Cop Indicted For Murder

[ksen]

sometimes it's better to leave things to the professionals

 

[laughing dog]

You were not present as a witness. You admitted that you could not see everything in the video. And you are asserting that this police officer is not smart or alert enough or clever enough to tell a story that would but him in the clear.

Those 3 elements allow me to know that you are making stuff up to construct yet another bullshit defense for a police officer killing an unarmed black man.

The car was on and in gear as given by the fact that it moved--this could only happen if the driver was going to rabbit.

You need to explain why this is relevant to the issue of the police officer's shooting this fellow in the head.

 

[atrib]

The car was on and in gear as given by the fact that it moved--this could only happen if the driver was going to rabbit.

You need to explain why this is relevant to the issue of the police officer's shooting this fellow in the head.

This has been explained to you already. It was the black guy's fault. Even if he wasn't armed and did not pose an immediate threat to the police officer or to anyone else. He tried to run away, which clearly makes him guilty and deserving of summary execution. Why waste the taxpayers' time and money with due process when he so obviously deserved to die? Why can't you people just accept that and move on?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The car was on and in gear as given by the fact that it moved--this could only happen if the driver was going to rabbit.

You need to explain why this is relevant to the issue of the police officer's shooting this fellow in the head.

It shows the guy was committing a more serious crime.

 

[laughing dog]

You need to explain why this is relevant to the issue of the police officer's shooting this fellow in the head.

It shows the guy was committing a more serious crime.

I repeat - You need to explain why this is relevant to the issue of the police officer's shooting this fellow in the head.

 

[Toni]

You need to explain why this is relevant to the issue of the police officer's shooting this fellow in the head.

It shows the guy was committing a more serious crime.

What 'crime' was he committing, to be stopped by the police officer?

According to the article linked, he was stopped because of a missing front license plate. This is not a crime. The state of Ohio wants people to notify the police department if a plate is missing. I repeat: this is not a crime.

If the officer was aware that the driver was driving with a suspended license, it is still at most, a misdemeanor. Not a capitol crime.

Driving with a suspended license in OH carries the following penalties:

Criminal Charges for Driving on a Suspended or Revoked License

You may be charged with a first-degree misdemeanor if you drive while your license is suspended or revoked. (Ohio Rev. Code § 4510.11.) The maximum sentence for a first-degree misdemeanor may involve:

180 days in jail, and
a maximum $1,000 fine. (Ohio Rev. Code § 4510.11, § 2929.28(A)(2).)

If your license was suspended because you failed to provide financial responsibility for your vehicle or for nonpayment of a judgment, you may be charged with an unclassified misdemeanor for the first offense. (Ohio Rev. Code § 4510.16(D).) The sentence may not involve jail time, but you may be ordered to complete community service and pay a fine up to $1,000. (Ohio Rev. Code § 4510.16(D).)

If convicted, your license may be suspended for an extended period of time. (Ohio Rev. Code § 4510.11(D).) In some circumstances, your vehicle may be immobilized or your license plates impounded. (Ohio Rev. Code § 4510.11(D).) If you have three or more prior convictions within three years, your vehicle may be forfeited. (Ohio Rev. Code § 510.11(D)(2)(c).)

 

[abaddon]

You’re just much too ignorant about what’s on that video, even if you did watch it. Dubose's hand was resting on top the steering wheel just as it had been whenever he wasn't fishing around for things, and he was looking out across the street as usual whenever he wasn't fishing around for things, and then he moved to turn the ignition only after he was suddenly surprised by the door getting opened. Since the idiot pig did it while Dubose was looking away, the idiot pig startled the man. Dubose made a mistake trying to run, no doubt. But the idiot pig escalated the situation and then killed the man for no good reason because he's an idiot pig.

You're blaming the cop for the stupidity of the dead guy.

The cop going for the door showed the guy that he wasn't going to talk his way out of it, he switched to running. The cop went for the keys--if he somehow got caught while doing that it's a justified shoot. It doesn't matter that the guy didn't intend to harm the cop.

No, I’m really not. I’m saying the officer should have handled it better. Don't you think the officer should have handled things better?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

It shows the guy was committing a more serious crime.

What 'crime' was he committing, to be stopped by the police officer?

According to the article linked, he was stopped because of a missing front license plate. This is not a crime. The state of Ohio wants people to notify the police department if a plate is missing. I repeat: this is not a crime.

If the officer was aware that the driver was driving with a suspended license, it is still at most, a misdemeanor. Not a capitol crime.

Driving with a suspended license in OH carries the following penalties:

Criminal Charges for Driving on a Suspended or Revoked License

You may be charged with a first-degree misdemeanor if you drive while your license is suspended or revoked. (Ohio Rev. Code § 4510.11.) The maximum sentence for a first-degree misdemeanor may involve:

180 days in jail, and
a maximum $1,000 fine. (Ohio Rev. Code § 4510.11, § 2929.28(A)(2).)

