...]

You have got to be kidding me.

We've been doing nothing but complain about Obama's various Bush-like policies ever since he set foot in office, and you're still trying to stick to the FOX News line about liberals refusing to criticize Obama? For crying out loud, the article is written by a prominent liberal op-ed writer.

Whenever I criticize Obama I get a lot of flack from liberals, and it doesn't much matter what I criticize him for. Civil liberties? Liberals defend him. Foreign policy? Liberals defend him. Flooding the Wall Street banks with money? The liberals defend him. They simply won't accept that Obama is a crony capitalist, authoritarian, war monger.
 
Of course US security and foreign policy doesn't change from president to president. The president is allowed to tweak a few things around the edges, but the core policies have been developed by the Depts of State and Defense over decades, and they are not about to let some guy who is only around for a maximum of 8 years dictate how things should be done.

Haven't you ever seen 'Yes, Minister', and its sequel, 'Yes, Prime Minister'? The government is not about to let a bunch of mere politicians tell them how to run the country. I have no doubt that this is just as true in the USA today as it was In the UK a few decades ago. By the time a president has had time to even begin to influence policy in a really large government department, he is out of office, and his successor is trying to undo the things he hasn't yet had time to get done.

A good president can be a powerful positive influence; but government has a lot of inertia, and any positive (or negative) policy changes during a presidential term in office is as likely to be despite the president's best efforts as they are to be caused by them.

It takes a string of good presidents to influence policy for the better; and it takes a string of bad presidents to influence policy for the worse. Sadly, runs of good presidents are rare, while runs of mediocre and positively bad presidents are common; and really bad presidents have a disproportionate influence, because they tend to be unaware of the harm that can accrue as a result of actually doing things. Good governments, as Sir Humphrey Appleby would no doubt agree, are governments that resist calls for change.

In the broader sweep of things this is certainly true. A candidate like Ron Paul, advocating that we get out of NATO, simply isn't going to get elected. It doesn't matter that the proposal might be perfectly reasonable since NATO's purpose has been fulfilled.

But Clinton, Bush, and Obama have continued policies that they actually promised to end. Obama promised to get out of Iraq within 16 months. In fact, we stayed for the entire timetable that the Bush administration had negotiated. Bush said he would not engage in nation-building. (And remember that Gore had specifically endorsed nation-building during the campaign).

In fact, the public put the Democrats in power in 2006 to get us out of Iraq. Then they elected Obama to get us out, and when he didn't they gave Republicans control of Congress. And the public only re-elected Obama in 2012 because the Republicans nominated a Mormon and the evangelicals stayed home.

The public has wanted us out of Iraq and Afghanistan for a long time.

So yes, continuity in long-term policy is to be expected and is probably wise the majority of the time. But long term is NATO. It's alliances with Japan, Taiwan, and South Korea. It's the Rio Pact. Long term shifts are rare and the public usually ready for them when they occur (As, for example, Nixon's trip to China).

But we're talking about short-term policies here for the most part. It took about three years of the public to tire of the Vietnam War. Iraq was even less supported. We never thought we'd be in Afghanistan for 14 years when that war started.

Our relationship with Russia has been terrible, and that seems to have started under Clinton so it would take a Nixon-like figure to turn that around. That's a long term thing and there's no public pressure to change it (although I wish there were). Likewise with Iran. It takes a long time to overcome old animosities and public stereotypes.

But that isn't the policies I'm talking about here. I'm talking about policies that have generally been rejected by the successors until they get into office. The failure of sanctions against Saddam begged for a change in policy there, but toward a normalization with Iraq not an escalation.

The Israel-Palestine dispute begs for our benign neglect. Nobody has been able to make any headway there despite all of our efforts to force a negotiation. We should quit trying. Both sides have motivation to end it, but we can't force the issue.

In fact, nearly all of our interventions since the Cold War ended have turned to shit if they didn't turn out badly from the very beginning.

The second Lebanon War was a huge blunder. Libya has produced nothing beneficial for us. Iraq is descending into civil war. We turned an island of stability (if a rather authoritarian one) into a long-term trouble spot. Syria will also take a long time to return to stability after out intervention. These are short-term policies, but each president keeps repeating them only in a different place.
 
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/05/08/keith-alexander-unplugged-bushobama-matters/

I would say this depressed me, but this is already how I view the Obama administration: a continuation of the Bush administration.

I've been saying it over and over again on this site but I still get huge arguments from liberals who still insist on apologizing for Obama.
You seem to mistake correcting over inane assertions of Obama with being an Obama apologist.
Bush lied about foreign policy. He promised no nation building and a foreign policy in which we minded our own business and didn't get involved in overseas entanglements. He didn't deliver, but at least he had the excuse of "9/11 changed everything."
So 9/11 ceased existing after 2008?

But Obama has been worse, at least in the truthfulness category. He not only has gotten us involved in even more foreign entanglements...,
More entanglements than sending tens to hundreds of thousands of troops into two countries, leaving a critical ABM Treaty, pissing off Europe twice, getting cozy with Syria behind closed doors so we could torture terror suspects there?
...he has actively supported, and even insisted upon, more civil liberties violations that the Bush Administration did.
That is unknown and unlikely true. We know, at least think we know, all the unconstitutional stuff Obama is guilty of (Snowden). We may not have everything from W and we know that the W Admin advocated torture-lite.

Meanwhile, on domestic policy, he has literally shoved trillions of dollars to the Wall Street banks through the Federal Reserve while also bailing out other domestic corporations. And liberals might look at Obamacare as some kind of earth-shaking change, it is hardly liberal. It isn't single-payer, as most liberals wanted, and it doesn't even include a public option which many liberals favored. What it does do is force many more people to buy insurance and many to buy insurance they don't need which greatly benefits the health insurance industry. And if all of this fails to force the necessary additional business to make it profitable to the insurance industry, the taxpayer gets to pick up the difference!
Dude, stay on-topic.

Obama is a complete dud on national security issues and civil liberties, but he's really pretty much a dud on domestic policy as well.
How is he a dud on National Security? bin Laden is dead. No attacks in the US.

Frankly, I didn't expect much from the Obama Administration, but he has still been a big disappointment because I thought that at least he would be a good liberal, but he hasn't even been that. He's just been a sell-out to special interests wherever he can find them.
Welcome to the party pal. How do you think liberals actually feel? We have to vote for these guys because the alternative is increasingly becoming unacceptable.
 
Guys, Bill has won me over. Ted Cruz would be much better.
 
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