The college rape kangaroo courts

[Loren Pechtel]

http://lgbtv.co.uk/2015/09/12/jared-polis-stirs-controversy-with-remarks-on-sexual-assault/

Oops, a congresscritter admitted the driving force. It's better to punish several innocents than let one guilty escape.

 

[Derec]

Scary. Now not even the "preponderance of evidence" is weak enough for the rape hysteria crowd.

“It certainly seems reasonable that a school for its own purposes might want to use a preponderance of evidence standard, or even a lower standard, perhaps a likelihood standard. … If I was running a [college] I might say, well, even if there is only a 20 or 30 percent chance that it happened, I would want to remove this individual.”

He thinks even a 20% chance that a rape took place should be enough to expel male students. I.e. guilty until proven innocent. The end game of radical feminism. What's scary is that this idiot was on Colorado Board of Education before moving to Congress. Also, his district is way too lefty to ever vote him out.

 

[laughing dog]

http://lgbtv.co.uk/2015/09/12/jared-polis-stirs-controversy-with-remarks-on-sexual-assault/

Oops, a congresscritter admitted the driving force. It's better to punish several innocents than let one guilty escape.

Mr. Polis divulged his opinion on the matters. Which means he revealed his thought process or his "driving force". Unless someone believes Mr. Polis rules the world, his "driving force" need not be "the driving force". The lack of reason driving the rape hysteria crowd is truly frightening.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Scary. Now not even the "preponderance of evidence" is weak enough for the rape hysteria crowd.

“It certainly seems reasonable that a school for its own purposes might want to use a preponderance of evidence standard, or even a lower standard, perhaps a likelihood standard. … If I was running a [college] I might say, well, even if there is only a 20 or 30 percent chance that it happened, I would want to remove this individual.”

He thinks even a 20% chance that a rape took place should be enough to expel male students. I.e. guilty until proven innocent. The end game of radical feminism. What's scary is that this idiot was on Colorado Board of Education before moving to Congress. Also, his district is way too lefty to ever vote him out.

Granted, those in the Women lie all the time about rape crowd, there is almost no acceptable standard of evidence.

 

[RavenSky]

http://lgbtv.co.uk/2015/09/12/jared-polis-stirs-controversy-with-remarks-on-sexual-assault/

Oops, a congresscritter admitted the driving force. It's better to punish several innocents than let one guilty escape.

*WHOOSH*

That was the very point of the article flying straight over Loren's head (as usual)

There is no "court" - kangaroo or otherwise - that is or should be involved in the decision to keep a student on campus.

I will agree with the "libertarian-leaning scholar" University of California, Los Angeles, law professor Eugene Volokh on one point though:

“And that’s especially so when the policy is defended on the grounds that the students will just go to another university,” Volokh continued. “The innocent expelled students would have their education badly disrupted and delayed. But the guilty students would, by hypothesis, just be at another university, where they’ll be able to attack their classmates (just a different set of classmates).”

 

[Valjean]

What other university is going to accept a student expelled on suspicion of rape?

 

[RavenSky]

What other university is going to accept a student expelled on suspicion of rape?

From the article:

“If a university were to implement a ‘reasonable likelihood’ standard, it is important that they give the student the ability to withdraw so that their record isn’t tainted, nor should a mere reasonable likelihood standard hurt their prospects elsewhere.”

 

[Loren Pechtel]

*WHOOSH*

That was the very point of the article flying straight over Loren's head (as usual)

There is no "court" - kangaroo or otherwise - that is or should be involved in the decision to keep a student on campus.

I will agree with the "libertarian-leaning scholar" University of California, Los Angeles, law professor Eugene Volokh on one point though:

“And that’s especially so when the policy is defended on the grounds that the students will just go to another university,” Volokh continued. “The innocent expelled students would have their education badly disrupted and delayed. But the guilty students would, by hypothesis, just be at another university, where they’ll be able to attack their classmates (just a different set of classmates).”

Waddles and quacks, it's a court.

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From the article:

“If a university were to implement a ‘reasonable likelihood’ standard, it is important that they give the student the ability to withdraw so that their record isn’t tainted, nor should a mere reasonable likelihood standard hurt their prospects elsewhere.”

This guy is a loon, why do you trust him when he says something you want to hear?

 

[RavenSky]

*WHOOSH*

That was the very point of the article flying straight over Loren's head (as usual)

There is no "court" - kangaroo or otherwise - that is or should be involved in the decision to keep a student on campus.

I will agree with the "libertarian-leaning scholar" University of California, Los Angeles, law professor Eugene Volokh on one point though:

Waddles and quacks, it's a court.

you are wrong. The only courts a university has is of the sports variety... possibly a 'mock court' if they have a law school.

From the article:

“If a university were to implement a ‘reasonable likelihood’ standard, it is important that they give the student the ability to withdraw so that their record isn’t tainted, nor should a mere reasonable likelihood standard hurt their prospects elsewhere.”

This guy is a loon, why do you trust him when he says something you want to hear?

Who said I "trust him" or that I agree with anything he said? I don't know a damn thing about him beyond the article linked in the OP. Your blind assumptions are making you look very foolish.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Waddles and quacks, it's a court.

you are wrong. The only courts a university has is of the sports variety... possibly a 'mock court' if they have a law school.

You missed the point. I'm saying it acts like a court, it's a court.