If your license was suspended because you failed to provide financial responsibility for your vehicle or for nonpayment of a judgment, you may be charged with an unclassified misdemeanor for the first offense. (Ohio Rev. Code § 4510.16(D).) The sentence may not involve jail time, but you may be ordered to complete community service and pay a fine up to $1,000. (Ohio Rev. Code § 4510.16(D).)

If convicted, your license may be suspended for an extended period of time. (Ohio Rev. Code § 4510.11(D).) In some circumstances, your vehicle may be immobilized or your license plates impounded. (Ohio Rev. Code § 4510.11(D).) If you have three or more prior convictions within three years, your vehicle may be forfeited. (Ohio Rev. Code § 510.11(D)(2)(c).)

He was rabbiting. That's resisting arrest.

And nobody has said that it's a capital crime. What you're missing is that it was his rabbiting that put the officer in danger.

 

[Derec]

What 'crime' was he committing, to be stopped by the police officer?
According to the article linked, he was stopped because of a missing front license plate. This is not a crime.

It still makes you subject to being stopped by the police.

The state of Ohio wants people to notify the police department if a plate is missing. I repeat: this is not a crime.

Are you trying to say that police are not supposed to stop people for licence plate violations? Or what is your point?

If the officer was aware that the driver was driving with a suspended license, it is still at most, a misdemeanor.

And if anybody should know about it would be DuBose. So why didn't he surrender and let himself be arrested for it? Had he done that, he'd be alive. In jail for 6 months, but alive.

Not a capitol crime.

*capital. And we have talked about this already.
1. Of course it is not a capital crime. Something being a capital crime is not a necessary condition for a police shooting to be justified.
2. He wasn't shot merely for having a suspended driver's licence. Not even for trying to bribe the officer with a bottle of gin. The shooting only occurred when DuBose prevented the officer from opening the door and started to drive off. Details are blurry of course because of the shaking of the body cam (which means the officer's body was moving around vigorously immediately before the shooting)

Still doesn't mean it was justified of course, but neither is the claim true that DuBose "did nothing wrong".
Also, and I have to emphasize this
Capital Crimes have nothing to do with whether a police (or civilian for that matter) shooting is a justifiable homicide or not!!!

 

[laughing dog]

What you're missing is that it was his rabbiting that put the officer in danger.

No one is missing that because you pulled that excuse right out of your ass.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

What 'crime' was he committing, to be stopped by the police officer?

According to the article linked, he was stopped because of a missing front license plate. This is not a crime. The state of Ohio wants people to notify the police department if a plate is missing. I repeat: this is not a crime.

If the officer was aware that the driver was driving with a suspended license, it is still at most, a misdemeanor. Not a capitol crime.

Driving with a suspended license in OH carries the following penalties:

Criminal Charges for Driving on a Suspended or Revoked License

You may be charged with a first-degree misdemeanor if you drive while your license is suspended or revoked. (Ohio Rev. Code § 4510.11.) The maximum sentence for a first-degree misdemeanor may involve:

180 days in jail, and
a maximum $1,000 fine. (Ohio Rev. Code § 4510.11, § 2929.28(A)(2).)

If your license was suspended because you failed to provide financial responsibility for your vehicle or for nonpayment of a judgment, you may be charged with an unclassified misdemeanor for the first offense. (Ohio Rev. Code § 4510.16(D).) The sentence may not involve jail time, but you may be ordered to complete community service and pay a fine up to $1,000. (Ohio Rev. Code § 4510.16(D).)

If convicted, your license may be suspended for an extended period of time. (Ohio Rev. Code § 4510.11(D).) In some circumstances, your vehicle may be immobilized or your license plates impounded. (Ohio Rev. Code § 4510.11(D).) If you have three or more prior convictions within three years, your vehicle may be forfeited. (Ohio Rev. Code § 510.11(D)(2)(c).)

He was rabbiting. That's resisting arrest.

And nobody has said that it's a capital crime. What you're missing is that it was his rabbiting that put the officer in danger.

The prosecutor disagrees. Hence the indictment.

 

[arkirk]

It still makes you subject to being stopped by the police.

The state of Ohio wants people to notify the police department if a plate is missing. I repeat: this is not a crime.

Are you trying to say that police are not supposed to stop people for licence plate violations? Or what is your point?

If the officer was aware that the driver was driving with a suspended license, it is still at most, a misdemeanor.

And if anybody should know about it would be DuBose. So why didn't he surrender and let himself be arrested for it? Had he done that, he'd be alive. In jail for 6 months, but alive.

Not a capitol crime.

*capital. And we have talked about this already.
1. Of course it is not a capital crime. Something being a capital crime is not a necessary condition for a police shooting to be justified.
2. He wasn't shot merely for having a suspended driver's licence. Not even for trying to bribe the officer with a bottle of gin. The shooting only occurred when DuBose prevented the officer from opening the door and started to drive off. Details are blurry of course because of the shaking of the body cam (which means the officer's body was moving around vigorously immediately before the shooting)

Still doesn't mean it was justified of course, but neither is the claim true that DuBose "did nothing wrong".
Also, and I have to emphasize this
Capital Crimes have nothing to do with whether a police (or civilian for that matter) shooting is a justifiable homicide or not!!!