From the article:

“If a university were to implement a ‘reasonable likelihood’ standard, it is important that they give the student the ability to withdraw so that their record isn’t tainted, nor should a mere reasonable likelihood standard hurt their prospects elsewhere.”

This guy is a loon, why do you trust him when he says something you want to hear?

Who said I "trust him" or that I agree with anything he said? I don't know a damn thing about him beyond the article linked in the OP. Your blind assumptions are making you look very foolish.

And you think somehow his record wouldn't be tainted in the age of Google??? My problem here is that he admits he's after expulsion despite the low probability of guilt and you seem to support him.

 

[laughing dog]

You missed the point. I'm saying it acts like a court, it's a court.

Saying it doesn't make it true.

 

[RavenSky]

you are wrong. The only courts a university has is of the sports variety... possibly a 'mock court' if they have a law school.

You missed the point. I'm saying it acts like a court, it's a court.

please provide evidence that the university has the authority to put a student in prison for sexual assault (or plagiarism or theft or anything else)

From the article:

“If a university were to implement a ‘reasonable likelihood’ standard, it is important that they give the student the ability to withdraw so that their record isn’t tainted, nor should a mere reasonable likelihood standard hurt their prospects elsewhere.”

This guy is a loon, why do you trust him when he says something you want to hear?

Who said I "trust him" or that I agree with anything he said? I don't know a damn thing about him beyond the article linked in the OP. Your blind assumptions are making you look very foolish.

And you think somehow his record wouldn't be tainted in the age of Google??? My problem here is that he admits he's after expulsion despite the low probability of guilt and you seem to support him.

And my problem here continues to be that you make unsubstantiated assumptions about what/who I do or do not support. If you are having a reading comprehension failure, try asking me instead of attributing bullshit to me. TYVM

 

[Derec]

From the article:

“If a university were to implement a ‘reasonable likelihood’ standard, it is important that they give the student the ability to withdraw so that their record isn’t tainted, nor should a mere reasonable likelihood standard hurt their prospects elsewhere.”

Why should a likely innocent male student be forced to withdraw just because an unsubstantiated allegation has been made?

 

[Derec]

Granted, those in the Women lie all the time about rape crowd, there is almost no acceptable standard of evidence.

There is. "Clear and convincing proof" would be a good standard for colleges. That is the standard colleges use to adjudicate non-sexual cases. It also, unlike "preponderance of evidence" preserves the principle of "in dubio pro reo" (when in doubt, for the accused) without being as strict as "beyond a reasonable doubt".

You got it wrong. It's the exact opposite: for the "women don't lie about rape" crowd, no standard is too low, as Jared Polis showed.

 

[Derec]

Mr. Polis divulged his opinion on the matters. Which means he revealed his thought process or his "driving force". Unless someone believes Mr. Polis rules the world, his "driving force" need not be "the driving force".

He is a congressman, not some random nut off the street. And he is hardly alone, even if he is more explicit about it. But take Senator Kirsten Gillebrand. She championed the Mattress Girl even though she failed even the "preponderance of evidence" standard which shows that she believes a woman even if it is less likely than not that she was actually raped. Of course the Mattress Girl's claim fell apart completely after her messages to the falsely accused ('you don't miss my lopsided ass?' etc.) were made public.

The lack of reason driving the rape hysteria crowd is truly frightening.

You are right as written, but of course you are mistaken as to who the "rape hysteria crowd" are.

 

[RavenSky]

From the article:

Why should a likely innocent male student be forced to withdraw just because an unsubstantiated allegation has been made?

s/he shouldn't

 

[Derec]

Why should a likely innocent male student be forced to withdraw just because an unsubstantiated allegation has been made?

s/he shouldn't

"She" is cute. Has there even been one female student expelled under the Obama-Biden decree? Even when both parties are drinking of fail to solicit "affirmative consent" it is invariably the male student who is declared the "rapist" and the female student who is declared the "victim".

 

[RavenSky]

s/he shouldn't

"She" is cute. Has there even been one female student expelled under the Obama-Biden decree? Even when both parties are drinking of fail to solicit "affirmative consent" it is invariably the male student who is declared the "rapist" and the female student who is declared the "victim".

I didn't say "she". I said "s/he" - meaning male or female should not be expelled on the mere suspicion of wrong-doing.

Are you yet again trying to pick a fight when someone is basically agreeing with you?

 

[Derec]

I didn't say "she". I said "s/he" - meaning male or female should not be expelled on the mere suspicion of wrong-doing.

You are including females here in a trasnaprent attempt to pretend that there is no gender discrimination going on with these cases. Females are simply not in danger of being expelled under these policies. Even if their male sexual partners are black-out drunk it is the males who are getting expelled, like at Amherst.

Are you yet again trying to pick a fight when someone is basically agreeing with you?

Why is it so hard to acknowledge the sexist discrimination when it comes to overreaction to campus rape?

 

[laughing dog]

He is a congressman, not some random nut off the street.

Someone can be both.

And he is hardly alone, even if he is more explicit about it. But take Senator Kirsten Gillebrand. She championed the Mattress Girl even though she failed even the "preponderance of evidence" standard which shows that she believes a woman even if it is less likely than not that she was actually raped. Of course the Mattress Girl's claim fell apart completely after her messages to the falsely accused ('you don't miss my lopsided ass?' etc.) were made public.

What ?

You are right as written, but of course you are mistaken as to who the "rape hysteria crowd" are.

Nope.