Here you are again shuffling and trying to justify one human being murdering another. You have lost track of the fact that this is becoming habitual police behavior in America. I heard the prosecutor on TV last night saying that this guy's actions were "about the most asinine actions" he could conceive a cop doing.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The prosecutor disagrees. Hence the indictment.

High profile cases tend to produce DAs who are more interested in getting votes than justice.

 

[ZiprHead]

The prosecutor disagrees. Hence the indictment.

High profile cases tend to produce DAs who are more interested in getting votes than justice.

It wasn't high profile until he brought the indictment.

 

[atrib]

The prosecutor disagrees. Hence the indictment.

High profile cases tend to produce DAs who are more interested in getting votes than justice.

For fucks sake, the officer shot an unarmed man in the head at nearly point blank range and killed him because the man got spooked by the officer's moves and may have tried to drive off. The officer's actions appear to be outrageous and indefensible to most people who have watched the incident on video, but apparently not to a select handful of individuals like you and Derec who believe police officers should be above the law.

 

[atrib]

Capital Crimes have nothing to do with whether a police (or civilian for that matter) shooting is a justifiable homicide or not!!!

This particular shooting was not justifiable by any stretch of the imagination. The officer shot and killed an unarmed man because he may have tried to drive away from a traffic stop. It is murder.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

High profile cases tend to produce DAs who are more interested in getting votes than justice.

It wasn't high profile until he brought the indictment.

Beat me to it. Yes, it's the indictment and the police department's choice to release his bodycam video that brought this case to the attention of the media. On the one hand, trying to cover it up would be risking a huge shitstorm if it somehow leaked on its own; on the other hand, a district attorney knows a reckless homicide when he sees one.

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High profile cases tend to produce DAs who are more interested in getting votes than justice.

For fucks sake, the officer shot an unarmed man in the head at nearly point blank range and killed him because the man got spooked by the officer's moves and may have tried to drive off. The officer's actions appear to be outrageous and indefensible to most people who have watched the incident on video, but apparently not to a select handful of individuals like you and Derec who believe police officers should be above the law.

LP and Derec belief that the murder of a black person can ALWAYS be justified if you just dig deep enough. Either because said black person was a scumbag anyway, or because the police officer has a justification that isn't clear from the evidence.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

High profile cases tend to produce DAs who are more interested in getting votes than justice.

For fucks sake, the officer shot an unarmed man in the head at nearly point blank range and killed him because the man got spooked by the officer's moves and may have tried to drive off. The officer's actions appear to be outrageous and indefensible to most people who have watched the incident on video, but apparently not to a select handful of individuals like you and Derec who believe police officers should be above the law.

Something has been found in the pictures--after the cop took that tumble when he got back up he was about 30' down the road from where things started. The only way that could have happened is if he actually was being dragged. Dragging is a potentially lethal threat, this was a justified shoot.

http://legalinsurrection.com/2015/07/sam-dubose-shooting-lets-go-to-the-video-tape/

And he was not "unarmed". He was most certainly armed--with a car.

 

[laughing dog]

Something has been found in the pictures--after the cop took that tumble when he got back up he was about 30' down the road from where things started.

That is an incomplete analysis - as your link admits.

The only way that could have happened is if he actually was being dragged.

Bullshit.

Dragging is a potentially lethal threat, this was a justified shoot.

Bullshit squared. If he could fire at a fleeing suspect, he was in no danger.

http://legalinsurrection.com/2015/07/sam-dubose-shooting-lets-go-to-the-video-tape/

And he was not "unarmed". He was most certainly armed--with a car.

Bullshit cubed. From your own link:

One difficulty for Tensing’s narrative of innocence–that when he fired the shot he was in fear of imminent death or great bodily harm–is that the video does not appear to show the car moving until the shot has already been fired.

 

[atrib]

For fucks sake, the officer shot an unarmed man in the head at nearly point blank range and killed him because the man got spooked by the officer's moves and may have tried to drive off. The officer's actions appear to be outrageous and indefensible to most people who have watched the incident on video, but apparently not to a select handful of individuals like you and Derec who believe police officers should be above the law.

Something has been found in the pictures--after the cop took that tumble when he got back up he was about 30' down the road from where things started. The only way that could have happened is if he actually was being dragged. Dragging is a potentially lethal threat, this was a justified shoot.

http://legalinsurrection.com/2015/07/sam-dubose-shooting-lets-go-to-the-video-tape/

And he was not "unarmed". He was most certainly armed--with a car.

You are just making up shit. The officer was able to fire his weapon and get a headshot while being dragged by a car? Really??? Is this a freaking video game?